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I found a vagina in Watch Dogs 2 and Sony suspended me (Update: Ban lifted)
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Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Congrats on the ban lift, OP. They were probably more upset about a QA miss being exposed than a poorly done texure
It's a good resolution for the OP, so that's good, what's not so good is the censorship that Ubisoft have decided to do, the game is a mature / 18+ game, there is no need for them to patch this nudity out.
Has this issue highlighted a problem with the share system and mature content within the PS4 then?, is Sony going to fix it?.
Has this issue highlighted a problem with the share system and mature content within the PS4 then?, is Sony going to fix it?.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Not entirely though because Ubisoft is still going to send out a censor patch thanks to Sony
Darkstorne
Member
I mean, what does a low resolution vagina really add to the game? If all it does is cause controversy like this, and we'd lose nothing by removing gratuitous nudity, then I don't see the problem.
Definitely agree with your second comment though. If we have to second guess when we're allowed to use the Share feature, that's a problem. And plenty of people have posed great solutions already, like an opt-in option for users to view images and videos shared from mature rated games. If you haven't opted in, then the images could always be blurred until you select them and confirm you're okay with viewing potentially mature content.
I don't like knee jerk, retro active censorship that panders to the tabloid notion that "games are evil", the developer felt it was appropriate to be in the game from the get go, then it shouldn't be removed.
I would imagine the developer will go with the line that it was a mistake, and shouldn't have been in their in the first place though.
I would reply back and say "that almost sounds like an apology, but it appears to be missing some key points"
Then I would point out that the media storm created by this could have been avoided by better QA/QC/Policies and customer service.
Also I would point out sex is legal (and viewing a nude body is not even that) amongst consenting adults below the age rating for this game, shooting people is not for any age, then ask why one is a bannable offence and one is not.
test_account
XP-39C²
At least they say that the bans were incorrect, indirectly saying that they did the wrong thing. The first ban was probably within the rules, but the extended ban was strange. But thanks for the update, very good that you got the ban removed!
So are they like patching all the vaginas out or specifically ones on the otherwise clothed characters? Because if they keep in nude beaches and stuff then I can find that understandable. It is in extremely poor taste to have female characters walking around whose vaginas you can see, but only by attacking them.
RocknRola
Member
If a game is rated M, then nudity is perfectly acceptable. Now, the question of whether it adds something valuable or not is interesting, but doesn't negate the possibility of it being there in the first place.
I mean, if I can pretend that I'm mass murderer in these sort of games a random vagina or a penis seem more than fine.
Shame Ubi went this way though. Makes no sense either, it's an M rated game. If some kid buys it, that's on the kid and the respective parents and maybe the store also. Never on the developer or the actual game (assuming it's rated accordingly).
I mean, if I can pretend that I'm mass murderer in these sort of games a random vagina or a penis seem more than fine.
Shame Ubi went this way though. Makes no sense either, it's an M rated game. If some kid buys it, that's on the kid and the respective parents and maybe the store also. Never on the developer or the actual game (assuming it's rated accordingly).
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Um is a M rated game actually allowed to show a vagina? Even rated R and cable shows can only show the public hair, not like the whole thing in all its glory.
This isn't simply a matter of M means 18 and 18 means you can watch whatever you want. Rating systems can levy additional restrictions.
I'm not super familiar with the ESRB but wouldn't it need to be rated AO?
This isn't simply a matter of M means 18 and 18 means you can watch whatever you want. Rating systems can levy additional restrictions.
I'm not super familiar with the ESRB but wouldn't it need to be rated AO?
RocknRola
Member
It is in Europe (or in Portugal at the very least). M = 18+ = Adults (by law 18 year olds are adults in every sense of the word). Ergo, everything is legit. Not even sure there is a rating above that here, tbh.
EDIT:
Oh, nevermind. The ESRB site says M = 17+, which is definitely different (from a legal standpoint). AO is the 18+ one. In which case.....eh....nudity may or may not be legit.
