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[RoboPlato]

Well, it could be technically possible with vsync off, but the tearing would be awful.

60Hz is the max HDMI supports

 

[NXGamer]

Doesn't this game have dynamic resolution? maybe it doesn't need a patch because they made the game so that when it's played on better hardware you get better resolution,

BASE mode, no change as identical hardware in all intents and purposes.

 

[Kaako]

Any game targeting 30 FPS might as well not exist in my book. I can't play at that framerate anymore, I just can't - 60 is ok, but ideally I want at least 80-100+. If more games offered the option that Tomb Raider does (unlocked framerate at 1080p) the Pro would be much more appealing to me, but unfortunately I haven't heard of many developers doing this in their pro patch. It'll be interesting to see how games coming out from now on handle it, since everyone needs to have some sort of Pro functionality - a setting that prioritizes framerate over visuals becoming a standard feature would be neat, but I'm not sure I should get my hopes up...

PC only. Consoles are not an option for you if this is the case.

Edit: Oh shit forgot about PSVR lolll.

 

[2blackcats]

Any game targeting 30 FPS might as well not exist in my book. I can't play at that framerate anymore, I just can't - 60 is ok, but ideally I want at least 80-100+. If more games offered the option that Tomb Raider does (unlocked framerate at 1080p) the Pro would be much more appealing to me, but unfortunately I haven't heard of many developers doing this in their pro patch. It'll be interesting to see how games coming out from now on handle it, since everyone needs to have some sort of Pro functionality - a setting that prioritizes framerate over visuals becoming a standard feature would be neat, but I'm not sure I should get my hopes up...

Ha, what you need is a PSVR.

 

[platocplx]

Any game targeting 30 FPS might as well not exist in my book. I can't play at that framerate anymore, I just can't - 60 is ok, but ideally I want at least 80-100+. If more games offered the option that Tomb Raider does (unlocked framerate at 1080p) the Pro would be much more appealing to me, but unfortunately I haven't heard of many developers doing this in their pro patch. It'll be interesting to see how games coming out from now on handle it, since everyone needs to have some sort of Pro functionality - a setting that prioritizes framerate over visuals becoming a standard feature would be neat, but I'm not sure I should get my hopes up...

is this real? lmao. man you guys are really really really insane about framerate to the point it just looks silly.

 

[KooopaKid]

When 60 fps isn't enough. SMH. Good god.

 

[Latimer]

is this real? lmao. man you guys are really really really insane about framerate to the point it just looks silly.

"you guys"

One guy.

 

[ViolentP]

is this real? lmao. man you guys are really really really insane about framerate to the point it just looks silly.

There's nothing silly about the difference between 30 and 60.

 

[ronin_cse]

Maybe there is something wrong with me but I have a hard time telling the difference between 60 fps and 144 fps on my freesync monitor. Heck depending on the game I can't tell much difference between 30 and 60 fps.

 

[NXGamer]

60Hz is the max HDMI supports

In theory it supports 120Hz @1080, just no devices i know of yet that have Hdmi support that refresh rate.

 

[Kaako]

Maybe there is something wrong with me but I have a hard time telling the difference between 60 fps and 144 fps on my freesync monitor. Heck depending on the game I can't tell much difference between 30 and 60 fps.

Consider yourself blessed if that's the case. It's night and day for me almost.

 

[BRocknRolla]

Maybe there is something wrong with me but I have a hard time telling the difference between 60 fps and 144 fps on my freesync monitor. Heck depending on the game I can't tell much difference between 30 and 60 fps.

Everyone is sensitive to things at different levels. You see people saying them same things about resolutions ("I can't tell 720p from 1080p").

It's exactly what makes blanket statements about framerates and resolutions so insane.

I can see the difference between 30fps and 60fps plainly. Above 60, I don't really notice it much at all. I can tell the difference between 1080p and 4k plainly as well. But I'm sure I'll hit a wall there at some point too. We're all on a spectrum of sensitivity to these things.

