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[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Jesus .
Nintendo can do no wrong.

Ubisoft downgrades a game on hardware they werent even sure of when they started developing and it has bugs, gets universally shunned to the point where they have to make public apologies , delay production of their next big game , give out the season pass expansion for free.
Nintendo announced this game for their own hardware that they shouldve been perfectly knowledgeable of , delayed it multiple times, downgraded the visuals significantly, the product comes out unpolished and with unacceptable levels of performance to make the newer console look better, but hey, they have the season pass ready! and people should be grateful because nintendo was too ambitious?

are you shitting me?

Not excusing it, just saying their vision probably bit off more than the system could chew.
That is their problem.

 

[capylikesgames]

If it's fixed eventually, I'll gladly buy the Wii U version. If not, I will eventually for Switch, when the library looks good. Still really disappointing to hear. The Gamecube version of TP didn't have bad performance, did it?

 

[LinkSlayer64]

If it's fixed eventually, I'll gladly buy the Wii U version. If not, I will eventually for Switch, when the library looks good. Still really disappointing to hear. The Gamecube version of TP didn't have bad performance, did it?

No, but it's important to remember the Wii and GC shared the exact same processor if I remember correctly, Wii just had some additional chips to support the controllers.

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

This thread is an emberessment. Some of you need to reflect.

 

[SolarMystic]

Fucking hell, get your shit together Nintendo.

 

[jholmes]

It's business because Nintendo has abandoned the WiiU as a platform moving forward, and it would not be in their best interest to highlight anything in their next flagship title that might make people think that the dead system they are sunsetting has any advantages which the new system does not. Nintendo is a company that loves to manage perceptions, and their targeted message now is "Buy a Switch, Goodbye WiiU."

Who is apologizing for Nintendo being shitty?

To the first point, I fail to see how Nintendo pulling a map function from a new game releasing on older hardware is going to make them any money. Nintendo may intend to be sunsetting the system but they're sunsetting their customers by half-assing their way through the late life of a console for the second time in a row.

To the second, a guy buys a console based on an announced exclusive game, he's not happy about how things are shaping up, he opens up online and gets a poke in the eye for it. C'mon, really, we should expect more of Nintendo, not less of ourselves.

it is your fault if you buy it for a game that hasn't been released.

It is, you should never buy on promises unless you can handle dissapointments.

I'm curious: Have you pre-ordered the Switch?

 

[arlucool]

What's this "day-one patch" some people are mentioning? Was it data mined or something..? Reading some of the comments got me the impression it improves performance.

 

[duckroll]

we should expect more of Nintendo

Lol, maybe you do. I expect Nintendo to make the worst decisions for themselves and for fans, to be stubborn, to be inefficient, and then to not learn anything from their mistakes over and over. Why would anyone expect anything out of Nintendo other than well designed games at this point? They're an industry embarrassment of a first party.

To the first point, I fail to see how Nintendo pulling a map function from a new game releasing on older hardware is going to make them any money.

A business decision isn't always one that makes you money upfront. If it is part of a larger plan, in this case a targeted market perception, then you sometimes find it acceptable to take a loss or force a loss on someone to meet that perception. I'm not saying it's a GOOD business move, just that it's a business move. It's not "spite" because that would be assuming that Nintendo executives act emotionally, they don't.

 

[Parapraxis]

What's this "day-one patch" some people are mentioning? Was it data mined or something..? Reading some of the comments got me the impression it improves performance.

It has a ~3GB update right now.

 

[hatchx]

Sounds like BOTW on wiiU runs about as well as most open world games did in the PS3/360 gen.

 

[Smasher89]

What's this "day-one patch" some people are mentioning? Was it data mined or something..? Reading some of the comments got me the impression it improves performance.

I would say that day 1 dlc might be a decent reason to expect a day 1 patch, which atleast adds the 3 chests.

 

[EloquentM]

Lol, maybe you do. I expect Nintendo to make the worst decisions for themselves and for fans, to be stubborn, to be inefficient, and then to not learn anything from their mistakes over and over. Why would anyone expect anything out of Nintendo other than well designed games at this point? They're an industry embarrassment of a first party.

Stop it's already dead! Staaaahp

 

[jholmes]

Lol, maybe you do. I expect Nintendo to make the worst decisions for themselves and for fans, to be stubborn, to be inefficient, and then to not learn anything from their mistakes over and over. Why would anyone expect anything out of Nintendo other than well designed games at this point? They're an industry embarrassment of a first party.

Well, sure, except one of us doesn't have plans to buy a Switch and one of us keeps talking about his pre-order.

 

[LinkSlayer64]

To the first point, I fail to see how Nintendo pulling a map function from a new game releasing on older hardware is going to make them any money. Nintendo may intend to be sunsetting the system but they're sunsetting their customers by half-assing their way through the late life of a console for the second time in a row.

To the second, a guy buys a console based on an announced exclusive game, he's not happy about how things are shaping up, he opens up online and gets a poke in the eye for it. C'mon, really, we should expect more of Nintendo, not less of ourselves.





I'm curious: Have you pre-ordered the Switch?