EDIT 2:
The difference between "graphic sexual content" and just "sexual content" is what may make the world of difference here. Though I feel "nudity" would fit in with "sexual content". They didn't make a sex scene of any sort, it was just nudity. Sooo...dunno. kinda confused right now.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
It's not just nudity it's the opening and everything. Again if we look at TV I'm pretty sure there's never been an instance where that could be shown, but breasts, buttocks, and the front of the pubic area have been.
Saw your edit. Yup graphic nudity versus just nudity is a good way to distinguish. There are degrees.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
I see some people in here who are angry about the censorship but is this instance of nudity really the hill to die on? It's so insignificant and meaningless. I'd rather fight for the release of actual AO games and pornographic games on consoles where this sort of nudity would actually make sense.
Ha! Loved this post. Aiming for the heart and listing all the right things.
RocknRola
Member
Speaking for myself, I wouldn't say angry just disappointed that devs suffer so much backlash for these things.
I don't think it adds particularly anything to this game, especially if they don't do anything with it which seems to be the case, but I don't feel it causes any sort of harm either.
Ah well. It is what it is I guess. Hopefully one day devs won't be scared of making full on AO games with whatever they decide to throw in there.
Pantz
Member
Check out the movie Punch (2002) Rated R. They showed on cable and it has a full vagina scene. (Movie also came out of Canada).
Yeah there's always one person that's gotta ruin it for everyone.
"Do not share anything that is vulgar."
I would reply to them and say
"Do not approve anything in games on your system that you find vulgar then".
olore
Member
That´s insane, why would they even model that in the game? They fucked up, Sony fucked up, OP did nothing wrong. Classic example of shooting the messenger
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
it makes things more authentic considering the lady is a hooker.
Dictator93
Member
I scarcely see what is wrong with it being in the game as long as it was properly vetted by a ratings board.
What is wrong with some genitalia (male or female) in a game where you can just shoot random civilians on the street?
Well put.
I feel the same. The way people divide how they perceive violence vs nudity is fucking hypocritical.
I mostly agree, but when there's nudity in a game you can only see by attacking someone then it kind of inadvertently veers into gross sexual violence territory.
You made into the german news: https://www.heise.de/newsticker/mel...mit-Update-zu-detaillierte-Vulva-3486547.html (NSFW)
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Goron you got some major attention. I saw two Polygon articles about this.
oreomunsta
Banned
Well, at least Ubi can now market this game as "not for pussies"
I see a lot of people saying, "oh, I can shoot someone in the face, but vagina is a no no?"
While that sentiment is true, and worth talking about, that's not Sony's fault. At least here in the US, that standard pretty much exists everywhere. so the blame for that (double?) standard shouldn't fall to Sony.
While that sentiment is true, and worth talking about, that's not Sony's fault. At least here in the US, that standard pretty much exists everywhere. so the blame for that (double?) standard shouldn't fall to Sony.
Pre-teen cis male gamers everywhere cursing OP's name.
RichiRamjag
Member
And the rep on the other end would ignore most of that and send you a canned message back.
That's not a good solution though. Problem was coming from the fact that the shot was seen in public activity feed.
Ahahahaha
Aenima
Member
Lol, as expected. The german site is the only one that dont censor the pic and place it on the article without the need of external links
But they are one of the contries that ban or censor most games that show alot of gore. Funny how diferent cultures work on videogames.
Not so funny that because of this thread the game is being now censored.
Have you seriously never heard of crotchless underwear before? It's a perfectly valid item in the wardrobe of any streetwalker.
The hole serves a practical purpose
It's a video game not a real life simulator.
Pinko Marx
Banned
Are you saying video games can't be real life simulators??? 🤔
John Kowalski
Banned
sounds like something only a delinquent would use
SeeNoWeevil
Member
Agreed. It just reinforces the notion that videogames are kid's toys, regardless of their rating.