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I found a vagina in Watch Dogs 2 and Sony suspended me (Update: Ban lifted)

I can't speak to Microsoft's policy, but the responsibility lies with the other party on Steam: it's up to the developer/publisher to tag the game as having adult content, which results in a "Community content for this product may not be appropriate for all ages, or may not be appropriate for viewing at work" confirmation screen when accessing its Steam Community hub. Users don't actually have an option to mask risque or explicit screenshots outside of incorrectly tagging them as a spoiler.

Oh right, I forgot about this screen.

Yeah, that seems like a much nicer system.
 

RocknRola

Member
How will Japan respond to being one upped?

No idea, and not sure if I even wanna know the answer to that :p After being "forced" to give granny pants to their characters in some games, I think they will now "fight back!" if this piece of news makes it over there haha
 
I wonder whether Sony banned anyone who shared a screenshot of the penis that was in The Order 1886. Would be pretty bad double standards if they didn't.

Because you posted on... Twitter? Wut? How do they even know it's you? Or was it through the PS4 sharing/twitter connection thing?

Kind of stupid that they'd ban you for this regardless, but at least it's just a week-long ban and not permanent, I guess... :S

Edit: also, being nitpicky, that's a vulva not a vagina ;)

You can see Twitter activity on Sony's own social network thing on the PS4 & PSN app. They're probably trying to keep it family friendly.
 

Spirited

Mine is pretty and pink
How is there so many prudes on gaf?
Or is it just an american thing to be afraid of genitals?
I promise they don't bite.
 

Vex_

Banned
How is there so many prudes on gaf?
Or is it just an american thing to be afraid of genitals?
I promise they don't bite.

America is very conservative. Look who they voted for their President.

What? Too soon? Guys...? guys?
 

Spirited

Mine is pretty and pink
Did you even read the OP?
I read the OP and I'm not commenting about the OP but about some of the reactions in here.

America is very conservative. Look who they voted for their President.

What? Too soon? Guys...? guys?
Could have been worse, they could have voted in a real republican like Cruz, the alien, that probably only reproduces through pure luck.
 

acm2000

Member
Sure they could do it, in the meantime that still doesn't mean you have rights to share it. "It's just content from a game on the system in the first place" so are DVD you can play on the system, STILL doesn't mean you are allowed to share it on the INTERNAL Sony network.


thats completely different, games are licensed products for the system. The share button exists for sharing the content with others so add a checkbox stating its 18+ and be done with it
 

Maedre

Banned
It's not that the game has a vagina in it, it's the fact that the user shared said picture through a non age gated sharing system where minors could view it.

The matter of a vagina being censored is a whole other issue.

but showing killing people in a non age gated system is fine then? In what societey is a pussy more problemativ than a death.
 

danowat

Banned
but showing killing people in a non age gated system is fine then? In what societey is a pussy more problemativ than a death.

American it would appear, I'd also imagine there are quite a few other cultures who would view it as more offensive.

We're assuming here, but do we know if someone shared a grisly picture via PS Share they wouldn't get banned?

Also, does it banned process need someone to complain about a piece of content?, or are there moderators looking out for stuff like this?.
 
The age-gate supposition is a little odd. If they're trying to keep things "family friendly" are they only going to remove nudity? Or are they going to go after things that have blood, strong language or drug use? I find it hard to believe they'd actually do that.
 

eso76

Member
Nothing wrong with nudity.
i don't understand how those underwears work though, did they really model crotchless panties or is that scary man eating thing just clipping through ?
 

Goron2000

best junior ever
Guys, I'm not really "mad". I just wanted to have a conversation about how companies are happy to sell this product and are happy to use the sharing feature for free promotion but then punish the user for using these services in a way that affects their image. I used the PlayStation tool to upload directly to twitter, I don't believe it's my problem to protect their users from their product that they make money from.

As games push the boundaries on what is traditionally acceptable, should the terms of service and the policies of platform holders evolve too?
 

RocknRola

Member
Nothing wrong with nudity.
i don't understand how those underwears work though, did they really model crotchless panties or is that scary man eating thing just clipping through ?

Likely clipping issues. Common with clothes in almost every game, but especially so in Open World games with loads of characters and small details.
 

danowat

Banned
The age-gate supposition is a little odd. If they're trying to keep things "family friendly" are they only going to remove nudity? Or are they going to go after things that have blood, strong language or drug use? I find it hard to believe they'd actually do that.

I'm struggling to find any TOS related to PS share.
 

WaterAstro

Member
Likely clipping issues. Common with clothes in almost every game, but especially so in Open World games with loads of characters and small details.

