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[SpiceMelange]

It has a weak narrative, but there is no lack of choices or freedom, and it has a much more diverse or at the very least well presented skill tree than previous entries in the series. It's very much an Open-World RPG with an emphasis on freedom. It's a bit action heavy, but if that's a negative then half the games they rated well also don't make sense.

I personally find that there is little matter in what you pick in dialogue choices, it all boils down to Yes(Yes), No (Yes) Sarcastic(Yes) Tell Me More(eventually Yes)

But as was mentioned above, their political opinions taint their perspectives on certain games, like how the (((SJWs))) ruined DA: I

Yeah that's true, but the opinion I'm taking is more at a macroscopic level than individual posters rating down games like DA: I for social issues and such. By macroscopic level I mean the official reviews on the site, which are really good, articles, polls / agglomerations.

 

[LegalEagleMike]

Bluntly put, I ended up hating Dorian because of it. What I though I was getting was a Tevinter mage that happened to be gay, what I got was a gay mage that happened to be from Tevinter (with the most cliche backstory you could use for a homosexual character).
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ehh I guess you are entitled to your own opinion. IMO Dorian was one of the better written Bioware characters of all time. Also he had tons of insight on Tevinter throughout the game that had nothing to do with him being gay.

 

[Killzig]

It has a weak narrative, but there is no lack of choices or freedom, and it has a much more diverse or at the very least well presented skill tree than previous entries in the series. It's very much an Open-World RPG with an emphasis on freedom. It's a bit action heavy, but if that's a negative then half the games they rated well also don't make sense.

Very few choices in Fallout 4 actually matter and the weak narrative undercuts the end game choices.

 

[Coriolanus]

But as was mentioned above, their political opinions taint their perspectives on certain games, like how the (((SJWs))) ruined DA: I

And as was replied above, the codex review manages to shit on DAI without resorting to that, so... different paths, same result?

 

[Sou Da]

To be fair, Bioware is pretty proud about their political stance and they push it pretty hard, to the determent of some of their characters imo.

Bluntly put, I ended up hating Dorian because of it. What I though I was getting was a Tevinter mage that happened to be gay, what I got was a gay mage that happened to be from Tevinter (with the most cliche backstory you could use for a homosexual character).

Also, the way they pigeon hole all their prominent female characters into their vision of a strong female character, which is just your stereotypical, no nonsense badass, is very disappointing as that's not an especially interesting archetype (male or female).

I just don't think that's true at all, everything Dorian does is for his country and his "cliche" backstory is very much wrapped in Tevinter's idea of appearance and lineage.

The female bit is something I'd expect someone who didn't play the game to say. You're very likely thinking only thinking of Cassandra and even then that's an incredibly shallow read of her character.

I don't wanna drag the thread into a sidebar though.

 

[Sinatar]

But as was mentioned above, their political opinions taint their perspectives on certain games, like how the (((SJWs))) ruined DA: I

If you take their entire userbase as a single entity then sure, but if you read the DA:I thread you'll find plenty of legitimate discussion about the game. As I said, they don't moderate their forums, so yea you'll find a lot of toxic bullshit on there (a lot), but it's still the best place on the internet to seriously discuss RPGs.

 

[Arulan]

I'd thought they would have done the same to Witcher 3 if the goal was to be contrarian / "I hate popular games" kind of stance, which happens with Bethesda titles. I think they just genuinely think F4 is a very poor role-playing experience all said and done. I personally am of that opinion, with terrible samey dialogue choices, very poor reactivity / consequences and the overall narrative.

It's always amusing when the narrative of they just hate popular games, and they hate Bethesda and BioWare is brought up when titles such as The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind and Baldur's Gate II rank are among their favorite RPGs of all time. And then you have several recent popular games like The Witcher 3, Dark Souls, and Dragon's Dogma rank so high.

Is it so hard to believe that they hate certain games because they consider them to be terrible, not some ulterior motive?

 

[Sou Da]

It's always amusing when the narrative of they just hate popular games, and they hate Bethesda and BioWare is brought up when titles such as The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind and Baldur's Gate II rank are among their favorite RPGs of all time. And then you have several recent popular games like The Witcher 3, Dark Souls, and Dragon's Dogma rank so high.

