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[Pehesse]

I took the first one (DIRAR). Thank you!

Awesome! Enjoy :-D

EDIT: Oops, top of the page, sorry. I'll repost the keys here then for convenience, in
email tags again!

EDIT2: Thanks a lot, Toma :-D Hope you'll enjoy what you play, though either way, I'd love to hear your thoughts!

EDIT3: Noted, and updated! As above, thanks a ton, and I hope you'll like what you play, One Foul Note!

Last edit: and all keys are now activated! Thank you all for your interested, looking forward to hearing about your experiences!

 

[Toma]

Awesome! Enjoy :-D

EDIT: Oops, top of the page, sorry. I'll repost the keys here then for convenience, in email tags again!

Took the second, thanks

 

[Toma]

So there is one particularly heavy week coming soon.

Sep 20

• Batman TellTale: Episode 2
• Cossacks 3
• The Bunker
• Wheels of Aurelia

Sep 21

• Pankapu: Episode 1

Sep 22

• Klang
• Pavilion: Episode 1
• The Uncertain: Episode 1
• Virginia

Oh shit, Cossacks 3? Like in the actual real Cossacks game part 3?

 

[Wok]

Oh shit, Cossacks 3? Like in the actual real Cossacks game part 3?

This one: http://opencritic.com/game/3208/cossacks-3

 

[Toma]

This one: http://opencritic.com/game/3208/cossacks-3

You just created an unhealthy amount of hype.

 

[One Foul Note]

Ah, fantastic! Thank you very much! Yes, those email tags were what I was looking into but I couldn't figure out how to get them working. Thanks to your example, now I can (hopefully), so... here! Quoting this, you'll find keys for the review build of the game, which is really the version that'll be made public on the 30th, except you can play it right now! If you do take one, please tell me so I can update the message (and my own files) :-D

Thanks kindly for the advanced preview. I took the key starting ACJQP.

 

[More_Badass]

Oh shit, Cossacks 3? Like in the actual real Cossacks game part 3?

You just created an unhealthy amount of hype.

Something tells this is some series I should have heard of before. What's makes it so hype-worthy?

 

[Toma]

Something tells this is some series I should have heard of before. What's makes it so hype-worthy?

Nostalgia and a classic building/unit system from old school RTS, that is rather hard to come by lately. I absolutely loved the first games:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/4870/

No clue how part 3 keeps up with modern times or what they changed and if they reevaluated everything that made Cossacks 2 bad, but I really, really want this to be good. Will report back once I got my hands on it.

 

[Wok]

Nostalgia and a classic building/unit system from old school RTS, that is rather hard to come by lately. I absolutely loved the first games:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/4870/

No clue how part 3 keeps up with modern times or what they changed and if they reevaluated everything that made Cossacks 2 bad, but I really, really want this to be good. Will report back once I got my hands on it.

I read it is actually a remake of Cossacks 1.

 

[baconcow]

I don't see Halcyon 6: Starbase Commander listed anywhere in this thread. I just found out about it when Steam advertised it, yesterday, for it's release from Early Access. Seems to be a combination of Xcom base building and squad management, FTL space maps, and Final Fantasy turn-based battles. Was hoping for some impressions, because I'm interested in it. Had a successful Kickstarter (over 400% funded) and Steam user rating of 93%.

 

[Wok]

I don't see Halcyon 6: Starbase Commander listed anywhere in this thread. I just found out about it when Steam advertised it, yesterday, for it's release from Early Access. Seems to be a combination of Xcom base building and squad management, FTL space maps, and Final Fantasy turn-based battles. Was hoping for some impressions, because I'm interested in it. Had a successful Kickstarter (over 400% funded) and Steam user rating of 93%.

I have not had the opportunity to play that one but I have noticed it too as it was in the top sellers on Steam. The game looks good, reviews are all praises, but I could not finish FTL (although I loved it), so I am a bit wary of the difficulty of such a title.

 

[PandaPedinte]

You and me both!! And now, I finally have a date to share, to know just how much time that'll be... September 30th! Uh, sorry, yeah, that's another September game coming out. Hope it won't be too packed (but honestly, October looks like it's going to be much of the same!).

