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If I align Pokemon XY and SunMoon sales from week 1 2014 and 2017 (after their first Christmas Sales) that's what I have:
One could argue that Pokémon X and Y had been out for 4 weeks longer than Sun and Moon at this point, and had sold more, so it's understandable why it is perforiming worse at the same point of the year.
Greninja96
Banned
If I align Pokemon XY and SunMoon sales from week 1 2014 and 2017 (after their first Christmas Sales) that's what I have:
Atrocious.
FF already shipped abour as many copies as previous entries. RE7 shiped 2.5mil say one, RE6 shipped 4. RE isnt making up the Japanese decline.
Is the reception of RE6 negative in Japan though? The physical release of the PS4 version is still charting @ No.21 on Famitsu's Top 30 ranking...
Yooooo I supposed that the first page of the thread was for the serious posts and graphs!!! I got played hahaha
So Vakyria Azure is around 75-80k, LTD with digital it will probably end up above 100k which is more or less what Shining Resonance did before.
Had the game been named Shining something instead of Valkyria it would have probably sold the exact same amount, now if they manage to have a decent showing west (100-200k across PS4/XB1/PC) I'd say using the Valkyria IP instead of Shining will end up a good choice in the short term for Sega as a whole, it brings them more money with western sales and it also brings back into light the IP before a true new project later on (which is likely after what was said in interviews and the job posts at Mediavision)
Now the only downside I can see is if they really get bad press for the title and it hurts the franchise, Internet might be very vocal about it but even if it happens if the following project is a proper game heavily tied to Vakyria Chronicles then I can't see why it wouldn't sell anyway regardless of Azure's reception.
Had the game been named Shining something instead of Valkyria it would have probably sold the exact same amount, now if they manage to have a decent showing west (100-200k across PS4/XB1/PC) I'd say using the Valkyria IP instead of Shining will end up a good choice in the short term for Sega as a whole, it brings them more money with western sales and it also brings back into light the IP before a true new project later on (which is likely after what was said in interviews and the job posts at Mediavision)
Now the only downside I can see is if they really get bad press for the title and it hurts the franchise, Internet might be very vocal about it but even if it happens if the following project is a proper game heavily tied to Vakyria Chronicles then I can't see why it wouldn't sell anyway regardless of Azure's reception.
People love blaming RE6 but it makes little sense when you consider how much both the original release and the recent HD remaster have sold.
What they should be blaming is RE7. Anyone who expected the game to perform well in Japan after shifting focus to first person and the western audience (and rebooting the story with a new cast) is nuts.
ethomaz
Banned
I used MC numbers for both... I guess the chart uses Famitsu.
ethomaz
Banned
It was... the sales was high at launch but I believe most people dropped the game and avoided RE7 because RE6.
Even the remaster just did 35k until now.
gundamkyoukai
Member
This i agree with FF is seeing growth WW and bringing in extra money with DLC , season pass etc etc .
For FFXVI they can try and win back some more Japanese sales .
RE lost sales in Japan but don't seem to be making up WW or with download content for extra cash .
Yeah, that's what I think too. I skipped RE7 because I dislike the changes Capcom made to it.
Plus it was way too scary for me... D:
The remaster was initially a digital only release and just got a physical version recently. And RE6 is the best selling among the 3 titles.
Fire Emblem Heroes managed to surpass Monster Strike today and get up to #2 on the Top Grossing charts in Japan.
If it gets to number one, that would be one of the most successful launches in ages. I actually can't remember the last time a new mobile game did this that quickly prior to Pokemon Go.
If it gets to number one, that would be one of the most successful launches in ages. I actually can't remember the last time a new mobile game did this that quickly prior to Pokemon Go.
Dragon Ball Z: Dokkan Battle. That game was a slow but steady climb into being a gigantic hit. Namco has been on fire lately in mobile in general.
Remaster is sitting at 750k WW though.
Jawbreaker
Member
Eh, if losing sales in Japan is what it took to reinvigorate the series with a fantastic entry, it was well worth it.
