Then I don't think you should be playing the game. And I also think you'll be doing a poor job of supporting the creators, which you said was something you liked to do. Because yes, some of the money Nintendo got from that lost WiiU sale would've gone to the creators, or to any other department that ultimately helped the game become a thing.
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Eurogamer: BotW running on CEMU showing remarkable progress
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so you are jsut concern trolling... oh I thought you were genuinely asking.
no one is saying you can't pirate it. you can, but its piracy.
it doesnt mean the emulatior should not exist.
Whether people are being selective in their complaint doesn't matter, in the end.
Developing an emulator that doesn't rely on copyrighted code isn't illegal, and piracy is a broad enough subject that it's a tangent (and specifically not being justified) in the topic.
Well, turns out this wasn't my last post anways because i'm bad at self-control.
(1) I wasn't talking about wether it exists or not, but wether it should exist or not, something the poster i replied to was rather inherently disagreeing with
(2) I don't think i've said that did i? Piracy only exists in the context of this argument because that's what initially spawned this additional sociopolitical argument. I'm exclusively talking about the inherent idea that poor people do not deserve entertainment.
I'm talking about the concept of poor people and their right to entertainment.
Wether we are talking about piracy, a library of legally freely avilable PDF-Files or a neighbour in your street doing a no-entry-cost circus does not matter to my point.
Tho i can understand why you think i'm talking about piracy specifically, given the thread and all.
BigEmil
Junior Member
That's not true
Huge Succeeded
Banned
wow this shit makes poly look like wsj and 'dropping Nintendo a line' is the shit-cherry on top
Steve Youngblood
Member
Wait what? Let me get this straight, we are not supposed to accuse this thing as any form of pirating but asking for download link isn't ok? So is it piracy or not?
''It's not piracy, but don't ask for a link!'' That doesn't make any sense to me.
It there's even a link, it means the game is basically accessible to everyone, is it not?
I just googled ''cemu botw download'' and realized you can download this thing very easily. As far as I know, it's free too.
There's even a sub-Reddit called ''Cemu Piracy'', what in the hell is this!?
What?!
I am so confused, please someone explain to me how exactly does CEMU work and why it's not piracy at all.
I get it, games needs to be preserved. I agree 100%
but emulator like this shouldn't be available to anyone other than the devs themselves.
The issue I see is that I think some people are simply incapable of understanding nuance. This forum does not condone piracy. If you admit to piracy and we notice it, you will be banned. We are not interested in links to material that can facilitate piracy. But we stop short of thinking that it's our job to enforce IP laws and shake down anyone that we suspect might be pirating something.
The question I would ask is "do you think it's impossible that someone might legally own the software and hardware in question and still be interested in an emulated version just due to the possibilities that emulation allows?" This is a rhetorical question as the answer is obviously "yes." This is a legitimately interesting topic of conversation. Plenty of real, honest, paying consumers are also interested in Breath of the Wild (and Wii U games in general) being emulated. Do they outnumber the pirates? Perhaps not. But that's not our concern.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Are you, though? That's what I was asking before. Is there no such thing as "software X is licensed to be used on hardware Y"? I don't know, that's why I'm asking.
Chinbo37
Member
I don't have a problem with people emulating who own the software and the hardware like you. By all means, enjoy. You're doing nothing wrong.
Welcome to the internet friend. You will find a lot of content here, content that is disgusting to some people, content that is illegal in some countries, etc.
CEMU is a piece of software written from scratch (this is important while talking about copyright for software) by a team of people that aims to emulate the behavior of the Wii U videogame console and that allows to run its games on PC.
CEMU is not distributed with any nintendo software and no part of its code is Nintendo's property so it's perfectly legal.
Feels so good to read.
Can you guys make a big (disgusting) if to add a warning under the thread title with that sentence everytime the title contains cemu or emulation? It would help.
Soul of the Beast
Member
Thanks.
That explains a lot, so you are NOT SUPPOSED to download the entire game of Breath of the Wild on the internet and then run it on your CEMU right?
