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Marvel's Iron Fist |OT| Hi-yahh - March 17th on Netflix

I mentioned this earlier in the thread but the whole Hand thing hasn't made sense to me.
Once Claire got into the picture, why didn't she call Matt? Surely he deserves to know if there's more Hand shit going on since daredevil is a sworn enemy

and this also makes me think
if Gao has also been Hand all this time, why did she not have a bigger involvement in daredevil's seaon 2? why was she not more affiliated with nobu in season 1?

and I get that they have showed different factions of the Hand, but
clearly Nobu's faction is evil as well, so what, there are like 2 evil factions going around in Hand that nobody was aware of?

also episode 12
they just killed bakuto but isn't he just gonna come back if they don't chop his head off...
 

jackdoe

Member
and this also makes me think
if Gao has also been Hand all this time, why did she not have a bigger involvement in daredevil's seaon 2? why was she not more affiliated with nobu in season 1?
Wow, I haven't finished the series yet, but that is pretty offensive.
Every Asian is a ninja, even though they're Chinese and the Hand is Japanese. I'm guessing Gao wasn't meant to be a part of the Hand in Daredevil Season 2, because its showrunners weren't stupid enough to try to make a CHINESE woman a JAPANESE ninja.
 

Hex

Banned
Ok this was what I posted on my Facebook early on:
Ok I think that i am at about the half way point and while not the worst it is pretty bad.
Finn Jones has no charisma and either they really went bargain basement on their choreographer or he is just really a bad study.
Claire is irritating as hell considering everything she has seen and not once would she suggest calling the other guy who had a fight with the Hand?
I like Colleen Wing but lets face it, her character is paper thin.
Series as a whole is too slow to be an Iron Fist series.
Really it feels like a run of Agents of Shield .
Hopefully the back half delivers.

And now I have finished here is my input on the back half...
I maintain my stance on the choreography.
You would think it would be at least as good as Daredevil but instead it is in Agents of Shield / Power Rangers level.
We have Into the West people, you need to do better.
Finn continued to be bland, the only life was between he and Colleen and well.. can understand that.
I agree that the talent in K'un-Lun must be lacking because Danny got given back in pretty much every fight from peon to body guard to mid boss.
Got really tired of the whole "This is what I was trained for" "This is what I do" "I don't lose" thing.
I also personally think that they could have gotten to the events in the last episode alot earlier in the season and it would have been far more interesting of a series.

Not really spoilers
 
I mentioned this earlier in the thread but the whole Hand thing hasn't made sense to me.
Once Claire got into the picture, why didn't she call Matt? Surely he deserves to know if there's more Hand shit going on since daredevil is a sworn enemy

and this also makes me think
if Gao has also been Hand all this time, why did she not have a bigger involvement in daredevil's seaon 2? why was she not more affiliated with nobu in season 1?

and I get that they have showed different factions of the Hand, but
clearly Nobu's faction is evil as well, so what, there are like 2 evil factions going around in Hand that nobody was aware of?

also episode 12
they just killed bakuto but isn't he just gonna come back if they don't chop his head off...
Its clear that the Hand isnt just an organization where everyone knows what the rest is doing. Nobu might be just head of a faction just like Gao or Bakuto is. Also even if they knew each other why show kingpin that they are in an organization like that. I think Kingpin is head of the Hand in the comics at some point but MCU King Pin doesnt seem to be aware.
Wow, I haven't finished the series yet, but that is pretty offensive.
Every Asian is a ninja, even though they're Chinese and the Hand is Japanese. I'm guessing Gao wasn't meant to be a part of the Hand in Daredevil Season 2, because its showrunners weren't stupid enough to try to make a CHINESE woman a JAPANESE ninja.

Gao is not chinese. She confirmed that. We do not know what nationality or affiliation she has. She seems to be using the Hand though for her own gain.
 
Gao is not chinese. She confirmed that. We do not know what nationality or affiliation she has. She seems to be using the Hand though for her own gain.