Is it so hard to believe that they hate certain games because they consider them to be terrible?

I personally don't think so but I also don't think that calling the average Codex poster a "social cripple" is anywhere out of line too. A site can have good coverage with a shit base of forumites.

If that's where all the genuine discussion is supposed to be held on "the best place to discuss rpgs" then that's what will color the general perception of them.

 

[matmanx1]

A couple of surprises for me on this list are Valkyria Chronicles ending up as high as it did (I really liked it but I don't necessarily think it's a great game) and Diablo 3 being so low (it launched bad but it's been in a much better place for well over a year now) despite the fact that it is a genuinely well designed game.

Opinions are opinions but still, I am surprised at some of the results!

 

[Nikodemos]

SR:HK is damn excellent too. Doesn't score as well as DF mostly because it didn't break the mold.

I really didn't like the switch from turn-based to real-time for the hacking skill in Hong Kong though, which is why it's the only game in the series I haven't finished.

 

[Breads]

I'd thought they would have done the same to Witcher 3 if the goal was to be contrarian / "I hate popular games" kind of stance, which happens with Bethesda titles. I think they just genuinely think F4 is a very poor role-playing experience all said and done. I personally am of that opinion, with terrible samey dialogue choices, very poor reactivity / consequences and the overall narrative.

To call it the worst though...

 

[Sinatar]

To call it the worst though...

It's a poll, it got the most negative votes.

 

[Buckle]

I just don't think that's true at all, everything Dorian does is for his country and his "cliche" backstory is very much wrapped in Tevinter's idea of appearance and lineage.

The female bit is something I'd expect someone who didn't play the game to say. You're very likely thinking only thinking of Cassandra and even then that's an incredibly shallow read of her character.

I don't wanna drag the thread into a sidebar though.

Yeah, I don't see how anyone could get that kind of impression from Cassandra after spending actual time with her ingame and getting to know her.

Spoiler

Cassandra has a ton of lighter moments, she loves romance and poetry and she can't bring herself to stop reading Varrus' trashy books as a result.

I went in expecting to hate her based on her allegiances but I actually gained a lot of respect for her and it made me abit more conflicted about some of my decisions.

She turned out to be one of my favorite Bioware characters.

 

[SpiceMelange]

To call it the worst though...

Keep in mind that's under the context of an RPG experience. F4 is certainly not the worst game I've ever played or anything like that. It's got very good production values, tons of content, etc. However as an RPG it pales to most of the games in that list.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

lmao at Fallout 4 as the worst RPG in 4 years. I'm not much of a fan of Bethesda's RPGs, but give me a fucking break.

You're right. It shouldn't even be listed, it isn't an RPG.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

If I want RPG codex's opinion on something, it's about RPGs. They are a great source for that specific subject matter. The toxicity you're talking about doesn't take that away from them IMO.

The toxicity isn't limited to political discussions. Throw out an unpopular opinion about RPG mechanics and get inundated with downvotes, then someone will call you a retard and get 15 bro-fists. Even sticking to game threads won't shield you from someone complaining about "trannies" in your role playing games and arguing the about whether or not Josh Sawyer is a "cucked SJW".

The main site's articles are typically high quality, but sometimes I don't even know why I bother discussing anything there.

 

[4Tran]

lmao at Fallout 4 as the worst RPG in 4 years. I'm not much of a fan of Bethesda's RPGs, but give me a fucking break.

It's just a quirk of the voting system. There are worse games, but fewer people played them so they didn't register as much. From just that chart, Sacred 3 scored significantly lower, with a whopping 81% of voters giving it the worst possible score, but way fewer people played that game so it didn't end up last.

 

[Renekton]

If I want RPG codex's opinion on something, it's about RPGs. They are a great source for that specific subject matter. The toxicity you're talking about doesn't take that away from them IMO. I wouldn't go in their forums and have a political discussion, but if they compile a list of RPGs I'm all ears.

Its current structure seems more conducive to herd behavior and culling of contrary opinions, like a militant subreddit.

 

[SpiceMelange]

Its current structure seems more conducive to herd behavior and culling of contrary opinions, like a militant subreddit.

I don't think there's any culling, in fact there's barely any moderation. I'm pretty sure you can shout your contrary opinion as loud as you want on the codex.