 

[Lord Error]

There's like a nice coat of extra sheen on that whole section with the outside rocks footage on PS4 Pro ver. compared to PC, which for whatever reason look slightly flatter and more dull. Maybe some better tweaked ambient lighting or something - and I think the result of that is visible on the hair as well, which doesn't constantly look like it's partially in dark shadow while she's standing in the sunny area.

It's noticeable on the screens posted here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223420311&postcount=604

At first I was thinking maybe they didn't capture them with everything matching, but the hair discrepancy definitely goes beyond that.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Nothing wrong with having high standards, once you get used to high framerates it can be hard to go back.

Sure, saying that in console territory is amusing though.

Maybe PSVR would appeal?

 

[dark10x]

I can play games at 30fps, but I definitely don't like it.

60 should be the standard but hey not everyone feels that way. 120+fps is crazy but I've yet to make the jump to high refresh rate monitors.

I miss the CRT days for that.

100+ fps on a CRT monitor still looks better in motion than any high refresh rate LCD. It's just a look that has been lost to time.

 

[Seth]

are there any videos comparing tomb raider on ps4 vs pro?

 

[Karspankey]

I miss the CRT days for that.

100+ fps on a CRT monitor still looks better in motion than any high refresh rate LCD. It's just a look that has been lost to time.

You seem to absolutely love CRT's! Do you have a favorite/recommended one?; it's something I've wondered!

 

[mrklaw]

Those will all happen, of course.

Though, for TLG, I've asked that Tom or someone does the video. I don't want to spoil my experience with that game...I've waited way too long. I want to savor it.

Oh shit, TLG in 4K!!

Edit: or at least upscaled in some way as I don't think we know the details

 

[Latimer]

I miss the CRT days for that.

100+ fps on a CRT monitor still looks better in motion than any high refresh rate LCD. It's just a look that has been lost to time.

Heh, i used to have a 75hz CRT when I was a kid but could never get anything to run that high on it..I used to think runescape did but then I learned it was capped limited to 50 fps all along! Childhood ruined.

 

[Primethius]

Tbh anything below 300 FPS with vsync off is trash and unplayable.

 

[platina]

I miss the CRT days for that.

100+ fps on a CRT monitor still looks better in motion than any high refresh rate LCD. It's just a look that has been lost to time.

What about panny plasmas and their 2,500-3,000 focus field drive? Plasma tvs aren't native 60,120 frames are they?

 

[TalonJH]

I think this console launch is rivalling the Wii U's in terms of sheer confusion. I still have no idea really what this console can do. I think I'm just getting old, but consoles are supposed to be the 'easy' option and PCs the more complicated aren't they?

What are you having a problem with?

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Nothing wrong with having high standards, once you get used to high framerates it can be hard to go back.

There is wanting higher standards and then there is being crazy .

 

[dark10x]

You seem to absolutely love CRT's! Do you have a favorite/recommended one?; it's something I've wondered!

The ol' Sony GDM-FW900 is still amazing.

It's a 16:10 24" CRT monitor (not large by today's standards) and supports up to 2304 x 1,440 @ 80hz but it can do up to 160hz at lower resolutions. Of course, being a CRT, it has no fixed resolution.

Incredible motion clarity and non-fixed resolutions are such a big advantage that no other display seems to be able to provide. Even low resolutions look amazing on these things.

...but it's just not practical as the case is massive, it's super heavy and the screen size isn't large.

What about panny plasmas and their 2,500-3,000 focus field drive? Plasma tvs aren't native 60,120 frames are they?

Plasmas are all native 60hz. I don't think anyone made a plasma supporting refresh rates higher than that.

Motion resolution is good on plasma, but not CRT good.

 

[Latimer]

There is wanting higher standards and then there is being crazy .

I don't think what he said is crazy, but for a console related thread it definitely is.

