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KS8000 settings for gaming at 4k/HDR
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Maaaaaardy
Member
So for me the 7000 is better than the 8000...!? Okay!
Insane Metal
Member
The 8000 is like 2% better but costs a lot more, so yeah the 7000 is the best option.
There's a menu option to set the amount of delay on the optical output, try adjusting it from the default setting.
I think this is something that happens to lots of people. Whether to return or not is up to you and your perception.
I've found that where you sit can make it more noticeable; off-axis seems to bring it out. You could also play with how bright the backlight and smart led are. The darker the room the more you'll notice it. I play with a lamp behind the TV.
piratepwnsninja
Member
Update: I turned off UHD HDMI Color on the port that I have my PC hooked into, and it hasn't done this since. Which kind of sucks since I'd like to have that turned on. I wonder why it'd lose signal with that turned on in regards to my PC.
meltingparappa
Member
85 pages of paranoia as to whether or not all my settings are correct.
RECEIVER QUESTION:
I have a pretty ok 4K receiver hooked up to my tv with my PC and PS4 plugged into it, which then goes into the ARC input on my tv.
I'm noticing however, that the tv struggles trying to recognize the two sources (technically three, for the receiver settings signal) and give them unique settings. For instance, I'll watch something via my PC input, then want to play a PS4 game, and it will think I'm still watching my PC, and prevent me from switching to game mode. Also, I'm having no luck doing the trick in the OP to rename the PC input to something else, to get the four picture options back.
Ideally I'd want it so that it doesn't recognize different sources from my receiver, and allow me to apply one setting to the hdmi input. Does anyone have any experiencing managing this?
I almost want to plug my PC and PS4 directly into the OneConnect box, and send the audio back via ARC, but I'm sure that probably introduces some lag, and feels 'wrong'.
RECEIVER QUESTION:
I have a pretty ok 4K receiver hooked up to my tv with my PC and PS4 plugged into it, which then goes into the ARC input on my tv.
I'm noticing however, that the tv struggles trying to recognize the two sources (technically three, for the receiver settings signal) and give them unique settings. For instance, I'll watch something via my PC input, then want to play a PS4 game, and it will think I'm still watching my PC, and prevent me from switching to game mode. Also, I'm having no luck doing the trick in the OP to rename the PC input to something else, to get the four picture options back.
Ideally I'd want it so that it doesn't recognize different sources from my receiver, and allow me to apply one setting to the hdmi input. Does anyone have any experiencing managing this?
I almost want to plug my PC and PS4 directly into the OneConnect box, and send the audio back via ARC, but I'm sure that probably introduces some lag, and feels 'wrong'.
AFAIK it's a 10 bit panel but the "PC RGB" setting on Xbox One doesn't play nice and still gives crushed blacks. My XB1 is currently set to default.
meltingparappa
Member
Is the delay slightly less on game mode?Yeah I tried that. It doesn't make any difference
Anyone else got any ideas?
Oh shit it is indeed. Any chance Samsung fixes this?
meltingparappa
Member
It means the post processing of the other modes are introducing lag to the audio signal. I think the delay setting is supposed to help synchronize this.
If it's just a bug, there's hope they may fix it when they roll out an update that fixes the HDR bug.
...if you're optimistic that'll happen, that is.
I see. That sucks. I won't get my hopes up too much for a fix.
On the Netflix app, when I click the info button I no longer get the resolution info. I tried to uninstall the Netflix app but it does not let me. Has anybody had this info window disappear on them? Any advice?
I have a feeling my Netflix app isn't giving me 4k and I wanted to check.
I have a feeling my Netflix app isn't giving me 4k and I wanted to check.
Netflix updated their app and took away this functionalty for some reason. Nothing you can do.
TLZ
Banned
Just did this and my set needed R-Gain -5 and G-Gain 15. I tried changing the Green but 0 was perfect.
Thanks for your tip my whites look better.
Damn that seems silly. Is there any way to verify the resolution of the image on the screen?
