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[sanstesy]

Nintendo launching their newest hardware with a mainline Zelda, mainline Mario and a Splatoon game is of course the best thing ever for fanboy wet dreams but for everyone else it literally makes no sense to not space out the schedule a little. Nintendo won't care if you buy the Switch at launch or a few months later as long as you buy somewhere around launch until the end of the holidays. More importantly people don't buy your console because of the "amazing" games at launch they buy your console for a hopefully promising future release schedule after launch. Zelda releasing at launch or a few months later won't make much of a difference as fans will buy that and the Switch when it comes out and if it is really close to launch most of them will even buy the hardware at launch anyway.

With Mario, Splatoon and a hopefully healthy release schedule afterwards it will already be an excellent first-party launch line-up. That gives games Nintendo probably had a hard time even getting on their console in the first place still a good chance to succeed - be it Skyrim, Mario X Rabbids RPG or whatever else is coming out at launch from a third-party source. And launch title success is one of their best chances to convince third-party publishers for future continued support. Breath of the Wild releasing as well, though? No one will ever touch these other launch games if Nintendo still has a healthy release schedule ahead (which they should). Also, while not completely comparable to Nintendos situation here there is still a reason why most successful publishers don't release two major IPs at the same time. And when they did it it mostly backfired hard (looking at Titanfall and COD as a recent example).

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Actually, Splatoon may very well be the pack-in game for the Deluxe Bundle. There's really no use in bundling a game like Mario that's guaranteed to sell on its own. At least in Splatoon's case, it's an enhanced port.

As for having both Mario & Zelda on Day 1, on top of the potential for both to eat into each other's profits, there's also the issue with those two overshadowing every single third party game in the Switch's launch line-up (which could land the Switch in a similar situation as the Wii U as far as third party support is concerned later down the road).

I've read the rumors, but if Nintendo was smart, they'd bundle Mario instead. Just like in the NES, SNES days.

 

[TheDinoman]

Dunno if it's been posted here, but Sakurai seemingly isn't directly working on Smash Switch.

 

[Neoxon]

I've read the rumors, but if Nintendo was smart, they'd bundle Mario instead. Just like in the NES, SNES days.

But again, 3D Mario games are typically good enough to sell on their own. Having it bundled with the Deluxe Bundle would only cut into Nintendo's potential profits. At least with Splatoon, it's an enhanced port of a new IP that came out on the Wii U. While it would sell decently on its own, Nintendo would want that IP to be exposed to as many people as possible. As a strategic move, Splatoon as the pack-in game makes more sense.

 

[LordKano]

Dunno if it's been posted here, but Sakurai seemingly isn't directly working on Smash Switch.

That Stealth guy knows nothing. You shouldn't take him too seriously.

 

[Rodin]

Seems like we all forgot that Miyamoto statement about Mario being "hopefully showed" at E3 2017.

”We're always challenging ourselves to create something new, so hopefully you'll see a new kind of Mario in about a year or two... Maybe next E3 we'll be able to share something."

This interview is from 7 months ago (june), i think he would've known if the game was going to come out less than a year from the moment he made this statement about "hopefully" showing the game at E3, and i also don't think that development went so smoothly that it was suddendly ready to release 3 months before that projected time frame for the first big showing of the game (in june).

So why are we trusting insiders to this point? I'd love a new Mario at launch, but i don't think it's so unlikely that it'll be the big holiday game (well, that and Pokémon Stars). Zelda is more than enough as the "star" of the launch line up, the game looks unbelievable and hype around it is through the roof. They're not gonna have both for launch, it doesn't make any sense. Maybe Laura was just wrong about Zelda releasing in June, she said it herself that she wasn't so sure anymore about that. They'll still have Mario at launch in the Rabbids RPG.

 

[KingSnake]

My point is that there's a good chunk of people who also get 1. An average doesn't necessarily mean that everyone gets two games, but rather the average is two. There's people on the higher or lower ends of that spectrum.

And even then, there's still the issue of every other launch title being left in the dust (Ex: Skyrim, Mario x Rabbids RPG, etc.), which would have adverse effects on the Switch's future third party support.

Not everybody will buy either of them at their respective launch either. Like not everybody bought NSMBU at Wii U launch. It doesn't matter, whoever wants Zelda will get Zelda at launch or later. Whoever wants Mario will get Mario at launch or later. Or do you want to say that because they launch together people who like those games won't get them at some point because?

As for third parties, on one hand, yes, that will kill most of their launch sales. Not that Nintendo ever cared for that.
On the other hand if the install base explodes at launch, they might still buy other games later.