 

[viHuGi]

Any game targeting 30 FPS might as well not exist in my book. I can't play at that framerate anymore, I just can't - 60 is ok, but ideally I want at least 80-100+. If more games offered the option that Tomb Raider does (unlocked framerate at 1080p) the Pro would be much more appealing to me, but unfortunately I haven't heard of many developers doing this in their pro patch. It'll be interesting to see how games coming out from now on handle it, since everyone needs to have some sort of Pro functionality - a setting that prioritizes framerate over visuals becoming a standard feature would be neat, but I'm not sure I should get my hopes up...

Buy a very powerful pc.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I don't think what he said is crazy, but for a console related thread it definitely is.

Yeah that is what i mean .
We are talking about consoles here .
The only place you getting above 60 is VR and that at the cost of GFX.

 

[onQ123]

We've been though all this. That doesn't happen without a patch, everything is downclocked and compute units are halved.

I'm was saying maybe they made the game with the pro mode on the disc.

Unfortunately, that does not happen on the Pro. There is absolutely zero improvement - the system runs like a standard PS4 when running non-Pro games.

I was just thinking that maybe they didn't need a patch because they made the game to run on PS4 Pro day one.

 

[ThanksVision]

So I'm thinking of picking one of these up this week. Just got an X800D (43" used as a monitor) and I'm wonder what would the best game be to showcase this thing? I want to be wowed by 4k and hdr--hopefully wowed enough to make the purchase feel worth it :#

 

[Sesuadra]

I'm was saying maybe they made the game with the pro mode on the disc.

I was just thinking that maybe they didn't need a patch because they made the game to run on PS4 Pro day one.

IIRC Battlefield needs a patch b/c it is not on the disc.

 

[Checkerboard Render]

So I'm thinking of picking one of these up this week. Just got an X800D (43" used as a monitor) and I'm wonder what would the best game be to showcase this thing? I want to be wowed by 4k and hdr--hopefully wowed enough to make the purchase feel worth it :#

All initial impressions are that Tomb Raider is the one to beat so far in terms of the improvements the Pro ver brings to the able.

 

[Equanimity]

If you think it's worth it then that's fine, I personally don't. The graphics card comparison doesn't quite work either as when you upgrade your GPU, you aren't limited to what options the devs see fit, if I want to run a game in 60fps, I can with a new GPU..It's MY choice. I can also go back and play older games at much higher fps/resolution with a GPU too, the Pro for the most part is current and future titles only, and who knows how many of those will be half arsed attempts.

What makes you say that it isn't worth the price? Even Digital Foundry has stressed that it's keenly priced and that its consumers are getting good deal.

The Pro is a lot of more powerful than the OG PS4 and Xbox One, yet it only costs a $100 more. And if you already own either machine, you can possibly get a respectable $125-200 deducted.

As for the two GPU's I suggested, it was simply to show a layman analogy between a power advantage of the PS4 Pro vs recommending low-midrange GPU's. I know you can do more on a PC, I'm not arguing that.

As for the "half arsed attempts", even than they'll either look and or perform better than the OG model.

 

[Karspankey]

I'm was saying maybe they made the game with the pro mode on the disc.

I was just thinking that maybe they didn't need a patch because they made the game to run on PS4 Pro day one.

I've been thinking about the same thing all day. I've been back and forth on where I stand; the lack of info on BF1 from DICE sucks. It wouldn't be nearly out of the question for the game to have came with support for the Pro, but why has no one mentioned it? Surely someone from DICE would have spoken up on Twitter or something.

 

[Marty Chinn]

I am just utterly dumbstruck at how someone can claim to have no idea what the console can do if they've even skimmed GAF in the last week. you have to go out of your way to avoid the info

Just to play devil's advocate, instead of dismissing it as people being willfully ignorant, have we ever considered the thought that maybe it is confusing to a lot of people? I mean it keeps constantly coming up on an enthusiast board of all places. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to say it's a non issue.

