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[Celine]

The difference is that the new management isn't antagonizing third-parties or sounding arrogant the way they were back when. Yes, Iwata was antagonistic toward third-parties with quotes like

I'm glad Kimishima is avoiding doing statements and decisions like this. [so far]

Nintendo was for decades one of the biggest videogame publisher in the world (still is), of course they consider rivals the other software publishers.
People should realize by this point that Nintendo isn't Sony or Microsoft which are for the most part content with controlling the platform, Nintendo want to be the top publisher in the world.
It's not a coincidence that almost for every Nintendo system, 30% or more of the software sold was produced by Nintendo:

I see no change in the relationship with third-party, what I see is that for the first time Nintendo seem to be using an architecture/API supported by the most popular engine and thus is likely to receive good support from third-party (hoping that Switch will sell good).
For example I expect games such as Dragon Quest or Kingdom Hearts on Switch by SquareEnix not because of some fictional change in the relationship between Nintendo and SE management but because SE is heavily using UE4 which is supported by Switch.

 

[Cellbomber]

Same thing developers release remasters/old games that are already out. They bomb badly and they don't continue support.

 

[LordRaptor]

Nintendo was for decades one of the biggest videogame publisher in the world (still is), of course they consider rivals the other software publishers.
People should realize by this point that Nintendo isn't Sony or Microsoft which are for the most part content with controlling the platform, Nintendo want to be the top publisher in the world.

This statement doesn't hold up to much scrutiny though.

Look at the games third parties are making. Look at the games Sony and Ms are making. Look at the games Nintendo are making.

Is there more competition between purchasers of CoD:AW and purchasers of KillZone / Halo, or purchasers of Mario?
Is there more competition between purchasers of GTA and purchasers of Infamous / Crackdown, or purchasers of Zelda?

Actual genre overlap between MS / Sony and third parties is far greater than between third parties and Nintendo.

 

[Mpl90]

As Colonel Mustard mentioned in the Devolver Digital thread, FDG Entertainment is in as well

https://twitter.com/FDG_Games/status/789700410189766657

They even say they want to bring two games in the first half of 2017 (one is surely Oceanhorn, teased earlier).

So, publishers / developers that weren't in the Partner Slide but that announced their support for the console, and/or the fact they have actual dev kits

- Image&Form
- Zoink Games
- Shin'en Games
- Devolver Digital
- DFG Entertainment

Did I forget anyone else?

 

[mrmickfran]

So, if I'm getting this right, this is the comparison:

That Wii U list, holy shit

 

[Nirolak]

That Wii U list, holy shit

The Wii U is a wonderful example of why first parties should not design a system around their own needs instead of third parties'.

The Switch strikes me as something where third party desires were placed on a much higher level given the complete architecture switch and focus on hardware power and functionality despite being a portable.

 

[Shadow Broker]

Huh?



The difference is that the new management isn't antagonizing third-parties or sounding arrogant the way they were back when. Yes, Iwata was antagonistic toward third-parties with quotes like this:



and this:



and this



Yamauchi admitted at the 2001 Space World event that he had deliberately ordered the N64 be difficult to develop for. The intention behind this was to discourage untalented third-party developers from releasing poor-quality games

I'm glad Kimishima is avoiding doing statements and decisions like this. [so far]

Damn.. I mean damn. I've never seen any of these quotes. How sabotage your company much?

It's hard to believe that Nintendo was this arogant and had rod up their asses for so long.

 

[Celine]

The Switch strikes me as something where third party desires were placed on a much higher level given the complete architecture switch and focus on hardware power and functionality despite being a portable.

I agree with you but I'm unsure if this is a side effect of Nintendo new approach (to converge their handheld and home business to an unified architecture) through nvidia established tech/knowledge or Nintendo management actively wanting third-party support as a priority (I don't believe the latter at all).

For instance there were cases in the past where Nintendo's own decisions overlapped with some third-party needs (Wii was a godsend for third-party who wanted to focus on PS2 tech and family friendly games) however those cases were just a coincidence rather than Nintendo listening to third-party desires.