DriftingSpirit
Member
That ties into my second statement. Expectations obviously aren't the same.
I doubt Capcom's investors feel the same.
Next up Monster Hunter: The Movie: The Game for PS4(/XBO/PC).
ArkhamFantasy
Member
I agree, Resident Evil 8 will benefit from the strong reception of 7, it got people excited for Resident Evil again. As opposed to 6 which made people not want to bother with the series anymore.
You mean losing sales in all markets right?
Gotdatmoney
Member
When is this fan fiction about RE7 reinvigorating the series after Re6 going to end? It is the next mainline entry after the second best selling title in the series. It is going to see a significant drop. What interest did it reinvigorate? It sure as hell wasn't sales interest.
but the roots
If I align Pokemon XY and SunMoon sales from week 1 2014 and 2017 (after their first Christmas Sales) that's what I have:
Thanks for the chart. Hopefully sales remain above XY sales for as long as possible.
There's the first Great Hero Battle that starts on Friday (special event), so that could happen then.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
We see stuff like this all the time. Big AAA gets huge marketing campaign, sells lots of copies despite being bad, then the next game in the series suffers for it. Ubisoft has been the victim of this each of the last two years.
People got burned by Unity and didnt but syndicate, people got burned by Watch Dogs and didnt buy 2. (Although 2 has had some nice legs because word got out that the game is alot better than the original.)
thestopsign
Member
What type of daily revenue are we talking about in Japan for the top mobile spots? I obviously varies, but is it typically $1mil+ or more than that?
Gotdatmoney
Member
Until RE8 comes out how can you even kind of imply this is the case?
Not to change this to western game sales but WD1 to WD2 has nothing to do with damaged brand imo and everythimg to do with the fact that WD1 launched with zero competition on the next gen market where as WD2 faced significant competition in a packed holiday season.
As of now I consider RE7 being some return to form huge reinvigoration of the series a fan fiction. There is literally no proof RE6 killed the franchise. The only proof we have is the game was critically panned but sold millions. Then got remastered this gen and sold hundreds of thousands more units.
That is literally it. I'm not even hating on RE7. I just can't grasp the narative being pushed.
Bruno MB
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PREDICTION LEAGUE YEAR 2017
Predict how much these titles will sell this year (from Dec 26, 2016 to Dec 31, 2017):
[PS4] PlayStation 4 Hardware -
[NSW] Nintendo Switch Hardware -
[3DS] Nintendo 3DS Hardware -
[NSW + WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild -
[3DS] Monster Hunter XX: Double Cross -
[NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe -
[NSW] Splatoon 2 -
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey -
[3DS] Dragon Quest XI -
[PS4] Dragon Quest XI -
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[3DS] Nintendo 3DS Hardware -
[NSW + WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild -
[3DS] Monster Hunter XX: Double Cross -
[NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe -
[NSW] Splatoon 2 -
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey -
[3DS] Dragon Quest XI -
[PS4] Dragon Quest XI -
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No, it's just blame shifting in this case.
The two best selling games in the series (and for Capcom overall) are RE5 and RE6.
RE7 has very little in common with them.
It's the new formula screwing up, not the old.
Yep. A new Chronicles game won't be affected by Azure's performance. And Azure got people's attention.
But I'm sorry to say, if Azure is the best they can do, then I'm not hopeful for a quality Chronicles title from what I've played so far.
Historically the top spot was $2-$4+ million and the top 4 or so were generally $1+ million, but the market has grown, especially at the top, so it could be higher there.
It's actually not implausible that Fire Emblem Heroes becomes the highest grossing (and trivially the most profitable given mobile margins) game in the series history by the end of the month, especially since it's also charting pretty well in other regions.