Usually, anything that's covered by clothing isn't textured so that they don't run into these problems. lol
 

RocknRola

Member
Usually, anything that's covered by clothing isn't textured so that they don't run into these problems. lol

I didn't say the vag wasn't textured :p Just that the panties were likely clipping as it's a fairly common gaming issue across almost all genres. Unless the devs have some purpose for actual crotchless panties, in which case it's fully intentional.

The real question is indeed: why did they model the vagina? The character looks or seems to be a random AI too, which means all female models likely have them. Seems like too much work for something that usually stays hidden or is covered by solid panties.
 

danowat

Banned
Do they have something vague about simply reserving the right to remove inappropriate things or things they deem bad?

Quite broad.

Do not share anything that is vulgar or use community features to harm or alarm anyone;
Do not share anything that is defamatory or offensive (including anything racially, ethnically, religiously or sexually offensive);
 

Keasar

Member
It's naked people in San Francisco. I am neither shocked, mad or surprised.

GTA IV Lost and Damned has a full schlong in view during a scene, caused some ruckus but then it was forgotten.

I am okay with this overall.
 

danowat

Banned
It's naked people in San Francisco. I am neither shocked, mad or surprised.

GTA IV Lost and Damned has a full schlong in view during a scene, caused some ruckus but then it was forgotten.

I am okay with this overall.

It's not the fact that content is in the game that's the issue, it isn't, the issue is that content was shared.

Whether that shared content can be viewed by anyone, even those on a parentally restricted account, isn't known.
 

Keasar

Member
It's not the fact that content is in the game that's the issue, it isn't, the issue is that content was shared.

Whether that shared content can be viewed by anyone, even those on a parentally restricted account, isn't known.

That is true, I was mostly reacting to people's reaction in this thread to full view vagina/penis, which barely phases me anymore. :p

I do understand however that it does bring up a question regarding sharing streams etc. but you would think if a parent had parental settings on, a game like Watch Dogs 2 would not be the first to pop up in suggested streams/screenshots. As I haven't ever used those settings on anything, so I can't really say, but it is my assumption that is how it works?
 
Fucking dumb to allow it on the system but not to be able to share it or risk a ban.

Their rules though I suppose. If it's in the TOS that's the way it goes.

If this is a first time offense though it'd be better for Sony in the long run to simply issue a reminder/warning. The ban is dumb. If it were me I'd ban their asses right back once the Scorpio drops.
 

danowat

Banned
That is true, I was mostly reacting to people's reaction in this thread to full view vagina/penis, which barely phases me anymore. :p

No one should have a problem with full frontal genitalia appearing in an 18 rated game, if they do, they shouldn't be buying 18 rated games.
 

zoukka

Member
It's naked people in San Francisco. I am neither shocked, mad or surprised.

GTA IV Lost and Damned has a full schlong in view during a scene, caused some ruckus but then it was forgotten.

I am okay with this overall.

That was a developer controlled cut-scene doe.
 

NZerker12

Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51C4VxzK-WM

Seriously though I can't believe there
(Well I can actually)
are people bothered by this, its only a Vagina. The sad thing is you can share yourself dismembering people in MK or other games and be fine but as soon as you show a natural part of the human body you get banned. Seriously the American view on sex and nudity is so backwards.
 

ogbg

Member
I'm sure it's been said a million times already but I'll add to it. Why is pathological violence considered family friendly in America but nudity or 'language' isn't?
 

Atomski

Member
I will never not be fascinated by the american outrage culture when it comes to genitalia, sex or swearing.

You guys should watch some dutch TV, it would blow your mind. Acting like kids should be protected against depictions of bog-standard human appendages is so fucking unreal.
But but....if I see a vagina I may get someone pregnant.

It's funny how people think sexualized media is going to turn your teenagers into horndogs. We don't need media.. our hormones will do the work.

I'm sure it's been said a million times already but I'll add to it. Why is pathological violence considered family friendly in America but nudity or 'language' isn't?
We see violence as harmless fantasy.. nudity on the other hand makes you want to put your penis others..
 

danowat

Banned
I'm sure it's been said a million times already but I'll add to it. Why is pathological violence considered family friendly in America but nudity or 'language' isn't?

In a god fearing country with a high gun ownership?, do you really need to ask that question.
 

Cappa

Banned
I will never not be fascinated by the american outrage culture when it comes to genitalia, sex or swearing.

You guys should watch some dutch TV, it would blow your mind. Acting like kids should be protected against depictions of bog-standard human appendages is so fucking unreal.

I was going to comment this, most people "shocked" by this are probably from the US. Everyone else whos commented like its whatever, is probably not. Hell even Germans are more laid back with these things and they have stricter censorship especially with videogames compared to most of the rest of Europe.

As an American, now living in Europe I can confirm that the things that are "controversial" in the US are not controversial whatsoever here.
 
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