If you're going to split hairs, then I'll amend my statement to be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR
You don't buy a console for a game that is not confirmed to be releasing on an exact day.

Also, I don't expect less of you, I expect more of you.

 

[duckroll]

Well, sure, except one of us doesn't have plans to buy a Switch and one of us keeps talking about his pre-order.

I'm not sure what you're saying here?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Wishy washy

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

So it's Zelda on Switch coming Holiday season when Mario is out, gotcha!

 

[TalentAlwaysWins]

Lol, maybe you do. I expect Nintendo to make the worst decisions for themselves and for fans, to be stubborn, to be inefficient, and then to not learn anything from their mistakes over and over. Why would anyone expect anything out of Nintendo other than well designed games at this point? They're an industry embarrassment of a first party

Well I mean... yeah it's the truth but they can't even make a game with stable frame rate now so it's even worse that they can't even do that with a flagship franchise.

 

[jholmes]

I'm not sure what you're saying here?

You're saying they're an embarrassment and they make terrible decisions and you expect the worst from them but you'll drop half a grand on their unreleased products, which suggests otherwise.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

You're saying they're an embarrassment and they make terrible decisions and you expect the worst from them but you'll drop half a grand on their unreleased products, which suggests otherwise.

I dont understand either and people continue buying

 

[TalentAlwaysWins]

You're saying they're an embarrassment and they make terrible decisions and you expect the worst from them but you'll drop half a grand on their unreleased products, which suggests otherwise.

That doesn't make his statement any less true. Considering he said they make well designed games and they force you to buy their hardware to play them he's forced to do it anyway.

 

[LotusHD]

You're saying they're an embarrassment and they make terrible decisions and you expect the worst from them but you'll drop half a grand on their unreleased products, which suggests otherwise.

Dem games tho

 

[Rezbit]

Man seems like critical thinking has gone out the window these days. One report means something is terrible, unplayable, dogshit, etc. Perhaps we could do some more research, find more supporting evidence and all that. Anyway.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

That doesn't make his statement any less true. Considering he said they make well designed games and they force you to buy their hardware to play them he's forced to do it anyway.

No one is forced at all.

 

[Branduil]

It is not a 'miracle' it runs on the Wii U. It was built for the Wii U. It was ported to Switch.

Stop making excuses for Nintendo. It is not acceptable if it runs bad.

It's pretty obvious their ambition for this game outstrips what can actually run well on a CPU from the previous millennium. So it was either cancel the Wii U version, or release it as is, shaky framerate and all. Could they make it run better? Maybe if they spent a bunch of money and time coding down to the metal, but there's not much incentive to do that when the Wii U version will sell a fraction of the Switch version, at best.

 

[Zolbrod]

It has a ~3GB update right now.

That's the mandatory on-disc install, no?
Not actually an update, right?

 

[Aostia]

How Nintendo thanks Wii U owners ...

Yeah they should have added more RAM to their site hw specificallyfor this last release

I think people seriously under estimate what this game is delivering

 

[Shaii]

That doesn't make his statement any less true. Considering he said they make well designed games and they force you to buy their hardware to play them he's forced to do it anyway.

Every single Nintendo thread man.... And absolutely noone is forced to buy their hardware....

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

That doesn't make his statement any less true. Considering he said they make well designed games and they force you to buy their hardware to play them he's forced to do it anyway.

Youre not forced.. are you guys serious?

 

[TalentAlwaysWins]

No one is forced at all.

Youre not forced.. are you guys serious?

Well it's not like you can play Zelda anywhere else?

 

[EloquentM]

Man seems like critical thinking has gone out the window these days. One report means something is terrible, unplayable, dogshit, etc. Perhaps we could do some more research, find more supporting evidence and all that. Anyway.

Why're you being to so goddamn unreasonable. If there was a like button for hottakes my finger would be hurting right now in these switch threads.

 

[Shaii]

Youre not forced.. are you guys serious?

I'm pretty sure they're just tag-team trolling with over the top statements at this point.

 

[Parapraxis]

That's the mandatory on-disc install, no?
Not actually an update, right?

Unclear.

 

[duckroll]

You're saying they're an embarrassment and they make terrible decisions and you expect the worst from them but you'll drop half a grand on their unreleased products, which suggests otherwise.

I mean, there seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding on your part here. I'm saying you should expect the worst out of Nintendo when considering anything that hasn't been laid out. VC plans? None at launch. Online service? Expect shit. Streaming apps? Don't count on it anytime soon. Announced game with no release date? It'll be delayed, maybe even cancelled. Carrying over digital games you bought? Lol no! It's not hard to understand.

That doesn't mean that in spite of all this, if they do release something that is good, why wouldn't I play it? I'm not buying a Switch to "support Nintendo", I'm buying a Switch to play Zelda. I didn't buy a Wii to "support Nintendo", I bought it to play Skyward Sword. I already had a GC to play TP so I didn't buy the Wii at launch. I bought a GC to play Wind Waker. I don't have a WiiU because I'm not stupid enough to believe there is a Zelda on the WiiU until it's actually coming out. Lo and behold, WiiU owners who bought it for Zelda have now been slapped in the face! Is that right? No, but it's what I basically expected. Shrug.