The toxicity isn't limited to political discussions. Throw out an unpopular opinion about RPG mechanics and get inundated with downvotes, then someone will call you a retard and get 15 bro-fists. Even sticking to game threads won't shield you from someone complaining about "trannies" in your role playing games and arguing the about whether or not Josh Sawyer is a "cucked SJW".

The main site's articles are typically high quality, but sometimes I don't even know why I bother discussing anything there.

I don't really want to argue with a mod, but just to make my position clearer as I said on post #51 I don't really take into account individual posters' impressions on a RPG. There's a lot of hate boners, especially on Obsidian, and freak love affair with Avelonne there. However their converged general opinion does ring with mine (as in, polls / agglomeration results like this one, or more official articles like reviews and interviews).

 

[Mattakuevan]

Really have to pick up Age of Decadence and Underrail...

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

I don't really want to argue with a mod, but just to make my position clearer as I said on post #51 I don't really take into account individual posters' impressions on a RPG. There's a lot of hate boners, especially on Obsidian, and freak love affair with Avelonne there. However their converged general opinion does ring with mine (as in, polls / agglomeration results like this one, or more official articles like reviews and interviews).

It's not against the rules to argue with a mod, btw. This isn't me making an official proclamation, it's just my opinion.

 

[Brad Grenz]

There are good things about it (especially the randomized dungeon crawler mode) but it's dragged down by its shitty interpretation of 5E character building and the extremely limited module toolkit.

It's not a terrible game to get on sale if you have people to play it with.

Yeah, Sword Coast Legends wasn't the second coming of the NWN2 toolkit people had hoped for, but I think as just a single player RPG it's pretty respectable. The character creator is really nice and I think it's a well written campaign. You need to bump up the difficulty so you don't steamroll everything, and it's a shame they'll never get to finish adding all the races and classes they planned, but I enjoyed it.

 

[thecrpgbook]

Kinda sad I go through all the trouble of putting this poll & graphs together and most of the thread is just people talking about how the Codex is evil.

 

[Almighty]

Pillars of Eternity is too low, but I was expecting that. Besides that pretty solid list.

I was surprised to see Heroine's Quest on the list as well. Anyone who loved the Quest for Glory games needs to check it out asap. Last I looked it was free, so you have nothing to lose.

 

[Arulan]

Kinda sad I go through all the trouble of putting this poll & graphs together and most of the thread is just people talking about how the Codex is evil.

Nice work as always. The consensus-cluster analysis visualization was nice touch!

 

[thecrpgbook]

BTW, what's the take people here have of the mid/late 2000's?

The Codex Consensus is that it was garbage. As I state on the article most 90's devs closed down, multi-platform became the norm, mid-sized companies vanished and we were dominated by few AAA releases.

Yet publications like PC Gamer will tell you it was a golden era, the time when "RPGs grew up" and all that, citing BioWare and Bethesda games...

What you say, GAF?

 

[Faabulous]

Just adding a bit to the discussion about RPGC not begin a good place:

Pillars is only controversial to them because of the "SJW" issues. You can't a few posts in any thread involving PoE or it's sequel on the forum without that coming up as an issue. That by itself is enough to convince me that this list is worth not very much at all.

 

[thecrpgbook]

Just adding a bit to the discussion about RPGC not begin a good place:

Pillars is only controversial to them because of the "SJW" issues. You can't a few posts in any thread involving PoE or it's sequel on the forum without that coming up as an issue. That by itself is enough to convince me that this list is worth not very much at all.

PoE was actually so controversial we had THREE different reviews about it, with people defending, attacking or being neutral about it:

What I got instead was a very badly done cargo-cult clone of Baldur’s Gate 1 that mindlessly copies all its flaws while actually dropping the things that made it work, and completely disregarding the 17 years of cRPG history that happened in the meantime.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9867

Pillars is a first, somewhat faltering step to reviving a near-stagnant genre. A few years ago, the very idea of a Baldur’s Gate 2-scope, top-down, isometric, party-based cRPG from a major studio seemed like a pipe dream. Whether this new flowering can survive between the siren song of a mass market and the grumbling of the grognards — let alone come close to making both groups happy — hangs on the followup. For some of us, Pillars delivered. Others are still waiting. The space it and the other big-ticket Kickstarters has helped clear benefits us all.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9985