The only question is if Nintendo can manage the supply to support the demand or not for Switch.

You have to consider also this perception: "I pay $250 and I can play Zelda and Mario now" vs. "I pay $250 and I can play Zelda now".

 

[sanstesy]

I love people taking Miyamoto's statements always as some sort of gospel. The reason he misdirects people in his interviews is to not spoil real surprises when they actually happen.

 

[AzaK]

So what do we think Emily's blog post will be about?

Mother 3 not coming. Zelda delayed, Skyrim Switch is a puzzle game and 2 joy con colours available and launch.

 

[Rodin]

I love people taking Miyamoto's statements always as some sort of gospel. The reason he misdirects people in his interviews is to not spoil real surprises.

Yeah maybe that's why, but i'd take Miyamoto's words as gospel before those of random insiders. Sorry.

 

[Zedark]

Seems like we all forgot that Miyamoto statement about Mario being "hopefully showed" at E3 2017.



This interview is from 7 months ago (june), i think he would've known if the game was going to come out less than a year from the moment he made this statement about "hopefully" showing the game at E3, and i also don't think that development went so smoothly that it was suddendly ready to release 3 months before that projected time frame for the first big showing of the game (in june).

So why are we trusting insiders to this point? I'd love a new Mario at launch, but i don't think it's so unlikely that it'll be the big holiday game (well, that and Pokémon Stars). Zelda is more than enough as the "star" of the launch line up, the game looks unbelievable and hype around it is through the roof. They're not gonna have both for launch, it doesn't make any sense. Maybe Laura was just wrong about Zelda releasing in June, she said it herself that she wasn't so sure anymore about that. They'll still have Mario at launch in the Rabbids RPG.

"A new kind of Mario". The Mario we have seen doesn't strike me as some unique, new Mario, but rather a fairly traditional platformer Mario game. And besides that, Miyamoto has a bit of a record of flat out lying about stuff. I personally don't take that statement as in any way referring to this Mario game that was shown in the reveal trailer.

 

[oti]

People shouldn't take Miyamoto's words so seriously. Remember when he denied a new 3DS was in the works two weeks before the New 3DS got announced? He's not mean or anything, it's just a Japanese business thing.

Mother 3 not coming. Zelda delayed, Skyrim Switch is a puzzle game and 2 joy con colours available and launch.

I'm ok with this.

 

[KingSnake]

Seems like we all forgot that Miyamoto statement about Mario being "hopefully showed" at E3 2017.

Are we talking about the same Miyamoto who said:

I really feel like I'm satisfied with the 3DS hardware as it is. I feel like it's the best for this generation. What we're thinking about right now is probably going to be for a future generation of handheld.

when asked about a new rumoured 3ds model that was actually announced some days later at E3?

Miyamoto is as much of a PR machine as Reggie, but we don't get to hear him in English.

 

[Akki]

1) People giving Skyrim too much attention. It´s a 5 year old game.

2) No one cares about the rumored new IP

3) Mario Rabbid Crossover and the new 3D Mario would mean 2 Mario games at launch. I dont think this ever happened.

4) Zelda localisation rumor sounds strange. BOTW was already delayed twice and localisation has been ongoing for a long time (at least at NOA).

#TeamZelda

 

[sanstesy]

Yeah maybe that's why, but i'd take Miyamoto's words as gospel before those of random insiders. Sorry.

We already saw footage of the new Mario game 3 months ago. His word has already been broken if you didn't notice.

More importantly, new Mario releasing at launch more than perfectly lines up with the release schedule of 3D Mario games and EAD Tokyo.

 

[LordKano]

We should be thankful to Miyamoto, I almost believed these nasty insiders who told me about some "3DS XL" bizarre stuff. But Miyamoto denied it and it absolutely wasn't announced literally the next day.

 

[Neoxon]

Not everybody will buy either of them at their respective launch either. Like not everybody bought NSMBU at Wii U launch. It doesn't matter, whoever wants Zelda will get Zelda at launch or later. Whoever wants Mario will get Mario at launch or later. Or do you want to say that because they launch together people who like those games won't get them at some point because?

As for third parties, on one hand, yes, that will kill most of their launch sales. Not that Nintendo ever cared for that.
On the other hand if the install base explodes at launch, they might still buy other games later.

The only question is if Nintendo can manage the supply to support the demand or not for Switch.

You have to consider also this perception: "I pay $250 and I can play Zelda and Mario now" vs. "I pay $250 and I can play Zelda now".