You are SUPPOSED to buy a copy of Breath of the Wild Wii U and then run it with the CEMU on your PC, is that correct?
chillybright
Banned
Typical emulation thread.
mr teaspoon
Member
Okay, well, I think that's going to be an irreconcilable difference for us. I'm arguing from a moral stance -- piracy is stealing. Nintendo created this game. It's their property. They can release it any way they please. They have chosen not to release their game on PC. You are circumventing that and making it so that people don't have to buy their hardware in order to enjoy the game, something they clearly don't want done with their property.
It's stealing. The biggest negative, aside from that, is that entire generations will now grow up with this entitlement of 'Well, I can do it so it's fine.' or 'I want it so it's fine.'
Well, that's all fine, and I appreciate your point, but I'm really only interested in the moral case for why stealing a game is okay.
papercan55
Member
Wait what? Let me get this straight.
We are not supposed to accuse this thing as any form of pirating but asking for download links isn't ok?
So is it piracy or not?
I don't think I get it.
''It's not piracy, but don't ask for a link!'' That doesn't make any sense to me.
It there's even a link, it means the game is basically accessible to everyone, is it not?
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I just googled ''CEMU Breath of the Wild download'' and I am surprised how easy it is to download this thing. You can simply just click on it and boom, you have it.
As far as I know, it's completely free too.
There's even a sub-Reddit called ''Cemu Piracy'', what in the hell is this!?
What?!
I am so confused, please someone explain to me how exactly does CEMU work and why it's not piracy at all.
I get it, games needs to be preserved. I agree 100%
but emulator like this shouldn't be available to anyone other than the devs themselves, at least not until years or even decades later.
Outside of this forum the emulator is used by a lot of pirates, simply downloading the game for free.
This forum is different though, people here all purchased their own wii u consoles and purchase legal copies of zelda so it's different, they have all paid for the hardware and software so it's not piracy but game preservation via emulation.
This forum doesn't like piracy but we can discuss it because everyone here pays for all the the hardware and software before emulating it.
mr teaspoon
Member
Well, you are if that's the way the company has chosen to make their property available.
Quoting myself....anyone?
But software X is being used on hardware Y. It's just that the hardware is being simulated. But it's still running on hardware Y. That would only be relevant if they were literally porting the game to a native PC port, which they aren't.
Zurick
Banned
Technically he can just buy BOTW and play it on CEMU.
I do think it'd go similar to this thread, honestly.
Alright, we good then.
Sorry if I caught you the wrong way.
Correct, the disc's data also must be your own, so it must be ripped via your own Wii U to be legit.
It's not complicated at all, if you already own the consoles and games that permits you to casually play as 'normal', you have the right to play it on your PC as long as all the data comes from your own personal stuff.
mr teaspoon
Member
I'm confused as to why people think cutting the hardware out of the equation is fair or okay or anything like that.
Nintendo is a hardware and a software company. They create great software so you'll buy the hardware.
Napalm_Frank
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PC ports of games should be banned because they encourage piracy.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
Yeah, technically.
but I've got a Wii U and Switch copy of Breath of the Wild (uh oh, I'd better watch out for witch-hunt douchebags who require picture proof) and I'm just going to download a Wii U copy when I play it on CEMU because I've got nothing to rip or run my Wii U version onto my computer with.
I own two copies of the game so it's hard for me to see any moral quandary there
Zurick
Banned
For a split second, I thought you were serious.
Then I noticed your avatar. God bless you man.
Is it okay to buy a game for a console you don't own and play it with a friend's console?
Then so is using a friend's console to dump your games.
I've "cut the hardware out of the equation" before Wii U emulation was even a thing.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
I dunno if it's a Nintendo-centric issue as much as it is a Zelda Fanboy-centric issue.
Zelda is a huge title from Nintendo. Five years, 400 people and millions of dollars were spent on this title and folks enjoying the game largely feel like Nintendo should probably be paid for their work.
It's not often that a console title gets emulated so soon after release, as most people associate emulation with reliving games from decades ago, reliving memories of games no longer sold new at retail.
