YES. This is a way bigger issue for me. That and the lack of a single player story mode like SSE from Brawl, or even Adventure mode from Melee would've been fine. The replacements (Smash Tour and Smash Run, though I liked the latter for a quick play here and there) just didn't hold up for me at all, and I don't think this is an unpopular opinion.
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Why doesn't gaming press ask about what happened to snake in Smash? I need closure.
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YES. This is a way bigger issue for me. That and the lack of a single player story mode like SSE from Brawl, or even Adventure mode from Melee would've been fine. The replacements (Smash Tour and Smash Run, though I liked the latter for a quick play here and there) just didn't hold up for me at all, and I don't think this is an unpopular opinion.
Cow Mengde
Banned
If there is a remake for Brawl, I hope they replace Snake with a better character.
Ryouji Gunblade
Member
I'll settle for naked Norman Reedus as a replacement.
Jawmuncher
Member
How hard is it for sakurai to mention him, he said what happened to ice climbers.
Actually, Konami's lightening up on their lock on the IP, and a Super Turbo Edition of Smash 4 is consistently listed as an NX launch title. Now's the perfect time to discuss Snake coming back to Smash.
-Mutsukki-
Member
It's not his proprierty and probably not even his choice. Snake not being in Smash 4 was 100% expected
MisterHero
Super Member
Snake's logo is KojiPro which no longer exists
You may never get the closure you want because what happened to the character is a confidential issue between Nintendo and Konami. It's not like the other first party characters that were cut. All this stuff is NDA'd forever.
There could have been many reasons for that, such us...
- Konami not knowing what to do with the Metal Gear franchise at the time and thinking about not using the series anymore. The situation is now different, as they still make games and products off of it.
- Konami imposing conditions on Snake's usage, like using Venom instead of classic or MGS2's Snake, etc. Sakurai have comented before that he can reject characters if they don't let use them the version he wants to (eg Pacman's case).
- Problems with the voice acting rights and conflicted depiction of the character. At that point the western version of the character of Snake was in a awkward situation, because 1. Hayter was unionized and severed ties with Konami and 2. you simply can't stick Kiefer Sutherland voice to classic Snake.
- Sakurai simply refusing to use the character as a protest for Kojima's situation?
I mean, fucking Cloud is in the game. There is no good reason for Snake not to be in.
There could have been many reasons for that, such us...
- Konami not knowing what to do with the Metal Gear franchise at the time and thinking about not using the series anymore. The situation is now different, as they still make games and products off of it.
- Konami imposing conditions on Snake's usage, like using Venom instead of classic or MGS2's Snake, etc. Sakurai have comented before that he can reject characters if they don't let use them the version he wants to (eg Pacman's case).
- Problems with the voice acting rights and conflicted depiction of the character. At that point the western version of the character of Snake was in a awkward situation, because 1. Hayter was unionized and severed ties with Konami and 2. you simply can't stick Kiefer Sutherland voice to classic Snake.
- Sakurai simply refusing to use the character as a protest for Kojima's situation?
I mean, fucking Cloud is in the game. There is no good reason for Snake not to be in.
MooMilk2929
Junior Member
There are lots of Street fighter games on Nintendo systems, they may be virtual console games, but they still have a history with Nintendo.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I feel like this is a good lesson for people in how you have to draw your own conclusions because the game industry isn't a high school where everyone is obligated to spill every bit of gossip someone solicits.
SoulUnison
Banned
I Can (Not) Advance?
Simon Belmont?
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Also Super SFIV got a (damn good) 3DS port as a launch title. Square probably jumped at the chance to have Cloud in and he's in stuff like Theatrhythm and FF Explorers too I guess.
OnimaruXLR
Member
This seems less like an actual refutation, and more like a "BUT THERE'S A CHANCE HE COULD'VE BEEN IN THERE ANYWAY?" type of reaction.
There are certain vagueries in life you need to accept. There's no way to know if there's a god, there's no way to know what happens when you die, and unless Konami gets 100% out of video games during Sakurai's lifetime (as opposed to the 50% they're currently engaged in) he will probably not ever comment on Snake's exclusion.
Hell yes!