Jwebster24
Member
Yes it will pass through Dolby or DTS 5.1.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Yeah, this sucks and I've not found any way to keep the TV from "smart switching" the input name/mode/icon to PC/Xbox/Etc. I just go into the input list to my input, hit up, Edit, and then pick the desired one from the left and then OK at the bottom. This always works for me.
Nope, not using the built in TV apps. Not that I've found anyways.
piratepwnsninja
Member
Updating again in case anyone else is trying to fix this issue.
So with UHD Color turned off, I couldn't run it at 1440p/60hz on the PC, just 4k and my 980Ti cannot push that, so I started trying other things with it turned on. I'm fairly certain the problem is some sort of HDCP handshaking issue. If I completely shut my computer down and turn it back on, things work fine. If the TV goes to sleep or is turned off/back on, that is when the issue crops back up, leading me to believe that it is on the computer end of the HDCP handshake. Since a full shut down is annoying, I've had luck using Display Settings to just Display On my second monitor. I then just extend after doing that and it sees to work. I'm obviously just making guesses here, but I'm thinking that doing that reestablishes the HDCP connection properly.
Jwebster24
Member
No problem. The TV can output 5.1 Dolby/dts from all sources either through optical or HDMI via ARC.
OmniscientZiltoid
Neo Member
I find the optical passthrough to create quite a noticeable audio lag.
PS -> receiver optical is a better option in my case.
Yeah, but you have to then get a switch if you have multiple sources, which just gets messy.
Truth is I need a new receiver to deal with the HDMI in (mine only has optical and analogue).
SilentTristero
Member
Anyone have tips for a component to hdmi converter box that would work well with the Samsung KS8000? I've got a Wii and PS2 I'll be hooking up to this thing. I know a CRT would be better for old stuff, but I just need something servicable so I can have a cool one stop office setup.
WonkyPanda
Member
I'm starting to wonder if DC on Low is preferable for HDR content. Playing FF XV, I always felt the blacks looked almost crushed, DC low seems to alleviate that some.
I'll need to do some further testing.
I'll need to do some further testing.
There's no such thing as 8-bit HDR (well, technically there is, but it's not the defined standard and is nonsensical). High Dynamic Range (HDR) has a 10-bit color depth or more. Standard Dynamic Range (SDR) is 8-bit.
The current HDMI standard 2.0a does not have the bandwidth to do RGB 4:4:4 10-bit at 4k60.
Setting to Automatic on PS4 Pro gives you RGB 4:4:4 4k/60 for your 8-bit SDR games, and switches to YUV 4:2:0 4k/60 for your 10-bit HDR games (if it's working properly, anyway.)
styl3s
Member
Is it normal for the panel to constantly auto dim even with eco shit off?
I'm not talking about little dimming here and there i am watching Sicario UHD blu-ray and i noticed in a daytime scene it just randomly dimmed to where it looked late afternoon then the pictured brightened back up when the people started moving.
edit: this is using xbox one if that helps. I didn't notice the issue when watching Civil War on my ps4.
I'm not talking about little dimming here and there i am watching Sicario UHD blu-ray and i noticed in a daytime scene it just randomly dimmed to where it looked late afternoon then the pictured brightened back up when the people started moving.
edit: this is using xbox one if that helps. I didn't notice the issue when watching Civil War on my ps4.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Forgive my ignorance. Was the Sicario Blu-ray also in HDR? I've noticed a few instances of odd dimming on a few of the HDR demo videos.
The set will dim to maintain black levels in dark or mostly black scenes. But it seems that it will dim on extended bright scenes in HDR mode because while the set is capable of high peak brightness, it can only maintain that level for so long before dimming. At least that's what I've read. Not sure if that is what you are seeing.
meltingparappa
Member
Was it dimming the tv's UI as well? I had this, and then it seemed to just magically go away.
Just like "An HDR video is playing" notification that used to come up, but no longer does (even if the 'info' button confirms I'm watching an HDR video).
