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So, when do you expect PS5 and the Xbox One successor tba? And what specs?

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PeterLegend

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I keep seeing people post about how ps4/xbox one is underpowered but keep forgetting theyre targeting $399 price points at launch (minus kinect).

Theyre definitely not selling at a loss. I cant see them including 2 TB harddrives either.
 
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Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
PeterLegend said:
I keep seeing people post about how ps4/xbox one is underpowered but keep forgetting theyre targeting $399 price points at launch (minus kinect).

Theyre definitely not selling at a loss. I cant see them including 2 TB harddrives either.
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in 2 years and 9 months time, 2TB HDD's will be cheap as feck.
 
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Canucked

Member
PS5 - 2022. 4K 5TB. VR focus. Only new controller change is there are more lights! Oh and the touchpad is super fancy.

Launch titles:
Last of Us collection
Gran turismo Sport epilogue
Final Fantasy VII Episode 1 demo

XBox Capricorn 2022 (December, duh)
OMG it's almost the exact same specs as the PS5!
It comes with that weird super controller for hardcore players standard.

Launch titles:
Xbox will have no more studios. System only plays minecraft.
 
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kyser73

Member
SKY EYES said:
I think the big 2 are done with traditional generation as we once known it. Nintendo on the other hand if they survive after the switch.
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You think this despite Cerny's comments about the value of true generational leaps in performance?

Going by Cerny's comments, PS5 will be in the 12-15TF range for overall performance. My guess is they will optimise design around performance for VR, and there will be a lot of the kinds of baked in hardware functions seen on the Pro to free up more bandwidth for software.

Memory will be 16 or 24gb, with a 2TB HDD as stock, possibly a small SSD for OS functions.

I think that like the Pro, the PS5 will appear to be 'stock' at first glance, with a lot of customisation on the SOC.

There may even be a separate SKU without an optical drive. Probably not at launch, but I fully expect Sony and MS to trial at least one fully digital model, possibly as a limited edition.

Also - Death Stranding will be a launch title.

2019 for Sony.
 
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Zen Aku

Member
Holidays 2020 at the earliest. More likely 2021.

Either way, I know I'm most likely not going to buy a launch console. Nope. Will wait for the revision.
 
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Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
The difference between generational hardware is the ability to create software to take advantage of that hardware 100%.

That's essentially what it boils down to.

Pro was never created for that purpose, Scorpio is not created for that purpose. With the dumping of jaguar, adoption of fast memory and much stronger GPU power and more advanced architecture, PS5 will be made for that purpose.
 
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kyser73

Member
Inuhanyou said:
The difference between generational hardware is the ability to create software to take advantage of that hardware 100%.

That's essentially what it boils down to.

Pro was never created for that purpose, Scorpio is not created for that purpose. With the dumping of jaguar, adoption of fast memory and much stronger GPU power and more advanced architecture, PS5 will be made for that purpose.
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I also take Cerny's at his word about Pro being a kind of commercial experimentation & proving platform for studios to migrate to 4K asset production & rendering methodologies. By insisting on full base compatibility it means developing Pro features is 'buffered' by the huge pool of buyers for base model games.

This way, when they start developing for PS5 there will already be a skills base, tool sets, project management processes & awareness of timeframes to complete things that will make transferring to the new model easier than the jump to HD.
 
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TheBowen

Sat alone in a boggy marsh
I'd like it at late 2021, maybe 2020 at the latest

Specs will be a bit higher to accommodate for 4K and VR, but I doubt graphic fidelity will get much higher tbh
 
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FunkyPajamas

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Vashetti said:
Is it likely PS5 will keep compatibility with PS4 games?
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This is what I want the most to be honest. Now that the OS in the PS4 seems good enough, I say keep building on top of that and make sure the console is fully backwards compatible at least for the next two generations.

I also second the opinion that we will likely see the PS5 on/after 2019.

I'm not sure about specs but whatever they can fit in the box for 399USD, I guess.
 