 

[Calamari41]

It's funny, even with this huge list and all of the possibilities that it entails, number one on my third party wishlist is a Lego City Undercover sequel. Hopefully the original's inclusion in the Nintendo Selects releases is a good sign!

 

[Cyndra]

I can't see EA supporting this thing other than their sports titles.

 

[radcliff]

I can't see EA supporting this thing other than their sports titles.

Besides sports titles, I can see them putting Star Wars and Sims titles on it. Star Wars games have always sold well on Nintendo platforms so I could see them putting their Star Wars titles on the Switch as long as it can handle the game. I don't think we will see thing like Mass Effect, Mirror's Edge, and Battlefield initially. For those titles, EA may take a wait and see approach and see how the platform and its titles perform before committing those titles to the Switch.

 

[Shadow Broker]

I can't see EA supporting this thing other than their sports titles.

If their sports titles sale I think they'll try some of the other titles.

One thing Nintendo has going for them is that they don't charge for multiplayer so that'll appeal to a considerable group of players who are tired of paying a yearly multiplayer fee.

 

[MacTag]

Hamster?

Arcade Archives ------> Virtual Console Arcade ?

 

[Plum]

I can't see EA supporting this thing other than their sports titles.

Don't underestimate the power of EA's sports titles, especially in the UK and Europe. A fully-fledged portable Fifa game with native two-player support anywhere you are could potentially be a very major selling point. Make some adverts showing famous footballers playing multi-player Fifa on their Switch in their downtime and I think it could do great.

 

[wildfire]

If their sports titles sale I think they'll try some of the other titles.

One thing Nintendo has going for them is that they don't charge for multiplayer so that'll appeal to a considerable group of players who are tired of paying a yearly multiplayer fee.

This is definitely one of Nintendo's biggest advantages. I'm getting a PS4 first instead of waiting for the Switch because of Final Fantasy but when I look at the games I ant to buy on the PS4 to supplement that purchase they are all single player games. If I want multiplayer it will be on the PC. With Nintendo, Zelda and Splatoon are on my must buy list and I'm hoping 3rd parties put some really good multiplayer games on the platform because getting stable performance on the PC can be a hassle with finding the right balance of visuals to performance settings.

 

[MacTag]

I can't see EA supporting this thing other than their sports titles.

That's all Nintendo really needs tbh. Plus the Popcap stuff would be nice.

 

[heringer]

I can see a big support from Square-Enix. Shame Final Fantaxy XV is most likely impossible since even PS4 struggles with it.

 

[LordKano]

I can't see EA supporting this thing other than their sports titles.

That would already be extremely helpful for Nintendo to have the EA sports title on their machine.

 

[thefro]

Besides sports titles, I can see them putting Star Wars and Sims titles on it. Star Wars games have always sold well on Nintendo platforms so I could see them putting their Star Wars titles on the Switch as long as it can handle the game. I don't think we will see thing like Mass Effect, Mirror's Edge, and Battlefield initially. For those titles, EA may take a wait and see approach and see how the platform and its titles perform before committing those titles to the Switch.

Plants v.s. Zombies Garden Warfare 2 would seem to be a natural fit for the Switch as well.

And remember, all those games are on Frostbite, so once it's up and running on Switch the barrier to publishing other games is lowered quite a bit.

 

[PSqueak]

That would already be extremely helpful for Nintendo to have the EA sports title on their machine.

And apparently important enough to actually feature one in the reveal trailer!

 

[Undead Fantasy]

So, if I'm getting this right, this is the comparison:

Holy hell at Wii U.

 

[oti]

I can't see EA supporting this thing other than their sports titles.

Pretty sure Nintendo would take FIFA over Mass Effect every single day of the week.

 

[Calvero]

The Wii U is a wonderful example of why first parties should not design a system around their own needs instead of third parties'.

The Switch strikes me as something where third party desires were placed on a much higher level given the complete architecture switch and focus on hardware power and functionality despite being a portable.

It's funny, even with this huge list and all of the possibilities that it entails, number one on my third party wishlist is a Lego City Undercover sequel. Hopefully the original's inclusion in the Nintendo Selects releases is a good sign!

yes pls

 

[Sammy Samusu]

So, if I'm getting this right, this is the comparison:

Not Tetris.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I can't see EA supporting this thing other than their sports titles.