Thats correct for the most part. We do know she is not of Earth. So, yea, she doesn't belong to any nationality. We have not confirmation of which of the seven heavenly cities she is from.
 

Renpatsu

Member
It's my understanding that production was rushed along to get Iron Fist out comfortably before Defenders. I've read various reports that say they gave about 3 weeks of intense martial arts and weight training preparation for Finn Jones to get ready for the role which explains both the physique as well as the general level of technical execution in the fights.

Finn Jones on filming the fight scenes:
I was learning the fight scenes 15 minutes before we actually shot them because the schedule was so tight. So 15 minutes before the stunt director would talk me through the choreography and I'd just jump straight into it. It really was a baptism of fire and I just learned on the job and I've been doing it for 12 months now.

Given that I suspect the production schedule didn't allot as much time for the action directors and choreographers to visualize the fights to the level of Daredevil and did what they could instead. So you get relatively uninspired fights that are also shot and edited in a manner that don't highlight the elements that do work.

Couple that with a poorly realised narrative, vague character motivation, and lame sound design I don't think even hiring the best choreographers could do their best work in those conditions.
 
Hopefully the coreography team on Defenders are a little better. Aren't some people from Daredevil attached?

Anyway, nearly finished with this. It got a lot better as it went along honestly, even if Danny ranges from naive to stupid to straight up unlikable. I need to see the character in the hands of different writers I think.

Pretty pumped for Defenders now honestly. Hopefully they won't make us wait too long.
 

etta

my hard graphic balls
This isn't nearly as good as the other three Marvel shows, I was really bummed out by the first two episodes lols.
 
Colleen was the best part of the show. I enjoyed Iron Fist overall and place it just below Daredevil 1/2 and Jessica Jones with Luke Cage being at the bottom.

Really can't wait for the Defenders.
 

Dongs Macabre

aka Daedalos42
Wow, I haven't finished the series yet, but that is pretty offensive.
Every Asian is a ninja, even though they're Chinese and the Hand is Japanese. I'm guessing Gao wasn't meant to be a part of the Hand in Daredevil Season 2, because its showrunners weren't stupid enough to try to make a CHINESE woman a JAPANESE ninja.

This is especially infuriating as season 2 of Daredevil even had a scene where a white racist gets called out for conflating Japanese and Chinese people.
 

Apt101

Member
Hopefully the coreography team on Defenders are a little better. Aren't some people from Daredevil attached?

I think the problem is Finn Jones.He can't even sell grace and control when simply doing those slow kung-fu movements to get into a stance. Just compare any of those sequences to the fight scene between Neo and Morpheus. They look like competent martial artists, precise and strong (or graceful when needed). Finn Jones looks like a child who has been practicing it in front of a mirror for an hour and wants to show his parents.

That sounds brutal, but seriously, it's awful. It takes me out of the scene for a few seconds every time he does it. He even made me chuckle a few times. I think a very good idea for Marvel / the producers would be to replace him with an actor who can actually do movie/TV kung-fu for The Defenders.
 

Alienous

Member
10 episodes in.

Man, this lead actor isn't selling me on being a martial arts expert at all.

I know next to nothing about the character but I'm pretty sure he should be more convincing.
 

Jake2by4

Member
I think the problem is Finn Jones.He can't even sell grace and control when simply doing those slow kung-fu movements to get into a stance. Just compare any of those sequences to the fight scene between Neo and Morpheus. They look like competent martial artists, precise and strong (or graceful when needed). Finn Jones looks like a child who has been practicing it in front of a mirror for an hour and wants to show his parents.

That sounds brutal, but seriously, it's awful. It takes me out of the scene for a few seconds every time he does it. He even made me chuckle a few times. I think a very good idea for Marvel / the producers would be to replace him with an actor who can actually do movie/TV kung-fu for The Defenders.
I don't hold it against him since he only had 3 weeks to prepare for the role.
 

Krowley

Member
I don't hold it against him since he only had 3 weeks to prepare for the role.

Yeah, it sounds like this was an impossible mission from the outset for him. Learning fight scenes for the first time on the day of shooting and etc...