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TyMiles2012

Member
My guess is

PS5 and the next Xbox in 2020. Not entirely on topic, but Nintendo will probably go a little longer, or maybe even sooner if the Switch is going to go for upgradability as a brand. Hard to predict from them since the Switch is a very bold move, but they always followed their own generation time line.

Vashetti said:
Is it likely PS5 will keep compatibility with PS4 games?
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Honestly, maybe not unless it's digital only. It's hard to guess because of how slow BluRays are. They can't keep up.
 
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Unknown Soldier

Member
The Xbox One successor is the Scorpio. I fully expect MS to attempt a relaunch with a lot of advertising spending.

If the Scorpio flops, I also fully expect MS to decide there will never be an Xbox Two. They've lost billions on Xbox over the years and it's clear at this point that Xbox does nothing for them in terms of extending the Windows monopoly. So they'll probably just cut it loose if Scorpio isn't at least a moderate success.
 
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Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
TheBowen said:
I'd like it at late 2021, maybe 2020 at the latest

Specs will be a bit higher to accommodate for 4K and VR, but I doubt graphic fidelity will get much higher tbh
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There's always better if CGI is the ceiling!
 
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LelouchZero

Member
CPU: 6-16 Zen cores or it's successor/alternative.
GPU: 33.6 FP32 TF, 67.2 FP16 TF
Memory: 24-64GB
Release: 2020-2022

FP32 capabilities is roughly 18x more powerful than the PS4 and 8x more powerful than the PS4 Pro.
FP16 capabilities is roughly 36x more powerful than the PS4.

CPU: 4-8 Zen cores or it's successor/alternative.
GPU: 25 FP32 TF, 50 FP16 TF
Memory: 24-48GB
Release: 2019-2020

FP32 capabilities is roughly 13x more powerful than the PS4 and 6x more powerful than the PS4 Pro.
FP16 capabilities is roughly 27x more powerful than the PS4.

EDIT - 8:32AM 07/02/2017

I think I may be wrong about the Teraflops, the architectures they're going to be using in the next generation consoles may be significantly different than the current Polaris and previous GCN GPUs, so you may not be able to compare the Teraflops so well, or maybe you will? Such is the fun of speculation! :D

Revised Specs

CPU: 6-16 Zen/Zen+ cores or it's successor/alternative.
GPU: 25+ FP32 TF, 50+ FP16 TF
Memory: 24-64GB GDDR5X/GDDR6/HBM2+
Release: 2020-2022

GPUs are over 10x more powerful than the PS4 and over 6x more powerful than the PS4 Pro.

CPU: 4-8 Zen/Zen+ cores or it's successor/alternative.
GPU: 16+ FP32 TF, 32+ FP16 TF
Memory: 24-48GB GDDR5X/GDDR6/HBM2+
Release: 2019-2020

GPUs are over 8x more powerful than the PS4 and over 4x more powerful than the PS4 Pro.
 
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Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
Renekton said:
What are the chances PS5X2 use Tegra?
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A mobile chipset is always going to be weaker than a cut down desktop variant paired into an APU. Things have narrowed because of silicon limitations bringing up the lower end as the higher end relatively stagnates, but once we get past silicon, another explosion similar to the one in the 70s takes place.
 
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Mike Golf

Member
I fully expect Scorpio to end up being Microsoft's next gen system. The gap in performance seems like it's going to be so huge that they'll drop the One unceremoniously 6 months or so after it launches. As historicql precedence, although of course not touted as an "upgrade" the 360 launched 4 years after the first Xbox just as the Scorpio will.

For the Playstation I'm thinking 2018 if Scorpio sales force their hands, 2019 if they still feel comfortable.
 
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GodofWine

Member
Isnt the jump in power from xb1 to Scorpio basically worthy of calling it the next gen of xb? Xb1 is less powerful tham a ps4, Scorpio is easily more powerful than a pro.

Im a fan of long console gens so im more than happy to wait for a ps5 in 2020.
 