 

[Orniletter]

Wii U framerate is baaad.


I think E3 footage was a big lie

Of course you do !

 

[Haunted]

Expected.

There's a reason I went for the Switch version. Mainline Zelda deserves to be played the best way it can at launch.

 

[Milly Osworth]

Whats wiiu?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Well it's not like you can play Zelda anywhere else?

Well it's not like youre forced to do anything...


How can one spend endless amount of money on something, dislike and complain about it and continue to spend their hard earned money.. shouldnt it be spent on something that does not cause you to complain, feel forced or spiteful? This is a ridiculous thought process. Are you guys buying it just to have a reason to feel dissatisfied and upset? Does paying money justify the complaints?

 

[MCD250]

Hmmm. Will have to keep an eye on this. I can live with poor IQ and a few frame drops here and there, but "framerate death" sounds...dramatic...

If it's fixed eventually, I'll gladly buy the Wii U version. If not, I will eventually for Switch, when the library looks good. Still really disappointing to hear. The Gamecube version of TP didn't have bad performance, did it?

It could experience some very noticeable slowdown while horseback riding across Hyrule Field. Don't recall any performance issues beyond that though.

 

[Parapraxis]

Hmmm. Will have to keep an eye on this. I can live with poor IQ and a few frame drops here and there, but "framerate death" sounds...dramatic...

...almost hyperbolic. Hasn't Gamekult had controversies in the past or am I mis-remembering?

Whats wiiu?

An add on for Wii maybe??

 

[AmyS]

Whats wiiu?

It's the sound of old caffee being poured down the drain.

 

[Derkon]

Hmmm. Will have to keep an eye on this. I can live with poor IQ and a few frame drops here and there, but "framerate death" sounds...dramatic...

From the stream linked earlier, "framerate death" is hugely over-exaggerating it. Framerate drops seem to be inline with what the Edge review mentioned; during big effect stuff. Seemed like it was fine outside of that.

 

[HeelPower]

lol,probably an outsourced gimped version.

They can't let the only reason to get a switch be viably playable on an old platform.

 

[EloquentM]

From the stream linked earlier, "framerate death" is a hugely over-exaggerating it. Framerate drops seem to be inline with what the Edge review mentioned; during big effect stuff. Seemed like it was fine outside of that.

How spoilery is the edge review? I'm thinking about getting the magazine for it.

 

[jholmes]

I mean, there seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding on your part here. I'm saying you should expect the worst out of Nintendo when considering anything that hasn't been laid out. VC plans? None at launch. Online service? Expect shit. Streaming apps? Don't count on it anytime soon. Announced game with no release date? It'll be delayed, maybe even cancelled. Carrying over digital games you bought? Lol no! It's not hard to understand.

That doesn't mean that in spite of all this, if they do release something that is good, why wouldn't I play it? I'm not buying a Switch to "support Nintendo", I'm buying a Switch to play Zelda. I didn't buy a Wii to "support Nintendo", I bought it to play Skyward Sword. I already had a GC to play TP so I didn't buy the Wii at launch. I bought a GC to play Wind Waker. I don't have a WiiU because I'm not stupid enough to believe there is a Zelda on the WiiU until it's actually coming out. Lo and behold, WiiU owners who bought it for Zelda have now been slapped in the face! Is that right? No, but it's what I basically expected. Shrug.

At the end of the day I think my point is you and Twilight Princess (the dude you quoted, not the game) aren't really so different here. But hey, me too, we're all optimists in our own way, we're all looking forward to the game. But I'm not about to believe Nintendo is going to treat Switch owners better than the people who stuck with the Wii U.

 

[Twilight Princess]

If it's fixed eventually, I'll gladly buy the Wii U version. If not, I will eventually for Switch, when the library looks good. Still really disappointing to hear. The Gamecube version of TP didn't have bad performance, did it?

they are roughly the same, switch is having drops at the same locations, wiiu might drop a few frames more. it's the same shit, it's not gonna sparkle just because it's on switch.

Some people find it hard to believe, but my Wii library is even smaller than my GC library. Of course my WiiU library is the smallest. I don't even have one!

To me, Nintendo's inability to release console games I want to play is the norm.

my mistake was that i trusted them. never again.

 

[Raet]

Whats wiiu?

I heard it's a peripheral for the Wii. Apparently it's considered a disappointment despite selling 12 million units, guess it must be due to being compared to the Wii Wheel or Balance Board.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Yeah they should have added more RAM to their site hw specificallyfor this last release

I think people seriously under estimate what this game is delivering

Maybe they should have designed the game around what the Wii U was capable of

 

[Parapraxis]

I heard it's a peripheral for the Wii. Apparently it's considered a disappointment despite selling 12 million units, guess it must be due to being compared to the Wii Wheel or Balance Board.

I like the jokes, heck I made one myself and I'm a WiiU owner, but to consider WiiU is anything but a commercial failure is a real punchline.

 

[Derkon]

How spoilery is the edge review? I'm thinking about getting the magazine for it.

I'm not to sensitive to spoilers but there some very minor story/character names iirc; I can't really gauge how spoilery it would be for someone else.