It's not about the score though. Well, not for me anyways.
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NieR: Automata Review Thread
- Thread starter BRSxIgnition
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It's not about the score though. Well, not for me anyways.
Yeah... This is where I draw the line as well. I was fine with the negative review until learning he didn't play the entire game.
If reviewing a game is your job, that includes parts you don't like, too. That includes tedium, if the game is tedious, that includes repetition if the game is repetitive. Even the best job ever has shitty days with shitty tasks, why should reviews be excluded from that?
In order to properly criticize something, you must actually experience and understand it. In order to properly elaborate on why the multiple routes thing isn't done well, he must go through them in the first place. Maybe that would make his review even more negative, but that only reinforces why it's important. If it makes the game that much worse, shouldn't he go through it in order to inform his audience of just how bad it is?
His review has loads of interesting points and plenty of good intentions, but nothing sticks. It's like it was written by a man with a super short attention span. He'd come up with a good point, carry it half way, and then get distracted by another thought, and do it all over again until ending up with an unfocused, unsatisfying, incomplete review.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Yeah, how dare this game takes your precious time away from another game
Games Journalism baby.
hydrophilic attack
Member
here they lie
lol, if you're gonna troll, try to be entertaining about it at least
perfect
XANDER CAGE
Member
I don't care about the metascore but that Financial Post review is hilarious. I can totally see someone walking away from Automata not liking it but there are so many erroneous things in the article it's like... huh?
y'all need to chill out. Lol. I love Nier but spamming the guy on twitter and emailing metacritic is insane. A score is a score. Uncharted had a 4/10. Horizon had a 5/10. It just happens. It's why I don't take metacritic seriously lol. I feel like anyone's score gets put on that website.
APZonerunner
Member
Yeah, how dare this game takes your precious time away from another game
I write about games for a living and I say these kind of things in fun joking ways all the time. It's the not finishing the game or even giving it a fair shake that fucking sucks; mining his twitter account for things that can be construed in a few different ways, some of them bad, is really... unnecessary. The evidence for why it's not a great argument/justification for its score is right there in the review.
BRSxIgnition
Member
Without the 50, the MC would be 90.1273.
With the 50, the MC is 89.4107.
If EZA gives it a 100, the MC will be 89.5965.
Shame a "reviewer" can post that, not finish the game, blast it, give it a 5/10, block all the people asking why he didn't finish it, and then sit there saying...
With the 50, the MC is 89.4107.
If EZA gives it a 100, the MC will be 89.5965.
Shame a "reviewer" can post that, not finish the game, blast it, give it a 5/10, block all the people asking why he didn't finish it, and then sit there saying...
Yeah, this is ridiculous.
Though, wasn't the 4/10 Uncharted 4 one a joke review that was changed later, but Metacritic never updated it? I remember reading something like that. And I really disliked that game, so I'm not even particularly interested in how well received it is.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Seems like fair game based on the work he produced. Also might explain why he didn't finish the game.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Metacritic rounds down so still an 89.
Nightengale
Member
The review was bad but that tweet was clearly joke-y in the sense of "oh, I've got work to do now and that is to review OTHER GAMES".
It's more adoration towards Zelda that he wants to keep playing that than it is coming into NieR's review with the intent to dislike it.
It's more adoration towards Zelda that he wants to keep playing that than it is coming into NieR's review with the intent to dislike it.
It was a really BAD joke review and was still added and never taken away. And there was a lot I mean A LOT of noise about that I recall from the review thread, twitter, social media etc. I believe another guy who worked at the same website as the reviewer even commented saying he disagreed completely with the score and review. It sucks but yeah.. God forbid someone gives zelda a 5/10.
get2sammyb
Member
From my perspective, though, I actually didn't like the game until I played the third route. If I hadn't seen it all I literally would have posted a low score, too.
Third route totally changed my opinion on it. I think you could probably make an argument it's not respectful of the player's time, but you definitely do need to see it all to appreciate what it's trying to do.
hydrophilic attack
Member
the dream is dead
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Without the 50, the MC would be 90.1273.
With the 50, the MC is 89.4107.
If EZA gives it a 100, the MC will be 89.5965.
Shame a "reviewer" can post that, not finish the game, blast it, give it a 5/10, block all the people asking why he didn't finish it, and then sit there saying...
Ah, so a 90 is now off the cards right?
Even if both Easy and Jim gave it a perfect score (which is highly unlikely)?
gustave154
Member
Sigh the 50/100 strikes again...
He states point blank in his review that he dislikes NieR because it doesn't look as good as Zelda
Yeah, how dare this game takes your precious time away from another game
Score change to 1/10 incoming. XD
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
My thing is that this is a professional reviewer. He is getting paid to do this.
When you're lazy and sloppy in any job, you will undoubtedly get complaints and suffer consequences. That's how the world works.
Just because there are ~video games~ involved does not mean that all concept of professional standards get thrown out the window.
When you're lazy and sloppy in any job, you will undoubtedly get complaints and suffer consequences. That's how the world works.
Just because there are ~video games~ involved does not mean that all concept of professional standards get thrown out the window.
BRSxIgnition
Member
Depending on their weighting, it might go back up to 90.