EGOMON

EGOMON

Member
I firmly believe that Scorpio is XBO successor MS saying no one let behind and all that jizz is just to not piss their fans, yes they will support XBO initially then they will drop it and start releasing Scorpio exclusives.

As for Sony PS5 seems a lock for 2020 the latest
 
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Lady Gaia

Member
99Luffy said:
16gb ram really?

I expect 32-64gb.
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Bottlenecks change as architectures evolve, and that correspondingly moves where investments are likely to occur. The amount of physical RAM has been a pretty big bottleneck in prior generations so it was a natural place to focus. There days, though?

Memory bandwidth is probably the #1 limiting factor. Higher bandwidth memory solutions that look plausible for that timeframe are all on-package, which will be more expensive and more of a problem from a thermal management perspective. I expect to see slower growth as a result. It's also worth noting that unless primary storage access speeds pick up dramatically, actually loading 4-8x as much content into memory would mean load times 4-8x as long, which would be intolerable. Again, a reason to focus on other areas of improvement.

None of this is a guarantee, of course. There's plenty of room for surprises or more exotic memory architectures, but the most likely scenario is following current trends and paying attention to shifting bottlenecks. That has been a reliable indicator for a lot of the disruptive shifts in technology to date (memory bandwidth limitations and exploding transistor counts led inevitably to x86's recovery against RISC architectures, and the shift to mobile devices where power consumption is paramount has reversed that trend.)
 
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heathen

Member
PS5 fall 2019. TSMC and GF seem confident that 7nm will be ready by then (2020 if it's not).
- 8 core/16 thread Zen+
- ~14 Tf (10 is too conservative for 28->7nm imo)
- 24-32Gb HBM2 or GDDR6
- HDMI 2.1 (~40 fps becomes the new 30)

Though I don't think Sony ”reacts" to Microsoft's moves generally, launching in 2019 puts MS in an obviously uncomfortable position.
 
Jaguar Victory

Jaguar Victory

Member
xviper said:
PS4 in 2019 or 2020

there won't be a new Xbox, the system is dead
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LOL - wait, you're serious?

Also, what is so hard to understand about no clear generations going forward? I keep seeing people argue over whether it's a "half step" or a "full step". It's a step. That's all there will be going forward I think; Steps. I'm excited about being able to play my old games on my new system still and potentially get some benefits in case of unlocked resolutions or frame rates. We will get new systems when technology allows a big enough and cost effective jump. My take at least.
 
Hazelhurst

Hazelhurst

Member
I would say it would be at least 2021 or 2022 at the earliest. We've never had a hardware refresh like the Pro/Scorpio. So it's a bit murkier to predict the next gen.
 
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SolarMystic

Member
They need to be launched by the end of 2019.

I have a feeling this gen will not have the legs of last gen. Besides, by 2019 the consoles would have been on the market for 6 years.

Off the shelf PC parts may make for easy development, but they are already struggling.
 
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LelouchZero

Member
Lady Gaia said:
Bottlenecks change as architectures evolve, and that correspondingly moves where investments are likely to occur. The amount of physical RAM has been a pretty big bottleneck in prior generations so it was a natural place to focus. There days, though?

Memory bandwidth is probably the #1 limiting factor. Higher bandwidth memory solutions that look plausible for that timeframe are all on-package, which will be more expensive and more of a problem from a thermal management perspective. I expect to see slower growth as a result. It's also worth noting that unless primary storage access speeds pick up dramatically, actually loading 4-8x as much content into memory would mean load times 4-8x as long, which would be intolerable. Again, a reason to focus on other areas of improvement.

None of this is a guarantee, of course. There's plenty of room for surprises or more exotic memory architectures, but the most likely scenario is following current trends and paying attention to shifting bottlenecks. That has been a reliable indicator for a lot of the disruptive shifts in technology to date (memory bandwidth limitations and exploding transistor counts led inevitably to x86's recovery against RISC architectures, and the shift to mobile devices where power consumption is paramount has reversed that trend.)
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HBM could be a viable memory technology to use for the future, it's really fast and by 2019-2022 they'll probably be GPUs with 16-24GB of HBM memory, or another capable alternative memory technology.

