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Devil May Cry 4 Special Edition |OT| Two girls, one motivated Vergil

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Son Of Sparda

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Kaztinka said:
probably gonna get it after Nioh
and For Honor
and Nier Automathi.
fuck!
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Sesha said:
One of my friends has decided to buy Y0, SoS. I'm not gonna, though. It's not high enough priority for me, and even if it was, I can't afford it, nor will I have time to play. I'm gonna have to pass. Sorry. Maybe in, like, a year.
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It's cool. Like I said, it's not about sales anymore. I actually finished the game last night so I think I can talk about it with authority. And honestly without any hyperbole, it was one of the best games that I've played in my entire life. I know most of you guys will enjoy it as well, so that's why I want you guys to give it a try if you can.

Edit: Had this gif ready to post yesterday but due to ISP problems couldn't do it then.
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AgentLampshade

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Still haven't decided on Nier or Nioh. I've been watching Clemps' Nier 1 analyses and I'm really enjoying it, so I'm leaning more on Nier right now.
 
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TreIII

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badcrumble said:
I honestly think building the entire game around this would be better and play to the actual strengths of the series.
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That depends, in my opinion. I mean, on one hand, co-op is probably one thing about the next game that would likely NEED to be a factor in some way. And it's a good selling point to have, as well.

But on the other, I don't want co-op to be a good reason to remove some outdated elements from DMC, and just replace them with something else problematic, like giving Dante an AI partner that he has to manage, like in RE5/6 (games that were built around co-op).

Somewhere between how Souls-style games have the ability to summon allies at any time and how you can just hop online to the "Hunter's Hub" in Monster Hunter, probably lies the ideal solution for how to do co-op in a DMC. I'm electing to trust Itsuno on how to get this done.
 
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stn

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Just got the disc version of DMC4: SE, the digital version, and the digital version of DMC. Did I do a good job?
 
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badcrumble

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TreIII said:
That depends, in my opinion. I mean, on one hand, co-op is probably one thing about the next game that would likely NEED to be a factor in some way. And it's a good selling point to have, as well.

But on the other, I don't want co-op to be a good reason to remove some outdated elements from DMC, and just replace them with something else problematic, like giving Dante an AI partner that he has to manage, like in RE5/6 (games that were built around co-op).

Somewhere between how Souls-style games have the ability to summon allies at any time and how you can just hop online to the "Hunter's Hub" in Monster Hunter, probably lies the ideal solution for how to do co-op in a DMC. I'm electing to trust Itsuno on how to get this done.
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Oh, I see co-op as something that should be purely optional - it's more that I'd rather have maybe twenty visually gorgeous closed arenas to fight in (and here I'm thinking stuff like Bayonetta's opening level where you're "falling" on a static platform, or the fairly gorgeous Final Destination stuff from the later Smash Bros games) than poorly laid out stages when walking from point A to point B has never really been a strong suit of the DMC series. Pacing still matters, of course, but there are other ways to achieve that, I think.
 
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J_Macgrady

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badcrumble said:
Oh, I see co-op as something that should be purely optional - it's more that I'd rather have maybe twenty visually gorgeous closed arenas to fight in (and here I'm thinking stuff like Bayonetta's opening level where you're "falling" on a static platform, or the fairly gorgeous Final Destination stuff from the later Smash Bros games) than poorly laid out stages when walking from point A to point B has never really been a strong suit of the DMC series. Pacing still matters, of course, but there are other ways to achieve that, I think.
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I don't think it has to go to that extreme though. Most people love the feeling of adventure you get in these games and it would be very difficult to do something like that and I don't think a lot of people would be on board for it. Bloody palace seems similar to that idea anyway just not in a progressing the story way. Idk I'm just at a point where it's hard for me to criticize every little thing about DMC when it's my favorite franchise in any entertainment medium because of how it has always been.
 
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AlexBasch

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Quick question, the DMC4SE edition is on sale in Xbox, but there's a Demon Hunter bundle thing.

Are the things included in there unlockable in the base game or do I have to buy that stuff to have all characters and stuff?
 
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Jimnymebob

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AlexBasch said:
Quick question, the DMC4SE edition is on sale in Xbox, but there's a Demon Hunter bundle thing.

Are the things included in there unlockable in the base game or do I have to buy that stuff to have all characters and stuff?
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With the Demon Hunter bundle you get a costume for Lady and Trish, and a load of currency, so you can pretty much buy all the health and D.T upgrades from the shop and purchase a good chunk of everyone's unlockable moves. It also unlocks all the modes as well, so you can jump straight into Bloody Palace or Dante Must Die difficulty without beating the game.

It kinda breaks the game at the start, but having access to all the cool moves and stuff at the start fixes my main problem with the series/genre in general, which is that the first playthrough is usually a bit boring, and more of a training exercise for your main playthroughs.
 