Since Zelda is a fresh new title that's still purchasable on store shelves, they associate emulation with piracy, since you likely didn't pay for those games you're playing from decades ago, so those individuals playing Zelda on their PCs now aren't likely paying for it either.
It doesn't help that some of the more...cultish PC gaming folks seem to be almost allergic to consoles, like they would rather burn down their home than own one. Becuase of this they also feel like they're either: a) Not deserving of Zelda in some way and b) Most likely not paying for it because they don't have a console to rip it from in the first place.
And that's really about it. Fanboys feel like Nintendo should be paid for their hard work and Emulation, they feel, is piracy, so they feel the need to defend it.
Soul of the Beast
Member
What?! How the fuck am I trolling!?
Jesus fucking christ, instead of shutting down my questions with ''you are just trolling now'' why don't you just explain it to me like other guys did?
Anyone who doesn't understand how emulator works and fear that it could be piracy is trolling now?
I didn't even accuse it as piracy, read my post. All I said was ''someone please explain to me why this isn't piracy?'' and now they explained, and then I understand, CEMU is not piracy, but Breath of Wild download link is.
Is that really so fucking hard?
Do you shut down everything you didn't want to see with ''could you stop trolling'' shit posts?
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Well this really seems like Eurogamer snitching a bit here, lol.
Nintendo is known to shut down for-profit fan projects, and even if they may not have strict legal leverage to do so here, it could get messy if they decide to try.
Nintendo is known to shut down for-profit fan projects, and even if they may not have strict legal leverage to do so here, it could get messy if they decide to try.
If you want to support the creators, like the user I was replying to said he does, then you shouldn't.
Chinbo37
Member
Ya isnt it funny that PC games are cracked often soon after release and you never get insane shit storm threads like this one here?
Where was the crazy outrage when Doom was cracked? Did every Doom discussion devolve into an anti piracy one?
Why cant we discuss CEMU without all this extra stuff?
Velocity:Design:Comfort
Banned
You should play BOTW on CEMU or whatever way you want. I'm not in this thread to talk against that or get involved with that argument. But these two statements are so hyperbolic it treads into purposeful misinformation territory, to be honest.
Because I literally own the game.
I have purchased the disk, containing the code, for the game to operate. If at that point I want to design (or use) a system that can interpret that disk and play it outside of the original manufacturer's hardware, that is within my legal right. Nintendo cannot physically, nor legally stop me from doing so. I have not stolen from Nintendo, because I actively purchased their game. Buying a WiiU is not a requirement to legally play a WiiU game. If this is the line of thought, then all emulation is bunk. For all systems. No one could "legally" play any game on any emulator for all of time.
What can Nintendo do? They can deny me support if something went wrong, as the emulator is not "their" software. They could, if they so chose, deny me the ability to purchase games from them directly, as is their discretion at any time for any reason. They can't stop me from doing what I do with the thing that I physically own and legally purchased.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
I mean the rest of your post made some sense until you veered of into this happy horseshit LMAO. This entire statement is just a passive agressive "I think PC elitism is also responsible!" and it makes no sense at all
that shit is basically bringing gamefaqs-level beefs here. You've got nothing to back this assertion with in this thread, it's just a passive jab at PC gaming that doesn't even apply here, not in this thread, not even on this forum.
By your logic anyone with a used Wii U shouldn't be playing the game either.
Ya'll with used Wii Us best go ahead and trash your copy of Zelda right now.
Zelda especially a Zelda with the most perfect scores in metacritic history is a system seller.
To have a system seller like Zelda to be emulated on PC with better graphics within 6 months of release will obviously hurt Nintendo.
Imagine if all the top PS4 exclusives can be emulated on PC. There would be no reason for alot of people to buy a PS4, which could potentially mean Sony loses out PS4 hardware sales, software sales and online fee sales.
Yes legally this is 100 percent allowed. But i can understand why Nintendo would be bothered about this. Also the fact that this isn't open source makes the whole preservation argument moot. Finally the fact that the CEMU debs making a ton of money even if it is through Patreon is kind of odd.