 

[muetimueti]

I know full well no console will go above 60 in any foreseeable future, just 60 would be fine. I do have a PC that takes care of my high fps-needs, so that's all well - what I was/still am hoping for is a 60 FPS mode for exclusives on Pro. I would like to check out things like Bloodborne, Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4, etc. but I know if the performance isn't there I won't enjoy them.
I am also sincerely jealous of anyone who can't tell the difference - precisely because you guys are able to enjoy many games that I can't.

 

[Checkerboard Render]

FYI: My Skyrim Remastered Steam ver just got pushed an update. It says it's for all platforms and includes performance improvements - might be interesting to see if it fixes the potential Pro framedrops.

Skyrim Special Edition 1.1 Update (All Platforms Unless Otherwise Noted)

Fixes
General performance and optimization improvements
Fixed rare issue with NPCs not appearing in proper locations
Fixed an issue with interface elements not appearing correctly on certain
displays (Xbox One and PS4)
Fixed issue with saves erroneously being marked as Modded, even though no mods are active
Updated some sound files to not use compression

 

[BRocknRolla]

So I'm thinking of picking one of these up this week. Just got an X800D (43" used as a monitor) and I'm wonder what would the best game be to showcase this thing? I want to be wowed by 4k and hdr--hopefully wowed enough to make the purchase feel worth it :#

Probably going to have to wait to be truly "wowed" by something that's had a bit more time to bake; Horizon for example.

However, reception of the improvements from Titanfall 2 & Ratchet and Clank has been really positive. Perhaps BF1 will likewise get a nice bump, but I believe that's not known yet.

 

[Piku_Ringo]

Anyone know of the PS4P's HDMI quality?

 

[adamsapple]

Anyone know of the PS4P's HDMI quality?

What do you mean by quality ?

The console comes with a 'premium' HDMI cable needed to do 4K at 60hz.

 

[NoHeDidn't]

Still no reason to go from OG PS4 > Pro without a 4K TV.

I'll continue to wait for 4K prices to drop and the XB Scorpio.

I mean sure if you willfully ignored the upgrades 1080p users will be getting oh and those crisp downsampled 1080p Titanfall 2 screenshots.

And as for fan noise and pitch being compared to OG PS4 and you already own a PS4 I just don't see the reasoning for a "preorder cancelled".

 

[icespide]

Just to play devil's advocate, instead of dismissing it as people being willfully ignorant, have we ever considered the thought that maybe it is confusing to a lot of people? I mean it keeps constantly coming up on an enthusiast board of all places. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to say it's a non issue.

I agree all of this has been confusing and it's a delicate situation. I specifically mean in the last week or so the front page of GAF has consistently been saturated with Pro threads. I am just genuinely surprised that a poster would have enough interest to comment in on Pro thread, and completely ignore the countless other threads that showcase the information that person is seeking.

perhaps I give people too much credit I dunno

 

[ReplacementPelican]

I mean sure if you willfully ignored the upgrades 1080p users will be getting oh and those crisp downsampled 1080p Titanfall 2 screenshots.

Have we gotten any more 'sexy 1080p mode' confirmations outside of Tomb Raider?

 

[Karspankey]

The ol' Sony GDM-FW900 is still amazing.

It's a 16:10 24" CRT monitor (not large by today's standards) and supports up to 2304 x 1,440 @ 80hz but it can do up to 160hz at lower resolutions. Of course, being a CRT, it has no fixed resolution.

Incredible motion clarity and non-fixed resolutions are such a big advantage that no other display seems to be able to provide. Even low resolutions look amazing on these things.

...but it's just not practical as the case is massive, it's super heavy and the screen size isn't large.

Thanks for replying and yeah, that is certainly a beautiful display! My recollection of CRT's is just a blurry, blurry, timepiece from long ago. Never knew such quality screens existed! It makes me really want one to play games I've never tried like Silent Hill 3 and Metroid Prime!

 

[Sesuadra]

Have we gotten any more 'sexy 1080p mode' confirmations outside of Tomb Raider?