Because overall we’re talking about a pretty damned good game that, were there no attachment to the IE legacy, would still easily stand on its own. This is the irony of creating art based on nostalgia, at least as far as I can tell. It is easier to get started, but the stakes are higher. You can’t just copy what came before, because that is lazy and cheap. But neither can you deviate from the core formula, because pretty soon you’re talking about a “different” game. I might be letting Obsidian off the hook a little bit, perhaps bamboozled by the trip down memory lane. But none of their errors seem unforgivable and anyway, I don't know how you can create a game based on memory and get it all right.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9913

And the main issue isn't "SJW issues", but how dull the combat & encounter design is. So maybe you have no idea of what you're talking about.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

BTW, what's the take people here have of the mid/late 2000's?

The Codex Consensus is that it was garbage. As I state on the article most 90's devs closed down, multi-platform became the norm, mid-sized companies vanished and we were dominated by few AAA releases.

Yet publications like PC Gamer will tell you it was a golden era, the time when "RPGs grew up" and all that, citing BioWare and Bethesda games...

What you say, GAF?

RPG is too broad a classification to make universal statements about it, in my opinion. The 2005-2012 period was pretty shit for RPGs in the vein of the Black Isle Studios stuff, but it was a pretty good time if you were into action RPGs and open world games.

 

[hemtae]

BTW, what's the take people here have of the mid/late 2000's?

The Codex Consensus is that it was garbage. As I state on the article most 90's devs closed down, multi-platform became the norm, mid-sized companies vanished and we were dominated by few AAA releases.

Yet publications like PC Gamer will tell you it was a golden era, the time when "RPGs grew up" and all that, citing BioWare and Bethesda games...

What you say, GAF?

I think as a more console centric place, we're more positive on RPGs from that era since that's when the crpg devs started to migrate to consoles

Just adding a bit to the discussion about RPGC not begin a good place:

Pillars is only controversial to them because of the "SJW" issues. You can't a few posts in any thread involving PoE or it's sequel on the forum without that coming up as an issue. That by itself is enough to convince me that this list is worth not very much at all.

Not really.

If that were the case it wouldn't be the most played game of the last four years on the Codex. It has more to do with the RTWP combat and the fact that Josh Sawyer freely shares his opinions on RPG design.

 

[Miletius]

because few of the people that frequent that place played it, and those few that did give it a go didn't enjoy those titles very much, for whatever reason.

Real oddity is wot is Dead State doing there, but then, that thing was jank city.

Behind all the jank Dead State is actually a fairly good game. Not an instant classic and definitely niche, but I enjoyed DS quite a bit.

Codex is a weird place. Honestly, it feels like of like an alternate bandwagon. On GAF people gravitate towards the AAA space (with subcommunities that like different niches). On Codex you kind of have a lot of supermembers that set the tone for the rest of the site. That's why I can't really get behind their list. I mean, they like Dragonfall and Underrail, so they have good taste sometimes, but they also get a really hard on hate for certain games and it often seems like the game cannot stand on it's own merits once that happens.

Edit: GAF in general likes consoles, and the late 2k's is when you really start to see Western RPG's show up on them in large numbers. It certainly took a hit on the numbers on the computer though.

 

[Faabulous]

Not really.

If that were the case it wouldn't be the most played game of the last four years on the Codex. It has more to do with the RTWP combat and the fact that Josh Sawyer freely shares his opinions on RPG design.

PoE was actually so controversial we had THREE different reviews about it, with people defending, attacking or being neutral about it:


http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9867


http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9985


http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9913

And the main issue isn't "SJW issues", but how dull the combat & encounter design is. So maybe you have no idea of what you're talking about.

Those were some really interesting reads, not shade thrown at the articles they are consistently good and well articulated, and while I'm not omniscient, "SJW" issues came up every time I lurked the actual threads discussing PoE, and those people are the ones that voted at the poll, it wasn't limited to the articulate dudes that write articles.

Also not saying nothing else is discussed, just that this is such a major part of what goes on there (even now looking at the Deadfire campaign thread) that I find it very hard to take this poll as a termometer of the industry at large.

