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Denuvo responds to lightning quick Resident Evil 7 PC crack

Austrian company Denuvo has enjoyed unprecedented success against PC game piracy with games going uncracked for months - a feat seemingly impossible a few years ago. Notorious hacking group 3DM even predicted the end of PC game piracy altogether.

Denuvo's secret weapon is its Anti-Tamper technology, which shields a game's DRM and stops it being tampered with.

But there's been an upset: Resident Evil 7 has been cracked on PC and within only a week of launch. Are chinks in Denuvo's impervious armour beginning to show?

"Please note that we always position our Anti-Tamper solution as hard to crack, not as uncrackable," Denuvo marketing director Thomas Goebl told me. "So far only one piracy group has been able to bypass it.

"As always, we continue working to improve our solution to create security updates for upcoming Anti-Tamper versions. We will do the same with the learning from this bypass. It's correct that the title in question was cracked some days after release. Given the fact that every unprotected title is cracked on the day of release - as well as every update of games - our solution made a difference for this title."

More at the link, including nixing the talk about deals if Denuvo fails to work.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...s-to-lightning-quick-resident-evil-7-pc-crack

Pirate me if old.
 
It'll certainly have an impact but not that large tbh. The people who are willing to wait for months for a cracked version were probably either not gonna buy this ever or will have waited for a very high discount.
 

Ethranes

Member
I don't think it affects sales, if people want to priate something, it's unlikely that they would buy it instead if it's not available due to DRM
 

Mifec

Member
Stock reply, nothing to see here, can't really expect them to say anything anyway.

I don't think it affects sales, if people want to priate something, it's unlikely that they would buy it instead if it's not available due to DRM

Yep this is the rational outlook.
 

Kazuo Hirai

I really want everyone to know how much more Titanfall 2 sold than Nioh. It was a staggering amount.
I don`t think this will impact their sales in a huge way.

You can use the steamspy compare the Russia/China market share for different games, you would find the truth
 

Kazuo Hirai

I really want everyone to know how much more Titanfall 2 sold than Nioh. It was a staggering amount.
Was there any proof that the will-buy-if-no-crack demographic is insignificant or nonexistant?

The only proof is more and more games even indie use Denuvo

I don't understand the hatred some have for denuvo. It seems to me that guaranteeing all launch window installs are purchased legally is a good thing for the industry.
It would be great if Companies would remove the DRM after that launch window, but why do we people hate them for trying to extract the most value out of their product.
I know lots of people hate Denuvo, but they are more honest ,they just don't want to pay.
The leader of the biggest pc pirate site in my country said:" You guys ask me for pirate everyday, but when you know no pirate version for Rise of Tomb Raider, you bought hundreds of thousands, you actually have money!"
 

Theonik

Member
The sooner Denuvo is cracked and we can stop this dumb anti-consumer DRM nonsense the better it is for everyone including publishers.

The only proof is more and more games even indie use Denuvo
Proof of what exactly? That publishers think DRM works? They can be wrong as they have been for decades in their fight against piracy.
 
I don't think it affects sales, if people want to priate something, it's unlikely that they would buy it instead if it's not available due to DRM

Maybe, and maybe not. It's not a hard and fast rule - some people pirate for ease, and might have simply bought it if the option wasn't presented. I don't think things like Denuvo are a good solution for piracy, but should a business really be paying for something that's cracked only a few short days after release?

While most sales these days are front loaded in the first week, some additional sales, small or big, hinged on Denuvo's service.

What's more interesting to me isn't the sales part. But how Denuvo will respond when a game gets cracked within a day or so of release.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
You can use the steamspy compare the Russia/China market share for different games, you would find the truth

Well, Inside has added around 90k sales -- from ~160k to ~250k -- since Denuvo was removed, and SteamSpy estimates that China and Russia represent just over a quarter of the game's current audience and in fact are the two leading countries, second only to the US.
 

prudislav

Member
Well its more of a Denuvo reps responded to EG's questions to make new clickbait article than actual PR statement from denuvo. Especially when they parrot the same sentences like before.
Also wouldnr really said it was lighting fast response
 

Kudo

Member
Shame a major hit like RE7 was the first one, hopefully Denuvo can come up with something clever to make it harder to crack while staying invisible to performance.
 
