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I found a vagina in Watch Dogs 2 and Sony suspended me (Update: Ban lifted)

Jobbs

Banned
If OP shared the image in such a way that other people on PSN could see the image without any kind of warning, then their suspension was entirely justified. The fact that this is in the game to begin with is irrelevant.

Although I can see the game being recalled for this, as this is the kind of thing that warrants an AO rating, and patching it out isn't sufficient, as that doesn't change the fact that the content is on the disc. Not everybody downloads patches. This is Hot Coffee all over again.

Didn't GTA v have cocks in it?
 
See I never said that these games are good for kids at all. This is just taking things further. Do you guys want them to add rape animations/actions next to these games because why not, we already have killing?

Why not add babies to the same update.
Going from nudity to rape and pedophilia...
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If OP shared the image in such a way that other people on PSN could see the image without any kind of warning, then their suspension was entirely justified. The fact that this is in the game to begin with is irrelevant.

Although I can see the game being recalled for this, as this is the kind of thing that warrants an AO rating, and patching it isn't sufficient, as that doesn't change the fact that the content is on the disc. Not everybody downloads patches. This is Hot Coffee all over again.
I... I just.. No. No it is not. If the game has graphic rape, torture and/or murder, sure. In fact, I'd argue that GTAV maybe should have been AO, but I guess they managed to stay just on the right side of the line somehow.

But rating a game AO... Because you can see vaginas and penises... That's just... Crazy. You know you came out of a vagina at birth, right?
 

Tohsaka

Member
If OP shared the image in such a way that other people on PSN could see the image without any kind of warning, then their suspension was entirely justified. The fact that this is in the game to begin with is irrelevant.

Although I can see the game being recalled for this, as this is the kind of thing that warrants an AO rating, and patching it out isn't sufficient, as that doesn't change the fact that the content is on the disc. Not everybody downloads patches. This is Hot Coffee all over again.

No it is not, read the thread. There are multiple M-rated games that have dicks and vaginas in them, the ESRB knows this is in the game and even mentioned it in the ratings description.
 
Legitimately curious: How do Steam and Xbox Live handle this situation? (Sharing sexual content screens using the built-in screenshot functions). And if there is a game like this on 3DS/Wii U (maybe the first Wash Doges), how do they handle it?

I agree that it shouldn't be this easy to get banned using PSN's own tools without any user-generated content, but on the other hand I think anyone would know not to share a dick made in Minecraft through Miiverse or even PSN itself...
 
Didn't GTA v have cocks in it?

I don't recall any, but even if it did, the important thing is if that was publicly made known, as opposed to a rogue developer putting it in.


WD 2 is PEGI 18

Vaginas and penises are allowed

Your delicate sensibilities are offended?

Don't buy the game


On the back of the game case, does it outright state that the game contains sexual imagery? If not, then it doesn't matter if it's PEGI 18 or what you think; it'll be recalled.
 
If OP shared the image in such a way that other people on PSN could see the image without any kind of warning, then their suspension was entirely justified. The fact that this is in the game to begin with is irrelevant.

Although I can see the game being recalled for this, as this is the kind of thing that warrants an AO rating, and patching it out isn't sufficient, as that doesn't change the fact that the content is on the disc. Not everybody downloads patches. This is Hot Coffee all over again.

Gta got an ao rating for fucking. This isn't fucking... Quite a few games have had boobs or penises such as The Order... This is just a vagina.
 
If OP shared the image in such a way that other people on PSN could see the image without any kind of warning, then their suspension was entirely justified. The fact that this is in the game to begin with is irrelevant.

Although I can see the game being recalled for this, as this is the kind of thing that warrants an AO rating, and patching it out isn't sufficient, as that doesn't change the fact that the content is on the disc. Not everybody downloads patches. This is Hot Coffee all over again.

The first paragraph, yes.

The second paragraph is a no. ESRB have rated the game and accounted for the nudity. They deemed the game to be M. The fact the some users will chose to fixate on the nudity does not change the game's rating. ESRB cannot rate people.
 
I... I just.. No. No it is not. If the game has graphic rape, torture and/or murder, sure. In fact, I'd argue that GTAV maybe should have been AO, but I guess they managed to stay just on the right side of the line somehow.

But rating a game AO... Because you can see vaginas and penises... That's just... Crazy. You know you came out of a vagina at birth, right?

Where did I say anything about my opinion? I was under the impression that sexual imagery automatically got a game an AO rating (specifically because the general populace tend to get more up in arms about it than violence). Apparently that's not the case and Mature covers this (which seems reasonable to me).

Sounds like the game was rated correctly, and this was accounted for on the back of the game box. In that case, it might be worth updating the OP, as a 15-page thread is a bit much to read to get all the facts. I stopped reading after about three pages, seeing as nearly every post up to that point was either a link to an image of a vagina or a joke of some kind.
 

danowat

Banned
It's an utterly bizarre situation that someone can get banned by sharing a piece of content that is legitimately in a game.