Either way, here's the game's steampage: http://store.steampowered.com/app/523680

No preorders, since the game will use a "pay-what-you-liked" model everywhere, including on Steam (still can't believe they went for it), meaning the game will be entirely free to access and experience, and you'll only support the game *after* playing it, if you so desire, at the value you estimate your experience to be/have been.

It's very similar to pay-what-you-want, except it aims to give players the most choice as to when and why to support the game, and I'm hoping to offer an alternative to the "wait for sales" game, and most other economical discussions surrounding indie game pricing. We'll see if this is a gigantic mistake or not, but the long and short of it is: if you're interested in the game at all, you won't have any reason not to jump in come September 30th!

That's an interesting model, hope it works well for you!

Ah, fantastic! Thank you very much! Yes, those email tags were what I was looking into but I couldn't figure out how to get them working. Thanks to your example, now I can (hopefully), so... here! Quoting this, you'll find keys for the review build of the game, which is really the version that'll be made public on the 30th, except you can play it right now! If you do take one, please tell me so I can update the message (and my own files) :-D

Also to note: the Steam release is currently windows-only, I'm working to get another solution up and running for Mac and Linux users! I also recommend a hefty amount of RAM - 4GB should do the trick, anything more is gravy, but I'm afraid I can't guarantee it'll work with less. Same with the OS - 64bit is recommended, can work with 32bit, but you're better off assuming 64bit's the way to go!

Took the fifth one!

I don't see Halcyon 6: Starbase Commander listed anywhere in this thread. I just found out about it when Steam advertised it, yesterday, for it's release from Early Access. Seems to be a combination of Xcom base building and squad management, FTL space maps, and Final Fantasy turn-based battles. Was hoping for some impressions, because I'm interested in it. Had a successful Kickstarter (over 400% funded) and Steam user rating of 93%.

I was going to post about it. I played it during the early access and absolutely loved it but stopped because I wanted to experience it with all the content there!

I have not had the opportunity to play that one but I have noticed it too as it was in the top sellers on Steam. The game looks good, reviews are all praises, but I could not finish FTL (although I loved it), so I am a bit wary of the difficulty of such a title.

From what I've played during the early access it wasn't as hard as FTL but still the RNG plays a part in the game.

 

[Pehesse]

That's an interesting model, hope it works well for you!



Took the fifth one!

Thanks :-D As for the model, I certainly intend to report the results, whether it goes right or wrong - plenty of factors that could affect it, of course, but I'm hoping it'll be interesting no matter what happens!

 

[More_Badass]

Toma, you checking out Sorcery 4 next week? I recall you enjoying the first game

 

[Toma]

Toma, you checking out Sorcery 4 next week? I recall you enjoying the first game

I also enjoyed the second very much. I think I skipped the third one for no particular reason though, so maybe.

 

[More_Badass]

I also enjoyed the second very much. I think I skipped the third one for no particular reason though, so maybe.

3 is even better. Much bigger scope and scale

 

[Wok]

3 is even better. Much bigger scope and scale

I would have hoped 3 would be discounted shortly before the release of 4.

But no.

 

[More_Badass]

Selling Sunlight - PC, Mac

https://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=55714.0

Take Sunless Sea and the Rune Factory series (plus some Mushishi, Invisible Cities and China Miéville's works). Let them have a steamy night of passion, and then dress their lovechild with Art nouveau. Sprinkle bees everywhere.
Selling Sunlight is a role-playing game about being a traveling merchant in a tidally-locked fantasy world. One half of the sphere is constantly facing the sun, the other one is plunged in deep darkness. You live on the thin line of constant sunset, the only "normal" place in a world slowly falling apart.
It's a game about bartering, meeting different cultures, and trying to always go forward in a world that seems to stand still

A Light In Chorus - PC

http://www.alightinchorus.com/

A first person adventure game about experiencing the world through strange new eyes. Players explore a submerged future Earth via the contents of a crash-landed time capsule, loosely inspired by the Voyager Golden Records.
Using a proprietary engine- allowing an art style entirely made up of particles- players will transform the mysterious remains of Earth into a vibrant, musical landscape, morphing, sucking and swishing the objects into new forms around them.

Ethereal - PC

https://madewith.unity.com/games/ethereal

Ethereal is a particular puzzle game in which the mechanics, the visual style, and the music merge into a different, unique zen experience. The player has to learn to think differently to move around in this abstract world and be able to make his/her way through every level.