Well its more of a Denuvo reps responded to EG's questions to make new clickbait article than actual PR statement from denuvo. Especially when they parrot the same sentences like before.
Also wouldnr really said it was lighting fast response

If you read the OP, and the article, they actually mention the "no refund" thing, which is a central point of confusion. Secondly, it pretty much is a PR statement, since it's not like they were forced to respond to EG for commentary or anything.

And five days, when compared to games that took months to be cracked, is lightning fast in comparison. Especially for the uncrackable giant that Denuvo seemed to be.
 

Bluth54

Member
I know Valve doesn't like to hire people specifically for one task, but really they should hire some people who can make a Denuvo like system and make it an optional form of DRM for games on the Steam client (of course you would need to make the game a Steam exclusive since there would be no point in using DRM if there's a DRM free version version on other sites). I think most publishers would consider it a big value add to having their games be a Steam exclusive.
 

Teppic

Member
I know Valve doesn't like to hire people specifically for one task, but really they should hire some people who can make a Denuvo like system and make it an optional form of DRM for games on the Steam client (of course you would need to make the game a Steam exclusive since there would be no point in using DRM if there's a DRM free version version on other sites). I think most publishers would consider it a big value add to having their games be a Steam exclusive.
If they make it so that the DRM would automatically be removed after a certain time I would be behind it.
 

Trup1aya

Member
I don't understand the hatred some have for denuvo. It seems to me that guaranteeing all launch window installs are purchased legally is a good thing for the industry.

It would be great if Companies would remove the DRM after that launch window, but why do we people hate them for trying to extract the most value out of their product?
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
I know Valve doesn't like to hire people specifically for one task, but really they should hire some people who can make a Denuvo like system and make it an optional form of DRM for games on the Steam client (of course you would need to make the game a Steam exclusive since there would be no point in using DRM if there's a DRM free version version on other sites). I think most publishers would consider it a big value add to having their games be a Steam exclusive.

Valve would rather publishers continue to make an effort to actually address problematic markets as it considers piracy to be a service problem and, naturally, has the data to support this. Even RE7's region-specific pricing isn't the best -- it's actually more than USD$60 in many regions where it should be cheaper, which is exactly the sort of tone deafness that compels people to pirate.
 

spineduke

Unconfirmed Member
I don't understand the hatred some have for denuvo. It seems to me that guaranteeing all launch window installs are purchased legally is a good thing for the industry.

It would be great if Companies would remove the DRM after that launch window, but why do we people hate them for trying to extract the most value out of their product.

Because it hurts our consumer rights. Which a lot of people sadly don't seem to care about. Why should I buy something digital that will stop working at some point in the future?
 
I don't understand the hatred some have for denuvo. It seems to me that guaranteeing all launch window installs are purchased legally is a good thing for the industry.

It would be great if Companies would remove the DRM after that launch window, but why do we people hate them for trying to extract the most value out of their product.

You just asked and answered your own question.

In this case? A week is still more than good enough, although the whole "no VR on PC" thing will probably hurt sales somewhat in the long run (People would have held off I imagine). That is on Capcom though.
 

Genio88

Member
At this point i don't know if for software houses it's worth paying them for just a few days of "protection"
 

Trup1aya

Member
Because it hurts our consumer rights. Which a lot of people sadly don't seem to care about. Why should I buy something digital that will stop working at some point in the future?

Do they not have a 'right' to protect the the product that they've invested so much money in making?

Like I said, I think they should remove it when it's served its purpose (protecting launch window sales), but the existence of a reliable launch window DRM is a good thing. Publishers just need know when to turn it off.
 

Trup1aya

Member
You just asked and answered your own question.