Where would we draw the line. Obviously this won't happen but what if we live in a future where CEMU and Zelda downloads are higher than Switch and Zelda sales and let's say Switch gets emulated and emulator downloads are higher than Switch software sales. Why should Nintendo be bothered to make games especially games that are niche that don't have casual appeal as those surely won't sell as well.
To have a system seller like Zelda to be emulated on PC with better graphics within 6 months of release will obviously hurt Nintendo.
Imagine if all the top PS4 exclusives can be emulated on PC. There would be no reason for alot of people to buy a PS4, which could potentially mean Sony loses out PS4 hardware sales, software sales and online fee sales.
Yes legally this is 100 percent allowed. But i can understand why Nintendo would be bothered about this. Also the fact that this isn't open source makes the whole preservation argument moot. Finally the fact that the CEMU debs making a ton of money even if it is through Patreon is kind of odd.
Where would we draw the line. Obviously this won't happen but what if we live in a future where CEMU and Zelda downloads are higher than Switch and Zelda sales and let's say Switch gets emulated and emulator downloads are higher than Switch software sales. Why should Nintendo be bothered to make games especially games that are niche that don't have casual appeal as those surely won't sell as well.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Keep in mind that these aren't my viewpoints, simply the (potential) viewpoints of those that automatically assume "Emulation = Piracy"
Steve Youngblood
Member
I never argued that stealing the game is ok. I think you are misconstruing what I'm arguing entirely. What I'm saying is that if my intentions are pure, I'm not all that worried that other people might be using this bad things. And I realize that this is almost venturing into gun control territory where I sound like a "guns don't kill people, people do" advocate. And I want to note that I'm just using that as a springboard here and really, really don't want to turn this thread into a gun control debate. But using that as an inspiration, I'll admit that it is of interest to try and determine actual negative impact from this. Like if you told me that you could definitively prove that Nintendo lost "X millions of sales" from this and that of all the people playing the game on CEMU, only 10 had legitimately bought a copy, that might give me pause. I might conclude that this emulator's existence is doing more harm than good in the grand scheme of things. But if it's just "any piracy is bad and thus this is bad!" then I don't find this particularly compelling.
Doubt that its Zelda/Nintendo related....if there was a way to emulate/download Uncharted 4 or Horizon in the first month of its release and had a couple of threads about it - there would be as many people wondering about its legality. Especially since GAF has a no piracy policy...so for someone who isnt as invested in emulation it can come off as contradiction.
Doesnt help that this is the key title and system seller for a new console that just launched.
Doesnt help that this is the key title and system seller for a new console that just launched.
I hope you never borrowed a 3ds from a friend to play a game, you pirate! /s
LordRaptor
Member
Eurogamer talking about it as a "fan made Pc port" really doesn't help the piracy aspect, as it implies its in the same ballpark as other 'fan games' as a stand alone download
Huge Succeeded
Banned
edit: oooooooh
that was a hard one to parse but it just clicked, my B. I don't fully agree but I understand now.
Soul of the Beast
Member
Thanks guys, now I understand how this CEMU thing works. It's definitely not piracy.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
I don't even know what Denuvo is, TBH.
But GAF has one.
If you come out and post that you downloaded X game, you'll be automatically banned. The thing here is that some less-experienced people around emulation have problems making the nuance that you can obtain your own ROMs yourself, thus relating emulation to straight piracy.
I'd suggest reading the FAQ about that.
papercan55
Member
nah mate, not by some of the comments in this thread
I don't this is true at all.
I've been closely following the CEMU thread and everyone here seems to own both a wii u console and a copy of the game they wish to play via the emulator so i think it's ok.
I did see one comment on this thread about not owning a wii u console but wanting to download zelda but i think they must have been joking or trolling.
Fun stuff:
People were able to emulate Ocarina of Time 64 back then as well. The game logic was 100% perfect, just some bad effects in some parts.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Wait, CEMU is for-profit? Now THAT I don't see how you can think is fine. They're, at least indirectly, making money off Nintendo's software then.
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