Riverbond - 2017 (PC, Consoles)

http://riverbond.com/

Embark on a journey down an enchanted river to explore an ever-shifting landscape, uncover the truth of a collapsing world, and rebuild the passage that once served as the path between life, death and the great beyond.

Foxhole - PC, Mac, Linux, Consoles

http://www.foxholegame.com/

Foxhole is a massively multiplayer game where you will work with hundreds of players to shape the outcome of a persistent online war. This is the ultimate game of collaborative strategy and tactics. Every action you take can have a powerful and permanent effect across a vast world in a constant state of war.

Space Jammers - Free demo (PC, Mac, Linux)

http://spreadshotstudios.com/SpaceJammersGame.html

Top down SHMUP action for 1-4 players. Pirate space ships, planets, or other dimensions in bullet hell stages each with randomized bosses and rules.

Rokh - PC

https://www.rokhthegame.com

ROKH is a futuristic survival game, deeply rooted in scientific and realistic anticipation, where players will have to work together to overcome the numerous threats they will have to face on planet Mars.

Gird Thyself - ????

http://www.girdthyself.com/

Gird Thyself! is a 1-4 player, roguelite dungeon hack-n-slash…with a sense of humor. You were once a valiant warrior, but now you’re retired. Reliving past victories through a stupor of ale at the local tavern. After another routine night, you stumble out the door for home, but wake up robbed, stripped, and left for dead in a hole in the ground….this is where your adventure begins.

The Matter King - Late 2016

http://www.auragames.co.uk/Games/TheMatterKing

The Matter King is a science fiction platformer which focuses on an epic storyline, death as a game mechanic, and a thrilling atmosphere through the use of dynamic sprite lighting and music

Biota - ????

http://fiddle-earth.com/projects/

A game that combines the science of natural selection in evolutionary biology with oceanographic processes such as plate tectonics and continental drift. As the player, you will get to be in the pilot’s seat of a fun simulator with a focus on local ecology as well as global ecosystem dynamics. Watch the species on your planet evolve realistically through an indirect influence that favors real science within the framework of engaging gameplay mechanics.

Previously Mentioned

Abandon Ship

Jazon and the Dead

No Place For Bravery

Nykra

Rigid Force Alpha

 

[Maximo]

Too many indies can't keep up.

 

[Toma]

Too many indies can't keep up.

Check the recommendations in the voting list beginning of each thread (month). Thats usually the most interesting stuff distilled in a 6-7 games list.

Other than that... yeah, this years september stuff is bonkers.

 

[Toma]

I read it is actually a remake of Cossacks 1.

I'll so take that. Though its kinda weird to call it Cossacks 3 then, but we'll see.

 

[malingenie]

I don't see Halcyon 6: Starbase Commander listed anywhere in this thread. I just found out about it when Steam advertised it, yesterday, for it's release from Early Access. Seems to be a combination of Xcom base building and squad management, FTL space maps, and Final Fantasy turn-based battles. Was hoping for some impressions, because I'm interested in it. Had a successful Kickstarter (over 400% funded) and Steam user rating of 93%.

This game came out of nowhere and it's awesome! The first few hours have been a total delight.

 

[Nomadic Sparks]

For Baddie:

http://www.seraph-game.com/

I did a thread about this game yesterday.

Who is developing it?

 

[More_Badass]

For Baddie:

http://www.seraph-game.com/

I did a thread about this game yesterday.

Who is developing it?

Dreadbit
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=Dreadbit

 

[MUnited83]

Recommendation : Unbox [PC] - 12.79$ on Steam

Only played it for a couple of hours, but I already really like it. It's a 3D platformer that takes inspiration from N64-style collectathons. Some big and really detailed worlds with lots to do, and it all controls quite well.

 

[More_Badass]

Recommendation : Unbox [PC] - 12.79$ on Steam

Only played it for a couple of hours, but I already really like it. It's a 3D platformer that takes inspiration from N64-style collectathons. Some big and really detailed worlds with lots to do, and it all controls quite well.