I'll keep reading the articles tho.

 

[Elandyll]

Laughable list (particularly the "worst"), but it's a list alright.

 

[Andrew J.]

BTW, what's the take people here have of the mid/late 2000's?

The Codex Consensus is that it was garbage. As I state on the article most 90's devs closed down, multi-platform became the norm, mid-sized companies vanished and we were dominated by few AAA releases.

Yet publications like PC Gamer will tell you it was a golden era, the time when "RPGs grew up" and all that, citing BioWare and Bethesda games...

What you say, GAF?

Looking back at the release schedule, I can't really say that it was bad for RPGs as a whole. Maybe for the specific subgenres or styles most popular on Codex, but there are a number of highly regarded classics in that window, like Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout New Vegas, Persona 3 and 4, Mass Effect 1 and 2, Dragon Quest VIII and IX, Demon's Souls, and plenty of titles that are more controversial but still have very passionate fanbases, including Jade Empire, Final Fantasy XII, Dragon Age Origins and 2.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Lol, I was just finished Dragon Age Inquisition GOTY with 110 hours on the clock last night, and am about to embark on a Divinity: Original Sin Enhanced Edition.

Let's see the supposed difference between one of the worst and one of the best, then.

 

[The Wart]

BTW, what's the take people here have of the mid/late 2000's?

The Codex Consensus is that it was garbage. As I state on the article most 90's devs closed down, multi-platform became the norm, mid-sized companies vanished and we were dominated by few AAA releases.

Yet publications like PC Gamer will tell you it was a golden era, the time when "RPGs grew up" and all that, citing BioWare and Bethesda games...

What you say, GAF?

It was a painful transition period for the entire industry. Diversity of games went down across the board, RPGs were hardly unique in that regard. If you happened to enjoy the games that were being produced, you were good to go, but if you had broader tastes or loved specific niche subgenres, you had a bad time.

Its certainly not the case that the industry did not progress during this period. The open world action genre was more or less codified here, which is hugely important for (apparent) Codex darling Witcher 3. Also I think the industry as a whole learned a lot about QOL and user experience issues. Of course, this was often accompanied by a general simplification of systems, but I we're now starting to see those lessons being applied to more complex games. Whatever your opinion of Pillars of Eternity, for instance, it's UI is an astronomical improvement over the IE games. Now, if you think bashing your head against an obtuse interface is intrinsically virtuous, none of this is going to sound like progress.

Granted, I spent most of that period owning only a Wii and DS so I was pretty unaffected!

 

[LegalEagleMike]

Lol, I was just finished Dragon Age Inquisition GOTY with 110 hours on the clock last night, and am about to embark on a Divinity: Original Sin Enhanced Edition.

Let's see the supposed difference between one of the worst and one of the best, then.

Were you filled with rage for all of those 110 hours? How much did you hate the game???

 

[thecrpgbook]

Looking back at the release schedule, I can't really say that it was bad for RPGs as a whole. Maybe for the specific subgenres or styles most popular on Codex, but there are a number of highly regarded classics in that window, like Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout New Vegas, Persona 3 and 4, Mass Effect 1 and 2, Dragon Quest VIII and IX, Demon's Souls, and plenty of titles that are more controversial but still have very passionate fanbases, including Jade Empire, Final Fantasy XII, Dragon Age Origins and 2.

You listed 14 games, 6 of them are console exclusives. We're left with 8 PC games you highlighted from 2004-2012 - one per year. Of those 5 are from BioWare, the other 3 are published by Bethesda.

Here's 8 great RPGs released for PCs just in 2000, every single one from a different company:

Deus Ex
Diablo 2
Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
Icewind Dale
Might and Magic VIII: Day of the Destroyer
Evil Islands: Curse of the Lost Soul
Summoner
Wizards & Warriors

That's why people like me hate the mid/late 2000's.

 

[AWizardDidIt]

Bluntly put, I ended up hating Dorian because of it. What I though I was getting was a Tevinter mage that happened to be gay, what I got was a gay mage that happened to be from Tevinter (with the most cliche backstory you could use for a homosexual character).

This is wrong though. Almost every conversation you have with Dorian is about Tevinter politics or his love of his country. Like... 2 or 3 of his conversations involve anything about his sexuality.