This whole show was obviously a rush-job. Explains a lot of little issues with it. Working under such difficult conditions probably even made them tone down the amount of fighting in the scripts.
 

Dysun

Member
This show makes me appreciate Stephen Amell and Charlie Cox more than I had previously

They should have went all in with the mask and made it easier to disguise a stunt double
 

Jake2by4

Member
Well, that would explain it.

He said on twitter when started people to dog pile on him about the role.

Yeah, it sounds like this was an impossible mission from the outset for him. Learning fight scenes for the first time on the day of shooting and etc...

This whole show was obviously a rush-job. Explains a lot of little issues with it. Working under such difficult conditions probably even made them tone down the amount of fighting in the scripts.
If it does get a S2 they will probably give him more sufficient time but I can't see him doing better in the defenders given it went into production right after Iron fist was completed

well then maybe they would've been better off casting the guy auditioning for the role who actually has real martial arts experience...

It is what it is now. Can't fault the actor. He's was doing the best he could under the circumstances. Blame the Showrunner and producers.
 
How the fuck did this get a 17% on Rotten Tomatoes? Absolutely insane. No way was Luke Cage better. Hell I enjoyed it end to end more than Daredevil and Jessica Jones. Those shows are better as a complete package because the highs are realllly high but Iron Fist has superior pacing. It never lagged like pretty much every other Marvel show I watch.
 
I'm only 1.5 episodes in but it's like a far more boring start of arrow so far.

I'll trudge through it all since I really like iron fist the hero but I am not enjoying it/
 
How the fuck did this get a 17% on Rotten Tomatoes? Absolutely insane. No way was Luke Cage better. Hell I enjoyed it end to end more than Daredevil and Jessica Jones. Those shows are better as a complete package because the highs are realllly high but Iron Fist has superior pacing. It never lagged like pretty much every other Marvel show I watch.

It has that score because iron fist is shit and yes luke cage is better.

terrible writing terrible pacing terrible fights terrible characters
 
Its clear that the Hand isnt just an organization where everyone knows what the rest is doing. Nobu might be just head of a faction just like Gao or Bakuto is. Also even if they knew each other why show kingpin that they are in an organization like that. I think Kingpin is head of the Hand in the comics at some point but MCU King Pin doesnt seem to be aware.

Gao is not chinese. She confirmed that. We do not know what nationality or affiliation she has. She seems to be using the Hand though for her own gain.
it wasn't really that clear. the Hand debuted in daredevil season 1 and they could've made it clear there.
it's not like it was some sort OMG twist reveal that Gao was part of the Hand. when it was introduced into iron fist it was kind of like an expectation for the audience and a reveal for some of the characters. so they could've just made it clearer from the beginning that Gao and Nobu both had their own factions.

as for Gao
not being Chinese, maybe she ain't but all the people that work for her seem to be. she's got some ties to Chinese roots even if her actual heritage is something beyond that
 

caliph95

Member
How the fuck did this get a 17% on Rotten Tomatoes? Absolutely insane. No way was Luke Cage better. Hell I enjoyed it end to end more than Daredevil and Jessica Jones. Those shows are better as a complete package because the highs are realllly high but Iron Fist has superior pacing. It never lagged like pretty much every other Marvel show I watch.
This pacing is as bad and in some cases worse than the other show as as being more dull than even LC second half lunacy.
 

Kelsdesu

Member
Does anybody else agree that Colleen looked absolutely ridiculous when she was running with the sword? The angle was horrible and they did it twice. She looked so unathletic they couldn't get a stunt double for that?


What irritated me more was that the intro character didn't even look like he knew what he was doing. It just looked so stiff. Its almost as if the guys animating it were told not to make it look good and out do Finn Jones.

Shun di from the Vf2 intro looked more legit then that.


The constant cuts in the fight scenes were annoying as all hell. There was even a part when Danny fights
Bakuto
that I could plainly see it was a stunt double. Were they trying?