That's on my wishlist. I probably would have bought it already if Clustertruck and Event weren't coming out this month

 

[mantrakid]

Just wanted to drop a quick thanks for shouting out Slayaway Camp Its a game I've been working on for the past year and a half with Ido Yehieli, creator of Cardinal Quest, and also Jessi Ross, who did a tonne of art and community help for me on Cosmochoria. Jessi and I have been doing the art for Slayaway Camp and are super proud of how its coming together. We have it for free on Kongregate right now so we can get feedback from players, find out what puzzles need tweaking etc. But we're working on a premium steam version as well, which should have all the fun at a one-time cost, no ads, etc.

Huge love my homies!

 

[wanderingprostheyltite]

^^Just finished the first section of levels and loving it so far, your audio peeps did a bang up job capturing those 80s horror themes. Perfect lead-in to Fall and Halloween!

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Just wanted to drop a quick thanks for shouting out Slayaway Camp Its a game I've been working on for the past year and a half with Ido Yehieli, creator of Cardinal Quest, and also Jessi Ross, who did a tonne of art and community help for me on Cosmochoria. Jessi and I have been doing the art for Slayaway Camp and are super proud of how its coming together. We have it for free on Kongregate right now so we can get feedback from players, find out what puzzles need tweaking etc. But we're working on a premium steam version as well, which should have all the fun at a one-time cost, no ads, etc.

Huge love my homies!

Yeah, from what I've played the game is really intuitive and addictive and I'm really enjoying it. Love the 80's style of the game.

If anyone wants a direct link to check it out you can find it here: http://www.kongregate.com/games/bluewizardgames/slayaway-camp

 

[swarley64]

Recommendation : Unbox [PC] -

Only played it for a couple of hours, but I already really like it. It's a 3D platformer that takes inspiration from N64-style collectathons. Some big and really detailed worlds with lots to do, and it all controls quite well.

Holy crap, this looks awesome.

 

[PandaPedinte]

I played Honey Rose for nearly one hour yesterday and I must say the developers nailed the game's presentation. So far it has been incredible I wasn't expecting to have

Spoiler

my uniform mugged while spending some free time in a park and being beat down by the thieves when I tried to recover it

. The 4th wall breaking is really well done as well the music.

Recommendation : Unbox [PC] - 12.79$ on Steam

Only played it for a couple of hours, but I already really like it. It's a 3D platformer that takes inspiration from N64-style collectathons. Some big and really detailed worlds with lots to do, and it all controls quite well.

I remember this game when it was announced years ago, nice to see it released.

 

[Pehesse]

I played Rumble Rose for nearly one hour yesterday and I must say the developers nailed the game's presentation. So far it has been incredible I wasn't expecting to have

Spoiler

my uniform mugged while spending some free time in a park and being beat down by the thieves when I tried to recover it

. The 4th wall breaking is really well done as well the music.

(I'll admit to nervously F5-ing this thread to see impressions!)

I'm really glad you're enjoying it so far! I hope there'll be more surprises like that if you keep playing - I mean, there *should*, but since most of the game relies on random event rolls... I can't say specifically what will happen in any given playthrough :-D What difficulty mode are you playing on? How are you finding the balance so far?

For info, the composer is Morusque, the same as for Seasons After Fall, which sounds COMPLETELY different - a testament to his versatility!

(Also... "Rumble" Rose - gotta say, didn't hear that one before, but okay, fair enough, it fits - in fact, I'm kind of disappointed I didn't think to make that joke/reference in the game :-D)

I'm playing on what I think is the normal mode and it seems well balanced the game feels responsive and easy to understand the mechanics. Lol I was thinking about not confusing the name with Rumble Rose and ended doing it anyway. xD

Got it, thanks a lot :-D I'll be looking forward to your thoughts as you progress through the game, if you do!

 

[PandaPedinte]

(I'll admit to nervously F5-ing this thread to see impressions!)

I'm really glad you're enjoying it so far! I hope there'll be more surprises like that if you keep playing - I mean, there *should*, but since most of the game relies on random event rolls... I can't say specifically what will happen in any given playthrough :-D What difficulty mode are you playing on? How are you finding the balance so far?

For info, the composer is Morusque, the same as for Seasons After Fall, which sounds COMPLETELY different - a testament to his versatility!