That said, both PSN and XBL have very specific TOS's for sharing questionable content, I would imagine that because screenshot sharing isn't age gated, where buying a game is, is the reason why this can happen.
 

bombshell

Member
It's an utterly bizarre situation that someone can get banned by sharing a piece of content that is legitimately in a game.

That said, both PSN and XBL have very specific TOS's for sharing questionable content, I would imagine that because screenshot sharing isn't age gated, where buying a game is, is the reason why this can happen.

He can very much share the image to his heart's content, just not through #PS4share built in sharing like he did.
 

Sjefen

Member
First vagina i have ever seen in a game that detailed. If the game is that polished they even had time to make genitals on some random prostitute, cant wait to play it.
 

SentryDown

Member
Well, you *signed* the terms of services of PSN which explicitly ban this kind of content, why are you so upset ? There are some porn videos on the Youtube app as well, that still doesn't mean Sony allows you to share them on their network...

Do you think those people who had "fun" on the carpet live on a "Playroom" stream were mad when their content was taken down because "Sony allowed that with their sharing option and camera filming us" ? I seriously how people can't understand such things.
 

Grassy

Member
Incoming "Australian retailer *insert name here* removes Watch Dogs 2 from store shelves due to vagina controversy" thread.
 

acm2000

Member
Well, you *signed* the terms of services of PSN which explicitly ban this kind of content, why are you so upset ? There are some porn videos on the Youtube app as well, that still doesn't mean Sony allows you to share them on their network...

Do you think those people who had "fun" on the carpet live on a "Playroom" stream were mad when their content was taken down because "Sony allowed that with their sharing option and camera filming us" ? I seriously how people can't understand such things.

why cant they just add an adult content tag like google images? its mostly adults playing these things so stop being such a nanny service as at the end of the day this is just content from a game on the system in the first place
 

Maedre

Banned
i don't see where the problem is.this game has pussy, who cares? When i go to the FKK Beach i can see many pussys. We have games and movies where hundred or thousands died through the main protagonist but some pussy is threadworthy?
 

danowat

Banned
i don't see where the problem is.this game has pussy, who cares? When i go to the FKK Beach i can see many pussys. We have games and movies where hundred or thousands died through the main protagonist but some pussy is threadworthy?

It's not that the game has a vagina in it, it's the fact that the user shared said picture through a non age gated sharing system where minors could view it.

The matter of a vagina being censored is a whole other issue.
 

SentryDown

Member
why cant they just add an adult content tag like google images? its mostly adults playing these things so stop being such a nanny service as at the end of the day this is just content from a game on the system in the first place

Sure they could do it, in the meantime that still doesn't mean you have rights to share it. "It's just content from a game on the system in the first place" so are DVD you can play on the system, STILL doesn't mean you are allowed to share it on the INTERNAL Sony network.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
didn't notice one, i could be wrong though. There was penis in Amnesia the Dark descent, quite a delight to look at it....

...what?

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but seriously tho, I keep hering about games should be taken more seriously, and then as soon as genitals show up, 99% of the people act like 12 year olds.
 

Sesuadra

Unconfirmed Member
Sure they could do it, in the meantime that still doesn't mean you have rights to share it. "It's just content from a game on the system in the first place" so are DVD you can play on the system, STILL doesn't mean you are allowed to share it on the INTERNAL Sony network.

Wait, he shared it on an internal sony network? I thought he shared it on twitter and here?

Twitter via PSShare.

eh. so he used his ps4 to upload it to twitter. sorry that's not sharing it on the internal sony network for me. now if he had shared it in a ps4 community..I'd be with ya.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
Legitimately curious: How do Steam and Xbox Live handle this situation? (Sharing sexual content screens using the built-in screenshot functions).

I can't speak to Microsoft's policy, but the responsibility lies with the other party on Steam: it's up to the developer/publisher to tag the game as having adult content, which results in a "Community content for this product may not be appropriate for all ages, or may not be appropriate for viewing at work" confirmation screen when accessing its Steam Community hub. Users don't actually have an option to mask risque or explicit screenshots outside of incorrectly tagging them as a spoiler.
 
Notice that after 15 pages no one has chosen to directly post the image on this forum. They have chosen to instead make the photo one click away for those that wish to see it. What is stopping these people from directly posting the image to NeoGAF? Do they fear a forum ban, or are they simply respectful to the content others may want to avoid?

Regardless of the reason, maybe it would be smart for all involved to exercise the same level of caution when choosing to display the image elsewhere. The way the OP shared the image means in will show up on the console itself in the Live from PlayStation submenu. The game itself chooses to put the game behind a mature rating. That is fair. The Live from PlayStation menu has not rating restriction. That makes displaying such content is an issue,

Of course, the correct answer would be that Sony has better barrier in place for such content posted to Live from PlayStation, but that is not an option right now.

Was discussing this with a friend, if his daughter has parental settings limiting her to games rated for 11 and under, does she still see things relating to M/18 games on the What's New section or do they get filtered away?
 

RocknRola

Member
Man, what a title hehehe


Though, seriously: why Ubisoft? Why? I thought we had all agreed panties was the most games would do? :p
 
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