My point is that even if they have decent legs, both launching together won't be as beneficial for either game in terms of sales. Battlefield 1 & Titanfall 2 releasing so close to each other is proof of this.

As for the third party games, they may not have very long legs, especially for games like Skyrim which are basically late ports of the remastered version. Of course, Skyrim has typically sold well regardless, so maybe it'll be fine. But that still leaves the issue of the Mario x Rabbids cross over.

 

[KingSnake]

But that still leaves the issue of the Mario x Rabbids cross over.

ZombiU sends its regards together with how much Nintendo cares about anything than 1st party sales.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

You people are crazy lol..

"Two games with Mario on launch is fine"

"Uh oh Zelda and Skyrim at launch is a mistake!"

 

[Neoxon]

ZombiU sends its regards together with how much Nintendo cares about anything than 1st party sales.

Which is something Nintendo needs to avoid for the Switch if they want semi-respectable third party support. Overshadowing everyone with two of your biggest guns is a sure-fire way to scare off third party publishers & cut into the profits of the two guns in question.

1) People giving Skyrim too much attention. It´s a 5 year old game.

2) No one cares about the rumored new IP

3) Mario Rabbid Crossover and the new 3D Mario would mean 2 Mario games at launch. I dont think this ever happened.

4) Zelda localisation rumor sounds strange. BOTW was already delayed twice and localisation has been ongoing for a long time (at least at NOA).

#TeamZelda

If you want to get technical, Nintendo never actually committed to March 2017. Even on their website, it's only vaguely listed as "2017". So even if the game doesn't launch until June, it wouldn't technically be a delay (even if they were internally aiming for March).

 

[Plum]

Is anyone else deliberating on selling their Wii U after the presentation? Frankly I haven't touched the console since near the beginning of the year and all I have left to finish is Bayonetta 2. If the rumours are true and Mario Kart, Smash, XCX and Splatoon actually are all coming to the Switch then the games I might have wanted to return to in the future will be released on another console as well. Just doesn't seem like a console I'm going to want to keep around.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

BF1 and titanfall are like the same genre by the same publishers release with a bunch of other similar games.

Zelda and Mario is far from it.

 

[J@hranimo]

Is anyone else deliberating on selling their Wii U after the presentation? Frankly I haven't touched the console since near the beginning of the year and all I have left to finish is Bayonetta 2. If the rumours are true and Mario Kart, Smash, XCX and Splatoon actually are all coming to the Switch then the games I might have wanted to return to in the future will be released on another console as well. Just doesn't seem like a console I'm going to want to keep around.

Hell no, selling consoles when the next one comes out is dumb (unless you need quick money or something).

 

[sanstesy]

You people are crazy lol..

"Two games with Mario on launch is fine"

"Uh oh Zelda and Skyrim at launch is a mistake!"

What don't you get? One example entails two games that satisfy two different genre and one where both satisfy the same genre with one game having the clear advantage.

 

[Neoxon]

Is anyone else deliberating on selling their Wii U after the presentation? Frankly I haven't touched the console since near the beginning of the year and all I have left to finish is Bayonetta 2. If the rumours are true and Mario Kart, Smash, XCX and Splatoon actually are all coming to the Switch then the games I might have wanted to return to in the future will be released on another console as well. Just doesn't seem like a console I'm going to want to keep around.

I still have the Bayonetta games, The Wonderful 101, and HD ports of Wind Waker & TP to go back to (among other games). With that in mind, I'm probably gonna keep my Wii U (especially now that its value is going up).

 

[Joegrine_TT]

This is good news, very good news

https://twitter.com/NinEverything/status/815555748797124608/photo/1

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

What don't you get? One example entails two games that satisfy two different genre and one where both satisfy the same genre with one game having the clear advantage.

I just dont think its issue yall making it out to be

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Is anyone else deliberating on selling their Wii U after the presentation?

I haven't used mine in month, but we're keeping it for Wii Fit. My fiance uses it some, and I may start using it again a little for the yoga.

Hell no, selling consoles when the next one comes out is dumb (unless you need quick money or something).

Meh. I sell/trade mine as I don't like the clutter and pretty much never replay things. There's always emulation years later if I get the itch to replay something, and even then my emulators rarely get touched. I'd rather just spend my limited time trying to keep up with current games as I enjoy those more.

 

[sanstesy]

I just dont think its issue yall making it out to be

It is an issue and publishers will make a big issue out of it when Nintendo doesn't act accordingly. It's simple business.

 

[Neoxon]

This is good news, very good news

https://twitter.com/NinEverything/status/815555748797124608/photo/1

Hopefully that includes Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite & Tekken 7.