In this case? A week is still more than good enough, although the whole "no VR on PC" thing will probably hurt sales somewhat in the long run (People would have held off I imagine). That is on Capcom though.

I don't think I did though.

I do hear some people just wanting to know that it will eventually be removed.

But I also I hear so much, 'denuvo needs to go away and totally DRM-free will immediately be much better for everyone including publishers.'

I really doubt that it true.
 

spineduke

Unconfirmed Member
Do they not have a 'right' to protect the the product that they've invested so much money in making?

Like I said, I think they should remove it when it's served its purpose (protecting launch window sales), but the existence of a reliable launch window DRM is a good thing. Publishers just need know when to turn it off.

Sure they do, as I have the right to boycott such practices. I wouldn't mind a temporary implementation but you have no guarantee of that at time of purchase. Inevitably I'll buy at time of removal.

I don't think I did though.

I do hear some people just wanting to know that it will eventually be removed.

But I also I hear so much, 'denuvo needs to go away and totally DRM-free will immediately be much better for everyone including publishers.'

I really doubt that it true.

The success and growth of the PC games market in the last ten years has very little to do with DRM. StarForce and Denuvo were the few DRM practices of significance in terms of security and they constituted a fraction of a fraction of titles on offer.
 

Deathknell

Member
At this point i don't know if for software houses it's worth paying them for just a few days of "protection"

They better spend those 100k € in games additional features.

Wanna fight piracy? Make sure your game is good, simple as that.
 

SURGEdude

Member
These are mostly the SecuROM assholes so they can get fucked. The amount of time I spent fixing that fucking malware/DRM is enough for me to hope they catastrophically fail.

Again.
 
I don't think I did though.

I do hear some people just wanting to know that it will eventually be removed.

But I also I hear so much, 'denuvo needs to go away and totally DRM-free will immediately be much better for everyone including publishers.'

I really doubt that it true.

You said it would be ok if it was removed. This is correct.

However there are no such guarantees. Until there are guarantees each time people will continue to fight it, so they are not spending money on something with an expiry date.
 

Trup1aya

Member
Sure they do, as I have the right to boycott such practices. I wouldn't mind a temporary implementation but you have no guarantee of that at time of purchase. Inevitably I'll buy at time of removal.

The success and growth of the PC games market in the last ten years has very little to do with DRM. StarForce and Denuvo were the few DRM practices of significance in terms of security and they constituted a fraction of a fraction of titles on offer.

It doesn't have to be a factor of success and growth, it just has to help them protect their product during a the key sales period.

That's like Criticising Anti-Theft devices at Walmart because they don't bring additional patrons to the store. That's not what they are intended to do.
 

Trup1aya

Member
You said it would be ok if it was removed. This is correct.

However there are no such guarantees. Until there are guarantees each time people will continue to fight it, so they are not spending money on something with an expiry date.

Reasonable, but I guess the fear is specificity will make a would be pirate patient.

I think that's an irrational concern because of how front loaded game sales are, but I wouldn't be surprised if that IS a fear publishers have .
 

SURGEdude

Member
It doesn't have to be a factor of success and growth, it just has to help them protect their product during a the key sales period.

That's like Criticising Anti-Theft devices at Walmart because they don't bring additional patrons to the store. That's not what they are intended to do.

The thing is as DRM has been reduced the market has grown. Perhaps there's a correlation, perhaps not.But having been involved with PC gamers for decades my anecdotal belief is there is a correlation.
 

spineduke

Unconfirmed Member
It doesn't have to be a factor of success and growth, it just has to help them protect their product during a the key sales period.

That's like Criticising Anti-Theft devices at Walmart because they don't bring additional patrons to the store. That's not what they are intended to do.

You're arguing with the basis that DRM is eventually removed. It's not except for the few rare handful of times.
 

Occam

Member
I would not buy a game with an expiration date built-in by Denuvo.
Glad that the console version of Resident Evil 7 is free of this DRM/malware.
 
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