(Also... "Rumble" Rose - gotta say, didn't hear that one before, but okay, fair enough, it fits - in fact, I'm kind of disappointed I didn't think to make that joke/reference in the game :-D)

I'm playing on what I think is the normal mode and it seems well balanced the game feels responsive and easy to understand the mechanics. Lol I was thinking about not confusing the name with Rumble Rose and ended doing it anyway. xD

 

[mantrakid]

Yeah, from what I've played the game is really intuitive and addictive and I'm really enjoying it. Love the 80's style of the game.

If anyone wants a direct link to check it out you can find it here: http://www.kongregate.com/games/bluewizardgames/slayaway-camp

Thx Ryo!!!

 

[Haunted]

That is an incredible amount of free indie games that seem worth checking out.

Fantastic work as usual. OP.

 

[Toma]

That is an incredible amount of free indie games that seem worth checking out.

Fantastic work as usual. OP.

We played Mario Strikers online in a tournament and now you cant even remember my name

Granted... it was like 9 years ago and you had a different name back then, but STILL!


And most of the game search shoutout goes to Baddy, he really does most of the leg work.

 

[More_Badass]

That is an incredible amount of free indie games that seem worth checking out.

Fantastic work as usual. OP.

This month has more than usual because of the Ludum Dare game jam. I try to highlight the more interesting ones I find

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Just about to check out the beta of Slayer Shock which releases later this month.

 

[More_Badass]

This student project is supposed to be a very intense stealth game

Lily: Colors of Santa Luz - Free (PC)

https://isart-digital.itch.io/lily-colors-of-santa-luz

War is near. A dark militia invaded Santa Luz. Confronted to violent humiliations, the inhabitants are losing their colors. Running away form the darkness threatening to swallow the city, Yvan will do everything to prevent his daughter from seeing the horrors and fight for Lily to keep her colors.

 

[drankpiraat]

2D open world platformer/rpg to be released at the end of this month.

Wuppo - PC

http://wuppogame.com/

Enter the wondrous world of Wuppo! Fight numerous enemies, collect countless items, and solve immersive puzzles, all while exploring the detailed history of the world in your quest to find a new home.

After losing its home, one lonely Wum must travel the length and width of the world to find a new place to live. From the metropolitan haven Popocity to the cavernous Bliekopolis, our Wum will discover magical places and encounter unique creatures. But this Wum is no ordinary hero and only by using wit and charm can it succeed in this massive journey.
Wuppo is a two man passion project, with hand-drawn visuals, animations, music, sounds and a huge world to explore.

 

[One Foul Note]

2D open world platformer/rpg to be released at the end of this month.

Wuppo - PC

That looks quite fun. The artstyle reminds me of some of Matt Thorsons early work which were my jam back in the day so I'm getting oddly nostalgic just looking at Wuppo.

 

[More_Badass]

Get excited
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5TbHcK_qvE

SHENZHEN I/O - October 6th

http://www.zachtronics.com/shenzhen-io/

BUILD CIRCUITS. WRITE CODE. RTFM.
Build circuits using a variety of components from different manufacturers, like microcontrollers, memory, logic gates, and LCD screens.
Write code in a compact and powerful assembly language where every instruction can be conditionally executed.

Looks like the lovechild of SpaceChem and TIS-100

 

[Toma]

Get excited
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5TbHcK_qvE

SHENZHEN I/O - October 6th


Looks like the lovechild of SpaceChem and TIS-100

Yes, here, me. Where is my preorder button.

 

[chadskin]

Hoping this makes early 2017 because it was last slated for late 2016.

Jenny LeClue: Detectivu - 2017 (PC, Mac, Linux, PS4, Mobile)

http://jennyleclue.com

Jenny LeClue is a story focused exploration adventure game with memorable characters, a unique aesthetic, and an epic tangled mystery.

 

[Wok]

(I'll admit to nervously F5-ing this thread to see impressions!)

I have only tried it for half an hour so far, and the art is spot on, both music and graphics. I don't know if there will be other fights but the controls felt pretty great and unexpected as I was merely expecting a visual novel!

Also, there is the digital manual and the story about your 3 years spent developing your own game which is super cool!
http://pehesse.fr/honey/access/Honey_DigitalManual.pdf

I am playing with an Xbox360 controller, and the only thing which was a bit surprising is that if I use the (left) analog stick in the menu, it is too sensitive, and it goes like twice in the direction that I want to go. D-Pad works fine though.