 

[Renekton]

BTW, what's the take people here have of the mid/late 2000's?

The Codex Consensus is that it was garbage. As I state on the article most 90's devs closed down, multi-platform became the norm, mid-sized companies vanished and we were dominated by few AAA releases.

Yet publications like PC Gamer will tell you it was a golden era, the time when "RPGs grew up" and all that, citing BioWare and Bethesda games...

What you say, GAF?

I think it is not 2000's problem but rather our own. The late 90s era spawned the most vocal group of RPG fans that drown out a lot of RPG/RPG-lite discussions imho.

Maybe revisionist history but I don't see toooo many 80s folk reminding IE fans they had to map out moongates and mix/collect reagants for spells.

(Edit)

 

[Farks!]

RPG Codex voted for a multi-platform action-RPG? Lol.

 

[thecrpgbook]

Maybe revisionist history but I don't see toooo many 80s folk reminding IE fans they had to map out moongates and mix/collect reagants for spells

It all depends on where you lurk... there are some people like that on the Codex and the RPG Watch, and even some articles like this one from Scorpia:

Many gamers today take automapping for granted. Very likely, they couldn't imagine a product without it. We of the (cough) ”elder generation", however, know otherwise. Those who go back to the ”golden era of gaming" remember well, perhaps all too well, the joys of manual cartography.

Still, if you were gaming back in the early 80's you are almost in your 40's and hopefully have something better to do than shitpost online.

 

[shintoki]

To call it the worst though...

You mean the most played, bad game.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Here's 8 great RPGs released for PCs just in 2000, every single one from a different company:

Deus Ex
Diablo 2
Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
Icewind Dale
Might and Magic VIII: Day of the Destroyer
Evil Islands: Curse of the Lost Soul
Summoner
Wizards & Warriors

That's why people like me hate the mid/late 2000's.

I would consider the top three to be greats, but not the other five. I'm sure you wouldn't like a lot of the games that people were voting for best RPG in the years 2005-2012 however.

 

[Pacotez]

What's going on with Diablo III ? I assume it's the launch version ?

Launch and the first few months. Blizzard managed to fuck D3 even more with the balance to pander to the RMAH.
I loved the core gameplay so much but hated everything else about that game

 

[StereoVsn]

Hmm... that codex list seems pretty decent actually. I'd put up D3 higher but only after all the patches and the expansion pack, otherwise it seems fair.

I found PoE fairly bland precisely because of the combat/encounter design so Codex is not that far off. Although I got to admit that I am now playing through it again and having a better time for whatever reason. This is after patches and expansion packs.

Fallout 4 is not a good RPG. It's a pretty bad one actually. It is a decent Open World shooter with some RPG trappings and a pretty great sandbox though. I liked it for the latter but can't argue that as an RPG it's a failure.

So, don't know, the list seems to be one of the better ones out there and much better then most of stuff from IGN or PC Gamer.

 

[The Wart]

You listed 14 games, 6 of them are console exclusives. We're left with 8 PC games you highlighted from 2004-2012 - one per year. Of those 5 are from BioWare, the other 3 are published by Bethesda.

Here's 8 great RPGs released for PCs just in 2000, every single one from a different company:

Deus Ex
Diablo 2
Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
Icewind Dale
Might and Magic VIII: Day of the Destroyer
Evil Islands: Curse of the Lost Soul
Summoner
Wizards & Warriors

That's why people like me hate the mid/late 2000's.

...Summoner? Really? I feel like you're reaching a bit here.

 

[Miletius]

It all depends on where you lurk... there are some people like that on the Codex and the RPG Watch, and even some articles like this one from Scorpia:



Still, if you were gaming back in the early 80's you are almost in your 40's and hopefully have something better to do than shitpost online.

You'd be surprised. I mean, I plan on shitposting well into my 40's (I'm not even close to that now) so....

Edit: C'mon summoner wasn't bad. I mean, it was kinda a preview into what the 2000's would bring us in terms of RPG direction. Fewer characters, action RPG system, half baked plot...

 

[Arulan]

More charts!

 

[m_dorian]

Surprised to see Xenonauts there. I like this game more than the new XCom which i consider a good game and a good remake.