Please. Once EA sees that CoD can sell a million on Switch, they'll be right there following.

 

[Mpl90]

Holy hell at Wii U.

Acutally, you know, I've rewatched the E3 2011 Conference (the slide was taken from there) and, after doing it, I think that isn't the slide representing Wii U's initial pulibhers' backing. It happened at the end of the conference, then followed by several games logos appearing on the sylised titantron, games present at the show / announced there for Wii, DS and 3DS.

https://youtu.be/p1JJPkd4Q28?t=1h9m37s

You can see it here.

I don't know if we have an actual third party partners slide outside this one (which should be NOT what we thought) , now that I think about it.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

3DS support was kinda amazing though, probably my favorite E3 moment ever: https://youtu.be/9vDiVSI4vws?t=3m36s

the several punches (and lies)

 

[LordKano]

And apparently important enough to actually feature one in the reveal trailer!

NBA 2K ? It's from Take-Two, not EA.

 

[LordRaptor]

It would've been more reassuring to see Fallout 4, but I guess the Skyrim remaster is technically their latest game.

Its probably also a safer bet to launch alongside an open world Zelda as theres probably a high overlap between the two for people who enjoy one to want to buy the other.

 

[BD1]

I can't see EA supporting this thing other than their sports titles.

Could see a Star Wars title also, but Nintendo needs sports game for this type of device. Playing console Madden/FIFA on the commute to work is a powerful selling point.

If EA puts the casual sports franchises on Switch, Nintendo wins.

 

[Vampirolol]

After Wii U I'll wait until I have a third party game in my hand before saying "this is the time".
And if that doesn't happen, who cares, I'm here for Nintendo IPs.

 

[brainpann]

I wonder if Ni No Kuni 2 might come to the Switch? Is Bamco still the publisher?

 

[Octavianus]

3DS support was kinda amazing though, probably my favorite E3 moment ever: https://youtu.be/9vDiVSI4vws?t=3m36s

the several punches (and lies)

I like how the audience turned quiete when he announced EA support.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

I wonder if Ni No Kuni 2 might come to the Switch? Is Bamco still the publisher?

In the west, yes, but I think Level-5 will publish it in Japan.

I think it's coming to Switch, unless it's far too into development. Who knows.

 

[cw_sasuke]

If Switch is successful from the started i could see EA releasing basic version of their main sport series on it. Depending on the success release real sequels in the future or just roster updates like they did for Legacy Editions of Fifa (PSP,DS,Wii etc)

 

[Mpl90]

Also, just discovered another one

https://www.facebook.com/EngineSoftware/posts/1235325176488963?pnref=story

Engine Software are the developers behind the console ports of Oceanhorn and, above all, Terraria. This actually makes a lot of sense, considering that "mysterious" Terraria tease from the game's forum one month ago.

 

[LordKano]

Also, just discovered another one

https://www.facebook.com/EngineSoftware/posts/1235325176488963?pnref=story

Engine Software are the developers behind the console ports of Oceanhorn and, above all, Terraria. This actually makes a lot of sense, considering that "mysterious" Terraria tease from the game's forum one month ago.

So yeah, Oceanhorn is definitely coming and probably Terraria too. Oceanhorn 2 is probably in the works for Switch too.

 

[AzaK]

I don't see any wisdom in having your brand in a promo video just for kicks. Skyrim might be off the table, but SOMETHING is, and Bethesda isn't exactly well-known for tailor-making experiences for a single piece of hardware, are they?



"But we've seen this all before"? Nah, it's exceptionally clear that we haven't.

There is a difference between intention and reality. Lots of developers said they'd support ii U too and nothing came of it.

Also re the infographic, there's middleware there, which was also on Wii U. There are companies on there that would have supported Wii U also but just didn't have their name on it.

All I'm saying is that Infographics like this should be ignored. Wait and see what actual games come out.

 

[Mpl90]

So yeah, Oceanhorn is definitely coming and probably Terraria too. Oceanhorn 2 is probably in the works for Switch too.