This was a shit show to the highest degree. Unless the Inhumans somehow out does it.
 

lt519

Member
I fell asleep during Luke Cage and I never fall asleep during TV, that was crazy. This having worse critical reception than that doesn't give me hope. I also did not like Jessica Jones or the latter half of DD Season 2. I'm not all that hyped for the Defenders but if it ends up being good I can't see myself working through Luke Cage and Iron Fist just to watch it.
 
It is what it is now. Can't fault the actor. He's was doing the best he could under the circumstances. Blame the Showrunner and producers.
I blame Marvel too or the casting director, whoever he is because it's their fault Ser Loras got the part. The whole controversy has indoctrinated me into thinking that the role in this modern day an age would've been better suited for an Asian.
 

KarmaCow

Member
Episode 6

How do you have an episode about a series of fights and have it end up like that? Yikes. There was something to Danny actually having conversations with harsh mentor out loud, but it's a bizarre thing to introduce half way through the show.
 
Jones' casting was first reported by EW in late February of last year, and as best I can tell, filming began in mid-April, so I'm not sure how that adds up to three weeks.
 

LotusHD

Banned
How the fuck did this get a 17% on Rotten Tomatoes? Absolutely insane. No way was Luke Cage better. Hell I enjoyed it end to end more than Daredevil and Jessica Jones. Those shows are better as a complete package because the highs are realllly high but Iron Fist has superior pacing. It never lagged like pretty much every other Marvel show I watch.

We all got opinions lol
 

rackham

Member
This show could have been saved if at least half the plot took place in kun lun. It was just lacking in everything. Not worth the wait imo. Was really disappointed that we didn't even see Danny in a rough hero costume
 

Noks415

Member
Just finished watching episode 3. It is definitely the worst of the Marvel Netflix shows but from the reviews/reactions I was expecting complete shit. The show is watchable and so far it's holding my attention, but I wouldn't disaggree with most of criticisms thrown at it.
I mean my wife watches Arrow and The Flash and I occasionally catch some parts and boy is there some cringiness and camp all over those shows, and I just can't get into them but I see why she enjoys them. They are fun. I guess Iron fist is to me what those shows are to her. People should just give it a shot.
 

Pachimari

Member
This pacing is as bad and in some cases worse than the other show as as being more dull than even LC second half lunacy.
The pacing in Iron Fist is better. Luke Cage could feel heavy and like a drag a lot of times. Iron Fist does not. At least not in the first half of which I've seen.

Jones' casting was first reported by EW in late February of last year, and as best I can tell, filming began in mid-April, so I'm not sure how that adds up to three weeks.
He have said so himself in the video interview with IGN.
 

Jake2by4

Member
No, I read that same interview. Still not sure why it was so rushed given when his casting was reported, but I suppose the rumored pre-production and development troubles could explain that.

We will never know what was going behind the scene but him having less then prep time then Charlie Cox in DD when IF is more action intense is big misstep on Marvel part.

I blame Marvel too or the casting director, whoever he is because it's their fault Ser Loras got the part. The whole controversy has indoctrinated me into thinking that the role in this modern day an age would've been better suited for an Asian.

Not according to the casting director.
 
I mean for god sakes BvS is 10 points higher than Iron Fist? BvS?! That's literally one of, if not the worst film I have ever seen. Same for Suicide Squad.

Reviewers failed us.
 

Pachimari

Member
To me Finn Jones is perfectly cast as Danny Rand to the point I can't see anyone else being Danny. He just need to learn fight choreography but that's the production's fault.

If they get the right people in and give them enough preparation time, Season 2 can become such a gem.
 
To me Finn Jones is perfectly cast as Danny Rand to the point I can't see anyone else being Danny. He just need to learn fight choreography but that's the production's fault.

If they get the right people in and give them enough preparation time, Season 2 can become such a gem.
his acting was good but I can't say it was a perfect casting choice
Laray Mayfield
Julie Schubert
These are the casting directors I think. They don't seem to have a bad track record when it comes to casting.
this time they did. it's their job but I wouldn't know why they'd choose someone who auditioned without martial arts experience over someone who did
 
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