Assuming both EZA and Jim give it a 100, the unweighted average will be 89.7759.
Ricerocket
Member
Yeah, how dare this game takes your precious time away from another game
If you review games as a job, it's best not to involve other games into the process. Saying this game took time away from his precious Zelda is bullshit.
I mean, I understand not liking a video game.
I understand even not finishing a video game even as a reviewer.
But the onus is on you to at least see what else the game has to offer (in this case, it doesn't take much of an effort to ask "hey, I have to play 9S through the story again. Does the game substantially change later or is this it?").
If you can't even do that much, and still want to note that the game feels incomplete when you have not even bothered to perform basic competence in verifying that statement, you can't complain when people call you out for cutting corners when in fact you cut corners.
I understand even not finishing a video game even as a reviewer.
But the onus is on you to at least see what else the game has to offer (in this case, it doesn't take much of an effort to ask "hey, I have to play 9S through the story again. Does the game substantially change later or is this it?").
If you can't even do that much, and still want to note that the game feels incomplete when you have not even bothered to perform basic competence in verifying that statement, you can't complain when people call you out for cutting corners when in fact you cut corners.
I'm pretty sure he was kidding... The review wasn't garbage, it was actually written well though it did seem he was just intent on not liking it.
Dubbing it the Horizon curse lol
Chuck Norris
Banned
To be honest I begrudge every game for taking time away from Rocket League
XANDER CAGE
Member
Hey let's turn the burner waaaay down on this. The review is bad. Laugh about it and move on; angrily contacting the writer or MetaCritic just looks incredibly petty. Take the article for what it is and continue enjoying Nier. The green number on the dumb website doesn't matter. I'm going to lock the thread if it's just going to turn into a shark pit for the inevitable negative reviews.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
If you only watch one third of a movie and then publish an article complaining about things being unfinished and meaningless, then yes, your review would be garbage.
I don't see why this changes when it comes to videogames.
The movie isn't 50+ hours long.... You can finish a movie in one sitting. RPGs, sometimes not so much.
Evil Monkey DTT
Banned
I don't need this game to get a 90
I need it to get a 90 and sell! Taro x platinum forever!!!
BRSxIgnition
Member
Ah well, what's done is done. I'll update the OP when we finally get Jim & EZA's reviews.
I just... I just don't want people to break their discs, ya know?
Same here. Cowardly to just run away from criticism. How ironic? He can deal it out but can't take it.
Is that really happening? It's just a score.. I hated the USgamer review for Horizon but it was her opinion and I respected it. Same with this one. We can't start harassing people just because they didn't like our favorite games.
That makes him a good reviewer.
It's not his job to take it. It's his job to give it.
Lambasting a game while not being thorough is GaneFAQs-tier shit.
Personally, I would still be all up in this game even if it got Drakengard 3 scores, as long as those scores were based on finishing the damn game.
And I loved D3 despite the horrible technical flaws (thanks Deadly Premonition studio!)
The reason I care about the metascore at all this time because I actually do know people who would buy this game if it was 90 instead of 89 and I want more people to get into what I'm into. I want more people to talk about the Drakengard/Nier universe with that got into it through this game.
And I loved D3 despite the horrible technical flaws (thanks Deadly Premonition studio!)
The reason I care about the metascore at all this time because I actually do know people who would buy this game if it was 90 instead of 89 and I want more people to get into what I'm into. I want more people to talk about the Drakengard/Nier universe with that got into it through this game.
I don't, I can't, I just can't.
Finishing a game isn't fully mastering it, isn't having a deep understanding of it. It's the bare minimum, especially with combat-heavy titles, it's scratching the surface.
People aren't asking the world here, just that they do their job and AT LEAST finish the game once. A single casual playthrough. It's not asking too much.
Like, when Devil May Cry game gives you new difficulties with remixed enemy encounters after you beat it once, saying that the game gives you new difficulties with remixed enemy encounters isn't an opinion, it's just listing features. Capcom's PR can tell me that, I want to know more about it from a player's perspective.
But it's not even something this specific that's being asked, no one is saying he should spend 50 hours in the training room before reviewing the game, that he gets good enough to reproduce donguri's combos, that he beats it on Very Hard after 2 full playthroughs with a fully upgraded character to see how balanced it is as an end-game challenge. People are just asking for the bare minimum.
Most of the twitter comments I saw were fine. There's always the sense of being bullied though if you suddenly get an onslaught of comments or emails because of giving a negative score though.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Gotta remember that reviews are purely for marketing purposes and have to be shat out quickly.
If you enjoy the game then it's all good
If you enjoy the game then it's all good
He didn't though, he didn't finish it. He didn't do his job. It's a job, you are forced to do things for monetary value, one thing you don't like doesn't mean you can half ass your job.
people who buy only games that are 90+ are the same people who would drop the series in a heart beat. They aren't fans.
I still buy the damn atelier series even though they review average. a 90+ score would be nice but hell if I'm having fun as hell and the fans are happy and its selling well, what more could you want. a 90+ isn't going to make it the next big success story. It still has a high score lol.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
That's the nature of the medium. A third is a third.
What about books? Those take a lot longer than movies. Is it still okay to shit out a review after getting one third of the way into a book?
This reminds me of IGN God Hand review lol