For info, the composer is Morusque, the same as for Seasons After Fall, which sounds COMPLETELY different - a testament to his versatility!

That explains a lot! The music is great!

 

[Pehesse]

I have only tried it for half an hour so far, and the art is spot on, both music and graphics. I don't know if there will be other fights but the controls felt pretty great and unexpected as I was merely expecting a visual novel!

I'm glad to hear that!! Thanks a lot :-D Indeed, there'll be other fights... quite a few of them!

Also, there is the digital manual and the story about your 3 years spent developing your own game which is super cool!
http://pehesse.fr/honey/access/Honey_DigitalManual.pdf

Thanks for relinking it here as well! I wasn't sure about the foreword as I didn't want it to read like a begging plea or a sob story, but I wanted to give some honest context to the game existing at all. But even then, that doesn't mean anyone has to like it, or anything :-D It is what it is!

I am playing with an Xbox360 controller, and the only thing which was a bit surprising is that if I use the (left) analog stick in the menu, it is too sensitive, and it goes like twice in the direction that I want to go. D-Pad works fine though.

Oh, dang! I'll admit, I fought with that for very long, and I thought I had reached a decent compromise, but it looks like it's still not enough. I'll go back to look into it some more. Thankfully it should only happen in menus with both X and Y movement?

That explains a lot! The music is great!

Indeed it is! The OST will be made available as soon as the game releases :-D

 

[epmode]

That Two Tribes game, RIVE, is out today: http://store.steampowered.com/app/278100/

This is what they had to say to their mailing list:

It's here, RIVE is out on PlayStation 4 and Steam. It's also the end. Or a new beginning? Probably both!

If you read a bit of confusion in this opening message you're right, this is a confusing time for us at Two Tribes. First let's push the Release Trailer before we elaborate though!

https://youtu.be/VneN_eKTo_c

Direct Download: we.tl/xXVsBEbVuL


The Elaboration
As usual we've been too busy with being late with everything to reflect on what's happened the last few months. We've moved from finalizing the game, to bugfixing, to Sony submissions to Gamescom/PAX Booths and now to the release of what is our last game ever. Now that RIVE releases on PlayStation 4 and Steam today, that time for reflection comes.

This morning, the realization set in that today truly marks the end of an era, and that a lot is riding on the success of RIVE. If it fails, it won't be because we didn't try. RIVE is the best we can do, it's what all of our actions these last years have lead to, to us it's perfect! We hope you enjoy the hell out of our baby!

The last 16 years of working on games, we have gained so much experience, met so many great people (you know who you are!), met the most amazing fans and have had the privilege being in charge of our own destiny. It's been a wonderful ride, with ups and downs as with any great roller coaster. This is it, RIVE is yours now and we can't wait to discover what's next!

RIVE PressKit
Need more info? The PressKit has all you need:

2trib.es/rive_press

I swear they're not paying me. I've just been very impressed with their PC ports lately and I really liked the RIVE demo.

 

[Wok]

Oh, dang! I'll admit, I fought with that for very long, and I thought I had reached a decent compromise, but it looks like it's still not enough. I'll go back to look into it some more. Thankfully it should only happen in menus with both X and Y movement?

It is very minor, and just for Y movement in the menus (I did not encounter X movement yet, I think). Maybe something like for autoclickers would do: set a control delay so that there has to be a 100 ms delay between two inputs, or something like that.

That Two Tribes game, RIVE, is out today: http://store.steampowered.com/app/278100/

This is what they had to say to their mailing list:

I swear they're not paying me. I've just been very impressed with their PC ports lately and I really liked the RIVE demo.

Damn, the last game of the studio. Their blogpost about being dinosaurs was moving.

 

[Toma]

Bought the new One Way Heroics on PS4, impressions later tonight.

 

[Pehesse]

It is very minor, and just for Y movement in the menus (I did not encounter X movement yet, I think). Maybe something like for autoclickers would do: set a control delay so that there has to be a 100 ms delay between two inputs, or something like that.

That's how it currently is, actually! In fact, the precise timing is 170ms, which I found to be the best compromise between reactive but twitchy, and precise but sluggish. It's mosy likely an issue with the gamepad's deadzone, which I'm not sure I'll ever manage to be completely rid of... though I'll keep looking!