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AlexBasch

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I don't have a problem with unlocking that stuff. I'm downright terrible at DMC anyway. :p

Anyway, good to know, think I can live without those costumes, haha. Thanks.
 
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gunbo13

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I had to make a tough choice to put Last Guardian on stand-by (SoTC is my #2 GOAT) and am downloading Nioh digital deluxe.

Also put in around 140 hours on FFXV due to that nice combat system. Not sure if anyone else was a fan but I lol'd seeing a thread about Witcher 3 vs FFXV. FFXV has a garbage story but the combat is definitely in the B range (maybe B+). It just has some horrible balance and pacing issues. Plus bugs. Otherwise, damn good stuff.
 
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Dahbomb

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Golnei said:
They should charge a steadily increasing amount starting at $6.55 to roll for a chance at removing one article of clothing.
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ROFL!!!

Make it like Path of Exile where rolling off each additional article of clothing is exponentially lower chance.

Remove 1 article: 1 out of 2 chance.
Remove 2 articles: 1 out of 5 chance.
Remove 3 articles: 1 out of 10 chance.
Remove 4 articles: 1 out of 50 chance.
Remove 5 articles: 1 out of 150.
Remove 6 articles (aka butt naked Dante): 1 out of 1500
 
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TreIII

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Son Of Sparda said:
3 leaked titles and none of them are DMC5? What the hell are you doing Itsuno?!
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To be fair, even if those leaks are legit, there's nothing saying that's all Capcom has, or if even Itsuno is helming any of them.

On another note...no new Sengoku BASARA game was announced at the Matsuri fan event last weekend. Everything has been very quiet on Kobayashi's end of Capcom here lately...
 
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Son Of Sparda

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TreIII said:
To be fair, even if those leaks are legit, there's nothing saying that's all Capcom has, or if even Itsuno is helming any of them.

On another note...no new Sengoku BASARA game was announced at the Matsuri fan event last weekend. Everything has been very quiet on Kobayashi's end of Capcom here lately...
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Well, if they all (or even 2 of them) are big console titles then I'm not sure many staff members will be left at Capcom to work on a possible DMC5. Especially if we take into account the already announced games like MvC:I and REmake 2. If two of these new games are big budget titles, then that's 4 big games from Capcom in addition to titles which are set to receive regular updates, like RE7 and SFV.

I just can't see Capcom having the staff and resources to be able to support another big title like DMC5, in addition to doing all of that.

In short, I've never wished for a leak to be false, as much as I am right now.
 
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TreIII

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Son Of Sparda said:
Well, if they all (or even 2 of them) are big console titles then I'm not sure many staff members will be left at Capcom to work on a possible DMC5. Especially if we take into account the already announced games like MvC:I and REmake 2. If two of these new games are big budget titles, then that's 4 big games from Capcom in addition to titles which are set to receive regular updates, like RE7 and SFV.

I just can't see Capcom having the staff and resources to be able to support another big title like DMC5, in addition to doing all of that.

In short, I've never wished for a leak to be false, as much as I am right now.
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Not everything that Capcom is working on is going to be "AAA". If anything, I think Capcom is going to go back to seeing the value of their "mid-tier" range again, so that they can afford to better spread their new consolidated squads out and not have the ballooned budgets and manpower sinks that undermined Dogma and RE6.

Even DMC, at its core, has always been described more as a "midtier" franchise. It's one of the things about Capcom's reshuffling that works in the series' favor, imo.
 
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Son Of Sparda

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TreIII said:
Not everything that Capcom is working on is going to be "AAA". If anything, I think Capcom is going to go back to seeing the value of their "mid-tier" range again, so that they can afford to better spread their new consolidated squads out and not have the ballooned budgets and manpower sinks that undermined Dogma and RE6.

Even DMC, at its core, has always been described more as a "midtier" franchise. It's one of the things about Capcom's reshuffling that works in the series' favor, imo.
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I didn't say they'll be AAA. Even mid-tier games need a noticeable amount of resources and investments if Capcom's history is anything to go by. Look at DMC4 for instance. It's not an AAA, yet Capcom considered +2mil that it did during the firs few months to be disappointing, hence the reboot. Or how DR4 needs to do 2mil by the end of this quarter (which it won't), even though it most definitely isn't an AAA game.

Hopefully these 3 titles aren't all home console games, but if they are, then Capcom is most likely putting a lot of resources in them.
 
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Dahbomb

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We don't even know if the leak is real and even if it was real, we don't even know the scale of those projects.

Just calm your horses and wait for E3.
 
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Son Of Sparda

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You need a little pessimism every once in while, I'm just balancing things a little bit.

Anyway, I'm actually working on something reaction-y (that I think it's pretty fun), if DMC5 pulls another no-show at E3. So worst case scenario, at least I'll have something for you guys at E3 lol
 
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direct_quote

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Son Of Sparda said:
You need a little pessimism every once in while, I'm just balancing things a little bit.