As I stated earlier, now this "tease" makes a lot more sense.

http://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/wii-u-update-and-3ds-news.48755/

By the time the next update rolls out on PS4/Xbox One we’ll be very close to the launch of NX… But let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

Given the wording, I wonder if Terraria could even be a launch / launch period title, then.

 

[Penguin]

I can't see EA supporting this thing other than their sports titles.

I don't know

I think the Plant vs Zombie games would play well to Nintendo's traditional audience. I wanna say something like Splatoon help showed that folks would buy family-friendly shooters on it.

I can also see some Star Wars games.

 

[AdanVC]

Will try to support 3rd party in Switch as much as I can. Of course, hope developers do their job as well on bringing great ports to Switch and not half-assed ports like most of the 3rd party stuff we got on Wii U. Few exceptions of course but ya'

 

[Sadist]

I wonder if Ni No Kuni 2 might come to the Switch? Is Bamco still the publisher?

Well the game was announced as a "PS4 Debut First" type of thing, implying it will release on other platforms. I assume this would mean just on Steam (I don't think the game would find an audience on Xbox One), but then I remembered Ni No Kuni releasing on DS... there might be a chance.

Would be a game that would be liked by people who buy Nintendo systems.

 

[Oregano]

The Wii U is a wonderful example of why first parties should not design a system around their own needs instead of third parties'.

The Switch strikes me as something where third party desires were placed on a much higher level given the complete architecture switch and focus on hardware power and functionality despite being a portable.

Also still worth mentioning that Nvidia's level of involvement presumably means the documentation is a lot better for western third parties.

 

[oti]

Also still worth mentioning that Nvidia's level of involvement presumably means the documentation is a lot better for western third parties.

Plus DeNA is making the account system. This is Nintendo finally getting the help they need from outside and focusing on their strengths, hopefully.

 

[LordKano]

Will try to support 3rd party in Switch as much as I can. Of course, hope developers do their job as well on bringing great ports to Switch and not half-assed ports like most of the 3rd party stuff we got on Wii U. Few exceptions of course but ya'

There aren't that much third party games I could be interested in for the Switch, but Skyrim is definitely a lock for me. I already put 100 hours on it five years ago but whatever, I had so much fun.

Now if they could bring some japanese games like Persona 5, the deal would be fucking sealed.

 

[imae]

So, if I'm getting this right, this is the comparison:

This is not a fair comparison - that Wii U list is just a blurb from the very first reveal, 18 months before release.

This is a list of 3rd party partner support for the Wii U launch window period. Still not overly impressive, but ...yeah:

2K Games
Maximum Games
EA
Two Tribes
Capcom
Ubisoft
Shinen
Sega
Frozenbyte
Bandai Namco
THQ
505 Games
Activision
Disney
WB Games
Majesco Ent.
D3 Publisher
Tecmo Koei
Gaijin Entertainment

This is just for the launch period, not all 3rd party support.

Source: Wii U Preview Presentation.

 

[Balb]

There aren't that much third party games I could be interested in for the Switch, but Skyrim is definitely a lock for me. I already put 100 hours on it five years ago but whatever, I had so much fun.

Now if they could bring some japanese games like Persona 5, the deal would be fucking sealed.

I really hope they cast a wide net and try to get EVERYTHING and not just a key multiplatform game here or there. How do they expect non-Nintendo fans to stick with the Switch if the biggest games in the world like RDR2 and eventually GTAVI aren't on the platform?

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Any teases from Mojang yet about Minecraft?

 

[LordKano]

I really hope they cast a wide net and try to get EVERYTHING and not just a key multiplatform game here or there. How do they expect non-Nintendo fans to stick with the Switch if the biggest games in the world like RDR2 and eventually GTAVI aren't on the platform?

Convincing Rockstar will be hard, but if they managed to get Bethesda (which was the last publisher I was expecting to see on Switch) they may have drastically improved their 3rd party relationship.

 

[BD1]

There is a difference between intention and reality. Lots of developers said they'd support ii U too and nothing came of it.

True. There were some insiders around here who were saying several planned Wii U games were scrapped by various third party publishers after seeing the dismal post-launch sales numbers.

One of the big rumors was Nintendo was trying to resurrect "forgotten" IP with third parties.