 

[TDLink]

It is an issue and publishers will make a big issue out of it when Nintendo doesn't act accordingly. It's simple business.

It'd be an issue maybe if this third party game was something brand new, but Skyrim is over 5 years old. No one should be realistically expecting it to do gangbusters regardless of it launching against Zelda or not.

 

[jmizzal]

This is good news, very good news

https://twitter.com/NinEverything/status/815555748797124608/photo/1

What Unreal games are coming out or just came out?

 

[oti]

Is anyone else deliberating on selling their Wii U after the presentation? Frankly I haven't touched the console since near the beginning of the year and all I have left to finish is Bayonetta 2. If the rumours are true and Mario Kart, Smash, XCX and Splatoon actually are all coming to the Switch then the games I might have wanted to return to in the future will be released on another console as well. Just doesn't seem like a console I'm going to want to keep around.

Sold it mid-December and the amount of money I got out of it was ridiculous. I made more money with a used Wii U than a new Xbox One S costs here in Germany.

 

[Hieberrr]

Got $150 saved up for my Switch fund. I am (presumably) half way there! I am so excited for the 12th.

 

[sanstesy]

It'd be an issue maybe if this third party game was something brand new, but Skyrim is over 5 years old. No one should be realistically expecting it to do gangbusters regardless of it launching against Zelda or not.

Yes, Skyrim was also 5 years old when it released this year on PS4/XBO and sold extremely well. It won't do gangbusters but it is supposed to be a good success. That's the reason why they release it on the Switch in the first place. And Zelda will cut into it sales hard when both release simultaneously as it always has been the case.

 

[Plum]

Hell no, selling consoles when the next one comes out is dumb (unless you need quick money or something).

I've never held much attachment to consoles if there aren't any games I want to play on them; now with storage and money concerns surrounding Uni I think I'd much rather get some decent money than keep a piece of plastic I don't use around. Though I will definitely wait until the value goes up and until I've completed my Wii U backlog.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

It'd be an issue maybe if this third party game was something brand new, but Skyrim is over 5 years old. No one should be realistically expecting it to do gangbusters regardless of it launching against Zelda or not.

Right..

3rd party released games on Wii U that had no affect regardless what games Nintendo released.

They aint release nothing in the begining anyway lol

 

[Rodin]

People shouldn't take Miyamoto's words so seriously. Remember when he denied a new 3DS was in the works two weeks before the New 3DS got announced? He's not mean or anything, it's just a Japanese business thing.

Not that the projected showing or release date of a game and the actual release of a new hardware revision of a model you're already selling are the same thing, but i didn't know that.

Maybe he should've said "nah brehs don't buy the 3DS XL, wait for the revision we'll release in a month!"

We already saw footage of the new Mario game 3 months ago. His word has already been broken if you didn't notice.

You mean those 3 seconds in a trailer about their new machine? Totally the same thing as an E3 showing!

More importantly, new Mario releasing at launch more than perfectly lines up with the release schedule of 3D Mario games and EAD Tokyo.

That depends on a lot of different things, it's not like there's some rule about Mario always coming out every 3 years. It happened, that doesn't necessarily mean it needs to 100% happen again.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Actually, Splatoon may very well be the pack-in game for the Deluxe Bundle. There's really no use in bundling a game like Mario that's guaranteed to sell on its own. At least in Splatoon's case, it's an enhanced port.

As for having both Mario & Zelda on Day 1, on top of the potential for both to eat into each other's profits, there's also the issue with those two overshadowing every single third party game in the Switch's launch line-up (which could land the Switch in a similar situation as the Wii U as far as third party support is concerned later down the road).

Potential is the right word here. It's about short term versus long term potential. Launching with both Mario and Zelda could hurt short term software sales, but it would move more hardware. It's not really about how much software you sell at launch, it's about how much software you sell overall. Every extra Switch they sell is another potential software sale for Mario Kart and Pokemon down the line. It also helps 3rd Parties in the long run. At the end of the day, they are going to respond to install base more than anything else.

Nintendo is sitting at the poker table short stacked. They have been playing super conservatively protecting that stack for over a year. They need to pick their time to go all in and the Switch launch is as good of an opportunity as they are going to get.

 

[LordKano]

What Unreal games are coming out or just came out?

Tekken 7 is the next big one I think.
Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 too.

 

[Plum]

What Unreal games are coming out or just came out?

Tekken 7 is the next big one I think.
Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 too.

There's also Shenmue 3, FFVIIr and Kingdom Hearts 3. We can also assume that there's a bunch of unannounced titles on the engine we don't know about yet.