Anyway, I'm actually working on something reaction-y (that I think it's pretty fun), if DMC5 pulls another no-show at E3. So worst case scenario, at least I'll have something for you guys at E3 lol
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Guess we will have to make our own stylish action game then...
 
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J_Macgrady

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Son Of Sparda said:
You need a little pessimism every once in while, I'm just balancing things a little bit.

Anyway, I'm actually working on something reaction-y (that I think it's pretty fun), if DMC5 pulls another no-show at E3. So worst case scenario, at least I'll have something for you guys at E3 lol
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Man after the shit this fanbase had to deal with over the years I've entered full blown positive mode after DMC4SE released.
 
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Dahbomb

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These leaked titles sound more like potential prototypes than actual games that are deep in development. Sounds like the Namco leak that happened in the PS3/360 era way back that ended up being super fake.
 
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direct_quote

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Dahbomb said:
These leaked titles sound more like potential prototypes than actual games that are deep in development. Sounds like the Namco leak that happened in the PS3/360 era way back that ended up being super fake.
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Yah I doubt Capcom would take a risk with 3 new IPs in the pipeline when DMC5 could sell in millions easily..
 
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Dahbomb

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direct_quote said:
Yah I doubt Capcom would take a risk with 3 new IPs in the pipeline when DMC5 could sell in millions easily..
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One of them is Lost Planet though so it's 2 new IP at the most (and even then other two could be modern takes on some older IPs).

Also not sure why people are freaking out that Capcom is spreading themselves thin with these 3 new games:

*Itsuno and co are working on DMC5 who were working on DD before.
*RE crew is completely free now after shipping RE7, some of them could be working on one of these new games.
*Lost Planet crew hasn't done anything since forever, they are probably working on the new LP game.
*Nothing on the front of the Sengoku Basara group.
*SFV has been shipped and most of the FG Capcom folks are working on Marvel Infinite in Japan.
*That leaves the rest of Capcom working on the 3rd game. Probably the folks that were supposed to be making Deep Down are working on that since that's pretty dead at this point.


And like previously mentioned, we don't know the scope of these games. Could be mid tier scale games, not really AAA style like RE7.
 
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Dahbomb said:
One of them is Lost Planet though so it's 2 new IP at the most (and even then other two could be modern takes on some older IPs).

Also not sure why people are freaking out that Capcom is spreading themselves thin with these 3 new games:

*Itsuno and co are working on DMC5 who were working on DD before.
*RE crew is completely free now after shipping RE7, some of them could be working on one of these new games.
*Lost Planet crew hasn't done anything since forever, they are probably working on the new LP game.
*Nothing on the front of the Sengoku Basara group.
*SFV has been shipped and most of the FG Capcom folks are working on Marvel Infinite in Japan.
*That leaves the rest of Capcom working on the 3rd game. Probably the folks that were supposed to be making Deep Down are working on that since that's pretty dead at this point.


And like previously mentioned, we don't know the scope of these games. Could be mid tier scale games, not really AAA style like RE7.
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Yeah RE is the one franchise I see them going all out with the budget. Everything else is not gonna be on that level. Part of me thinks that DMC5 may have a bigger budget than we expect it to have though. It's one of those situations where they know exactly what went wrong with franchise. There's no gray area like RE.

Also, I'm sure Capcom wants to revive a lot of their dead IPs than make a ton of new IPs. They have so much stuff that's been in the grave for years lol.
 
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Son Of Sparda

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You guys are gonna see me as the cynical one yet again, but eh, whatever.

- RE7 is done, yet they have like ten DLCs planned for that game including Story episodes and new gameplay modes. I doubt they are done with that game yet.
- Same with SFV and its new updates/contents. Even if the majority of team has moved on from the game I don't think these are the same guys who did MvC3? Correct me if I'm wrong but I think MvC:I is being done by a separate team, just like MvC3 was different from SFIV.
- REmake 2 is happening and supposedly it's a big Remake and not a simple remaster
- A portion of staff are working on DDO. Same with the teams who work on 3DS titles like MH and Ace Attorney.
- Lastly I don't think saying the Sengoku or LP team haven't made anything is very accurate. I think the team structure at Capcom might be a lot more flexible than one might think. I'm sure the LP team hasn't been sitting idly by in the past 7 years (since LP2, cause LP3 was outsourced). These teams most likely help other, bigger, projects like RE and stuff.

At any rate, what I'm saying is that Capcom probably has enough resources to support 2 other home console projects at the moment. So if these leaks are true, then either the majority of them are mobile/handheld titles so we are getting DMC5 in addition to them or they are all home console games and Capcom has decided that it'll be better to invest in new titles rather than sequels.

Bottom line, Capcom can't be working on 3 new home console games (even mid-tiers) + supporting RE7 & SFV & DDO + REmake 2 + MvC:I + DMC5. That's just not feasible for the current Capcom.
 
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