That said, I agree with Jawmuncher that too few questions have been asked and answered, about Snake and Simon or any other Konami rep for that matter. I don't care if there are plausible reasons we can come up with ourselves, like Kojima's departure, Konami's IP lockdown or their too high of an asking price, as long as we don't get any answers backed by facts, we have nothing more than (imo often overly confident) speculation.
TannerDemoz
Member
He went on an adventure mode and disapeared with it
NinjaCoachZ
Member
Once again that is not the point of my post. Ryu was added to the game because Sakurai thought he would be a unique character that pleases the fans, and noted the appropriateness due to Ryu's other appearances in crossovers.
Show me here where Sakurai said he addd Ryu because of Virtual Console games or SSFIV 3D.
http://sourcegaming.info/2015/06/25...in-the-battle-sakurai-famitsu-column-vol-481/
http://sourcegaming.info/2016/02/23/nintendo-dream-interview-with-sakurai-part-2/
While Sakurai acknowledged those appearances and that he would have thought twice about including Cloud if it weren't for them, they were not the sole reason why Sakurai was keen to add him.
Snake was added to the game because Kojima asked him too. And again, Kojima originally asked during the time of Melee. Twin Snakes was a non-factor at the time, and Sakurai's only reason for turning it down was that the game was too close to completion. For Brawl, Sakurai remembered this request and was finally able to oblige it.
People really need to stop this mentality that characters are solely added and/or removed for the sake of promoting new games.
This is a serious question. I know a lot of people are going to come in here and tell me to let it go, or give me their theories with no actual facts as to why he was cut. But the biggest part that has bothered me is that no one ever asks Konami or Nintendo about this on the gaming press side. Is it that hard to throw in the question once in awhile with the higher brass? Having no clear cut answer on this is just the absolute worst.
The only time we even got a response about it was because Zalman's question was asked to Kojima during a interview with Geoff Keighley. I wouldn't have to be here repeating the question if someone higher up would just give me the actual answer as to why. I just want some closure on this topic. Even i've becoming tired of thinking and asking about it.
For those wondering why I make such a big deal about this all the time, the answer is simple. Snake being added to smash to this day, has still been the single greatest moment in gaming for me. To the point that i'm not even sure a new Dino Crisis game would top it (though it would definitely be up there). It was the sort of addition that felt like they read my mind and decided to go with it.
I know character's get cut all the time from fighting games, but I think a lot of people here can agree smash has always been a special case with any of it's cuts. It seems like many people myself included get far more attached to their favorite character's in smash than they do other fighting games. I think a large part is due to the social aspect of it. A lot of time Smash is played with a group of friends of 4 or more. In that sort of set up, character's are naturally going to gravitate towards players and sort of represent them. I'm sure people here who even play the whole board at the end of the day still have a character they call their favorite, especially among friends.
I will never give up on his return to smash, but the uncertainty that surrounds him is a tough burden to deal with. Plus who doesn't want a Snake Amiibo?
I'm dead serious when i say i'll get a NX and Smash Day One just for Snake. If this thread wasn't enough of a indication of that.
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -Solid Snake
The Quote that you got was said by Big Boss not Solid Snake just an FYI.
Vampirolol
Member
What took you so long?
Jawmuncher said:
That might be a clue for you. If this was a topic they wanted to be transparent about, then they would. It is either of no importance to discuss (seems most likely) or there is a reason they don't broach the subject (less likely). The simplest answer is probably the correct one and in this case they may not have been interested in doing another deal to have Snake in the game.
This isn't really a big mystery is it? It isn't a mainline character, it's a guest character. It's like wondering why Link/Spawn/Heihachi didn't comeback for soul caliber 3.
Just because they made a deal for him to be in Brawl doesn't mean the deal applies to all future smash titles.
I mean, Id bet money that neither Cloud or Bayo return in Smash 5.
Just because they made a deal for him to be in Brawl doesn't mean the deal applies to all future smash titles.
I mean, Id bet money that neither Cloud or Bayo return in Smash 5.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
Yeah him also, but snake had some ridiculous hitboxes:
=Solid Snake was almost certainly one of the best three characters in Brawl beside Meta Knight and Diddy Kong. Snake was utterly broken
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