 

[Neoxon]

What Unreal games are coming out or just came out?

Not counting console exclusives like Street Fighter V & Gears of War 4...

• Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite
• Tekken 7
• Injustice 2 (albeit a modified version of UE3)
• Guilty Gear Xrd -REVELATOR- (albeit a heavily modified version of UE3)
• Batman: Return to Arkham
• Dragon Quest XI (PS4 version)
• Final Fantasy VII Remake
• Kingdom Hearts III
• Kingdom Hearts 2.8 HD

...& those are just off the top of my head.

Got $150 saved up for my Switch fund. I am (presumably) half way there! I am so excited for the 12th.

I'm at around $230 for my Switch savings. Counting tax, I'm about $100 away from being able to afford the rumored price tag for the Deluxe Bundle.

 

[AquaWateria]

I'd kill for the Kingdom Hearts HD remasters to be on Switch. I would double dip.

But it probably won't happen........

 

[sanstesy]

You mean those 3 seconds in a trailer about their new machine? Totally the same thing as an E3 showing!

So they will show it off at E3 2017 and completely skip it at the Switch conference next after teasing it in the reveal trailer? I mean you can still continue to take his word but you just look silly af.

That depends on a lot of different things, it's not like there's some rule about Mario always coming out every 3 years. It happened, that doesn't necessarily mean it needs to 100% happen again.

Actually they came out more or less every two years in the past, so even three years is stretching it. And yes, tendency is usually a pretty good way to gauge when a major release for a series will happen.

 

[Zalman]

Tekken 7 is an easy guess, I think. I also think Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite will happen.

 

[Neoxon]

Tekken 7 is an easy guess, I think. I also think Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite will happen.

While I'm pretty confident about Tekken 7 coming to the Switch (namely due to Bandai Namco's great relationship with Nintendo), I'm not gonna get my hopes up for Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite (namely to prevent any potential disappointment). But as mentioned numerous times in the past, MvCI coming to the Switch would allow for the January 12th event to have some new character reveals on-stage, which I would be more than down for.

 

[jmizzal]

Not counting console exclusives like Street Fighter V & Gears of War 4...

• Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite
• Tekken 7
• Injustice 2 (albeit a modified version of UE3)
• Guilty Gear Xrd -REVELATOR- (albeit a heavily modified version of UE3)
• Batman: Return to Arkham
• Dragon Quest XI (PS4 version)
• Final Fantasy VII Remake
• Kingdom Hearts III
• Kingdom Hearts 2.8 HD

...& those are just off the top of my head.

All those Japanses games will likely come to Switch

Also Batman should prob come WiiU got two batman games
And Injustice 2 might come WiiU got the first one
WB will want some games out, and if they are Unreal games it would be an easy port

 

[Zalman]

While I'm pretty confident about Tekken 7 coming to the Switch (namely due to Bandai Namco's great relationship with Nintendo), I'm not gonna get my hopes up for Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite (namely to prevent any potential disappointment). But as mentioned numerous times in the past, MvCI coming to the Switch would allow for the January 12th event to have some new character reveals on-stage, which I would be more than down for.

I think it makes too much sense for Capcom. Nintendo fans love their characters and they know it. I think Switch is going to have to bomb hard for it to not happen. But you never know.

 

[Neoxon]

All those Japanses games will likely come to Switch

Also Batman should prob come WiiU got two batman games
And Injustice 2 might come WiiU got the first one
WB will want some games out, and if they are Unreal games it would be an easy port

Tekken 7, sure. But I'm not too sure about MvCI, FFVII, or the Kingdom Hearts games.

 

[Rodin]

So they will show it off at E3 2017 and completely skip it at the Switch conference next after teasing it in the reveal trailer? I mean you can still continue to take his word but you just look silly af.

No i'm sure they'll show it at the event, but that doesn't mean the game will release at launch. There's a difference between saying "we'll show it at E3" and then showing it a few months before, and releasing it before E3.

Then hey, you think i'll be sad if that happens? Lol

Actually they came out more or less every two years in the past, so even three years is stretching it. And yes, tendency is usually a pretty good way to gauge when a major release for a series will happen.

Yeah sure like Mario Galaxy came out 2 years after Sunshine, or Sunshine came out 2 years after 64. Oh wait

It's absolutely not possible that if they're making a completely new kind of experience (maybe with those bigger, open levels we've heard from the insiders you take as gospel) they'll need a bit more time to release the game, compared to a bigger 3D Land or a new Galaxy with the addition of Yoshi and a few concepts that they couldn't use in the first one.