Nioh, The Witness and more. Can't recall everything

Thanks for replying and yeah, that is certainly a beautiful display! My recollection of CRT's is just a blurry, blurry, timepiece from long ago. Never knew such quality screens existed! It makes me really want one to play games I've never tried like Silent Hill 3 and Metroid Prime!

sony trinitron CRTs

Spoiler

WEGA KD-34XBR970 with HDMI a and 1080i!!

are always a good thing to buy, if you can get your hands on one. I've tried getting one for the last two years..but no luck so far, only offers I got were "you need to collect it yourself."

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Just to play devil's advocate, instead of dismissing it as people being willfully ignorant, have we ever considered the thought that maybe it is confusing to a lot of people? I mean it keeps constantly coming up on an enthusiast board of all places. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to say it's a non issue.

It going to be confusing to some for many reasons .
The question is it going to be confusing to most of the average people .
IMO no since they use word pro and cell phone and tablets have train them in this sort of stuff already .

I agree all of this has been confusing and it's a delicate situation. I specifically mean in the last week or so the front page of GAF has consistently been saturated with Pro threads. I am just genuinely surprised that a poster would have enough interest to comment in on Pro thread, and completely ignore the countless other threads that showcase the information that person is seeking.

perhaps I give people too much credit I dunno

Yep
For eg people keep saying\asking why Sony does not tell1080p owners what they going to get from Pro .
When we have know for months is the only thing for certain is supersampling everything else up to the devs .

 

[SeppOCE]

is this real? lmao. man you guys are really really really insane about framerate to the point it just looks silly.

30FPS is horrible if you've been gaming the last 4-5 years at a standard of 60. It makes it especially hard when you try to sit down and play a Sony exclusive at 30fps, even though their exclusives are brilliant. Then again if you've been playing the last 4-5 years at 60fps a PS4 probably isn't for you.

 

[Latimer]

What makes you say that it isn't worth the price? Even Digital Foundry has stressed that it's keenly priced and that its consumers are getting good deal.

The Pro is a lot of more powerful than the OG PS4 and Xbox One, yet it only costs a $100 more. And if you already own either machine, you can possibly get a respectable $125-200 deducted.

As for the two GPU's I suggested, it was simply to show a layman analogy between a power advantage of the PS4 Pro vs recommending low-midrange GPU's. I know you can do more on a PC, I'm not arguing that.

As for the "half arsed attempts", even than they'll either look and or perform better than the OG model.

Just the way I feel as a PS4 owner with a 1080p screen. Downsampling is very nice and I do it on PC a lot but I'm not going to buy a whole other console to do it there as well.

Maybe If I didn't have a PC too I'd feel differently but I still say it's more worth the jump if you're going 4k.

 

[jack....]

30FPS is horrible if you've been gaming the last 4-5 years at a standard of 60. It makes it especially hard when you try to sit down and play a Sony exclusive at 30fps, even though their exclusives are brilliant. Then again if you've been playing the last 4-5 years at 60fps a PS4 probably isn't for you.

Counterpoint: I've been gaming at 60fps+ for much longer than 4-5 years on my PC and I have 0 problems playing console games at 30fps. It does not bother me at all.

 

[Latimer]

30FPS is horrible if you've been gaming the last 4-5 years at a standard of 60. It makes it especially hard when you try to sit down and play a Sony exclusive at 30fps, even though their exclusives are brilliant. Then again if you've been playing the last 4-5 years at 60fps a PS4 probably isn't for you.

I felt right at home playing the Uncharted collection, great framerate, responsive controls, good AF, decent IQ..then UC4 comes out..and while technically miles ahead, it's a step back in so many ways on those points I mentioned.

 

[Checkerboard Render]

Just the way I feel as a PS4 owner with a 1080p screen. Downsampling is very nice and I do it on PC a lot but I'm not going to buy a whole other console to do it there as well.

I wouldn't be that much interested as well if that was the only benefit, but it totally depends on the game. TR, KF2, Second Son/Last Light all give 60 or close-to-60 options for 1080p now as well, and other games give increased detail at 1080p over and above just supersampling. I'd love more games to have this of course, but considering it's early those are encouraging.