This could potentially be an indicator of such memory capacities being feasible and affordable for consoles to utilize in the future. New technologies could also pop up as-well like you mentioned, as-well as newer GDDR memory technology.

For a 2019 release 16GB of HBM2 or a capable alternative would be very plausible to see, 24-32GB of high-speed memory is what I'd be hoping for though.
 
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pa22word

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I thought hbm was totally off the cards for consoles due to how power hungry it is? It's the main reason why Nvidia hasn't done anything with it yet.

You just can't have laptop level tdp and hbm. It really wouldn't shock me if they go with gddr6 or something because of it.
 
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Lagspike_exe

Member
2019, possibly 2020 for PS5 when 7nm becomes viable. Zen and Navi looking like the most suitable candidates, probably at 12-15 TFLOPS. Unless something really cool appears that would give a better bang for the buck (or pee watt). HBM and SSDs are a wild card.

Xbox, I have no idea. If they launch in 2019, Scorpio will be left out in dust. 2020. I could see with similar specs to PS5. And 2021 tech wise is hard to predict, we don't have chipmaker plans post 2020.

On the other hand, these things are hard to predict. Back in 2009 (4 years since gen launched) I don't think anyone predicted we'll have 2 consoles running the same CPU/GPU architecture. Hell, a next gen Cell for PS4 didn't look outlandish. 8GB of GDDR5 looked like a pipe dream at best, even in early 2013.
HDMI 2.1 (or whatever comes next) is a lock and it's going to be a huge, for hardcore gamers at least.
 
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c0de

Member
Decarb said:
16GB RAM in 2020?

Hehehehe we learned nothing from past predictions.
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What should we learn? That the multiplication factor will be the same as it was before? Then you don't know about tech and how it evolved in recent years.
 
Bitch Pudding

Bitch Pudding

Member
Inuhanyou said:
in 2 years and 9 months time, 2TB HDD's will be cheap as feck.
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hanspampel said:
When the ps5 comes out SSDs will be cheap. I hope at least some premium skus will include one.

$399 regular 1tb modell
$449 regular 3tb modell
$499 750gb ssd modell

Something like that
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Lol.

Seriously, do you guys really believe that a company which stripped away the optical output to save 5 Cent per console is going to implement a SSD drive? Not gonna happen. Not in a market environment where price - and the ability to reduce it down the line - are crucial.

Yes, they'll become cheaper by the day, but they'll still be much more expensive than regular ones.
 
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pa22word

Member
c0de said:
What should we learn? That the multiplication factor will be the same as it was before? Then you don't know about tech and how it evolved in recent years.
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Not to mention the trend is that console advances are getting slower (ps4 and x1 were the weakest consoles ever released being outclassed by years old pcs, x360 was merely on par with high end, etc) makes it not too unrealistic to guess that when they do come out not to set yourself up for disappointment.
 
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CouchMaster

Member
c0de said:
What should we learn? That the multiplication factor will be the same as it was before? Then you don't know about tech and how it evolved in recent years.
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And the people predicting 12-16GB RAM knows how the tech will evolve in next 4 years? Of all the things people predicted in the past, RAM size has been so hilariously wrong that I have no doubt it'll same again. Maybe not same as 2011 GAF thread that said 2GB in PS4 was a stretch, but still wrong.
 
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ffvorax

Member
PS5

Fall 2019 or Spring 2020, not before.

Price 399-499€

Specs-> Integrated VR power, 4k support

New Vita? (pretty pleaseeee)

XBOX (new?)
I don't know if with scorpion coming out this end of the year it make so much sense a new console... it depends on the power i guess?
 
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Muscle Wizard

Banned
Will Microsoft launch a new console so quickly after the Scorpio? From the E3 presentation they made it sound like they intend for the Scorpio to be a pseudo upgrade, with it playing Xbox One games and Scorpio games but an Xbox One can't necessarily play a game suited solely for the Scorpio.
 
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