PREDICTION LEAGUE YEAR 2017
Predict how much these titles will sell this year (from Dec 26, 2016 to Dec 31, 2017):
[PS4] PlayStation 4 Hardware - 1.598.000
[NSW] Nintendo Switch Hardware - 2.052.000
[3DS] Nintendo 3DS Hardware - 1.137.000
[NSW + WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 581.000
[3DS] Monster Hunter XX: Double Cross - 1.676.000
[NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 555.000
[NSW] Splatoon 2 - 1.109.000
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey - 473.000
[3DS] Dragon Quest XI - 3.120.000
[PS4] Dragon Quest XI - 864.000
Predict how much these titles will sell this year (from Dec 26, 2016 to Dec 31, 2017):
[PS4] PlayStation 4 Hardware - 1.598.000
[NSW] Nintendo Switch Hardware - 2.052.000
[3DS] Nintendo 3DS Hardware - 1.137.000
[NSW + WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 581.000
[3DS] Monster Hunter XX: Double Cross - 1.676.000
[NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 555.000
[NSW] Splatoon 2 - 1.109.000
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey - 473.000
[3DS] Dragon Quest XI - 3.120.000
[PS4] Dragon Quest XI - 864.000
ethomaz
Banned
Big claim you have here...
It did > 100k on PS4 in Germany in one week... RE6 on PS3 did the same in 2012 (3 months and it didn't reach 200k)... there is a good chance RE7 sold more than RE6 at launch in Germany.
How has the Xbone version done in comparison to the Xbox 360 version of Resident Evil 6 though?
PS4 has a much bigger marketshare than PS3 did.
ethomaz
Banned
Both did less than 100k because there is no award for them.
I'm pretty sure PS3 user base in 2012 was way bigger than actual userbase of PS4 in Germany.
Maybe but probably not by much, Ps3 sold around 5M on Germany, Ps4 is probably at 4 million now.
ethomaz
Banned
I don't believe PS4 reached 4 million in Germany... it reached 3.25m in September 2016.
Best case it is a bit over 3.5m today.
RE6 launched in October 2012 for PS3... only one year before PS4 launch... the userbase was at least 1m bigger.
Someone asked Tabata about Final Fantasy XV and the Switch, and got some additional comments out of him. I know this was one of the frequently discussed games for the platform here.
Source: http://www.dualshockers.com/2017/02...uture-dlc-first-look-character-creation-more/DualShockers said:
Presumably they're buying it for a couple of games they want and then playing games elsewhere most of the time, or doing some other kind of activity.
That's my only concern with Valkyria Azure is how it would hurt the brand. I feel though if Sega can easily communicate it's not the same but entirely independent from the mainline it's damage would be relatively minor.
It'll be interesting to see if Chronicles 4 happens will it be an inhouse project from Sega or will they again rely on outsourcing the project.
PREDICTION LEAGUE YEAR 2017
Predict how much these titles will sell this year (from Dec 26, 2016 to Dec 31, 2017):
[PS4] PlayStation 4 Hardware - 1.500.000
[NSW] Nintendo Switch Hardware - 4.500.000
[3DS] Nintendo 3DS Hardware - 1.250.000
[NSW + WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 1.500.000
[3DS] Monster Hunter XX: Double Cross - 2.000.000
[NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 1.950.000
[NSW] Splatoon 2 - 3.999.999
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey - 1.250.000
[3DS] Dragon Quest XI - 1.500.000
[PS4] Dragon Quest XI - 450.000
Predict how much these titles will sell this year (from Dec 26, 2016 to Dec 31, 2017):
[PS4] PlayStation 4 Hardware - 1.500.000
[NSW] Nintendo Switch Hardware - 4.500.000
[3DS] Nintendo 3DS Hardware - 1.250.000
[NSW + WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 1.500.000
[3DS] Monster Hunter XX: Double Cross - 2.000.000
[NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 1.950.000
[NSW] Splatoon 2 - 3.999.999
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey - 1.250.000
[3DS] Dragon Quest XI - 1.500.000
[PS4] Dragon Quest XI - 450.000
yea not sure why people thought this was a possibility. Never seemed likely from the outset. Then when FF7 was called first on PS4, there was speculation. But that might just be an Xbox version months later.
Then Kh3....well....it's Unreal, but might be too intensive