Aaaand another person that notices this bug. What console and settings are you using? Also check out the last few pages as we are trying to get Samsung to fix the issue
Pantz
Member
Funny thing about messing with the settings on this tv for a couple weeks. I was able to adjust the settings on my sisters older 1080p Sharp tv easily and for the most part used the same setting numbers. We both agreed it looked great. So sad...she was playing with auto motion feature on and game mode off for years now.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
I think since the KS8000 is such a popular choice for gamers it's warranted it's own thread: there's also a popular X800D Sony 4K Thread too
In KS8000 HDR Game Mode news, mine changes automatically every time now to full backlight for HDR gaming, is that new?
Which firmware are you on?
Yeah, bump this thread on the Samsung site if you could:
https://us.community.samsung.com/t5...blue-color-separation-in-Game-Mode/td-p/52192
infinityBCRT
Member
With all due respect to aske, I've already proven that the right sharpness is 0. (Despite the fact that several experts have already stated this). I was able to see ringing in watch dogs 2 under 20. Either the test pattern he's using isn't good, or his eyes aren't good enough to spot ringing, he's in PC mode (in which case the right setting is 50), or he prefers a sharpened image. But you can see the proof in this vid where I'm flipping back and forth between 0 and 17 sharpness https://youtu.be/DhI5A2uf2Pw
If you look at my post history I think I posted a screen grab comparison if it isn't obvious what I'm pointing out.
styl3s
Member
Yeah Sicario had HDR. I don't think i have even seen a UHD in stores that don't have a HDR sticker on it and if it did i wouldn't bother buying it since most are just 2k transfers. I buy it specifically for the HDR advantages.
I haven't noticed it dimming in anything but in Suicide Squad and Sicario UHD's Blu-rays. That HDR shit always pops up for me especially when you first laugh UHD blu-rays.
As far as the great sharpness debate goes, I actually managed to see a lot more of the effects of the sharpness slider by highlighting the Trophies icon on the PS4 XMB in 4K than I did using the Disney WOW sharpness slide in 1080p.
In that scenario, however effective a scenario it may be (probably not very, haha), I did see a lot more banding and artificial definition when closer to 20. I ended up settling on 10 sharpness using that, which was probably swayed a bit by that guy here saying he got professionally calibrated to sharpness 10. It does seem a lot better than being closer to 20, at least in this oddball test.
I invite fellow sharpness weirdos to take a lot at it and grow slightly crazier.
In that scenario, however effective a scenario it may be (probably not very, haha), I did see a lot more banding and artificial definition when closer to 20. I ended up settling on 10 sharpness using that, which was probably swayed a bit by that guy here saying he got professionally calibrated to sharpness 10. It does seem a lot better than being closer to 20, at least in this oddball test.
I invite fellow sharpness weirdos to take a lot at it and grow slightly crazier.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
1154, which is odd as that's the firmware I started on but I'm sure HDR auto backlight to 20 didn't happen when I first got it, weird!
I experiment a lot with settings and to my eyes Dynamic Contrast for PS4 games on high looks better than low and medium and is very close to "off". I tested it with the Game mode and it doesn´t seem that I lose detail but with DC set to medium or low the picture gets a bit washed out and colours/brightness are way too "altered".
Yes, I am sharpness weirdo too, I have it at 30 now, 31 introduces visible artificial artifacts, so there is no reason to turn it down right?
On my "returned" KS9000 the sharpness limit was 20.
Also on firmware 1154 and Ratchet HDR in Game mode changes to full brightness now, didn´t do it before on 1142.
I also often test and compare my picture settings in the PS4 XMB with the trophy icon and the game pictures there, so far the one from Alien Isolation is really good at comparing different settings.
I started doing this when I had my first 1080p set and the PS3 about 10 years ago.
Yes, I am sharpness weirdo too, I have it at 30 now, 31 introduces visible artificial artifacts, so there is no reason to turn it down right?
On my "returned" KS9000 the sharpness limit was 20.
Also on firmware 1154 and Ratchet HDR in Game mode changes to full brightness now, didn´t do it before on 1142.
I also often test and compare my picture settings in the PS4 XMB with the trophy icon and the game pictures there, so far the one from Alien Isolation is really good at comparing different settings.
I started doing this when I had my first 1080p set and the PS3 about 10 years ago.