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The Fate of the Furious / Fast and Furious 8 *SPOILER THREAD*

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SuperStiltzkin

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Mrbob said:
Statham saved this movie for me. He was so good and glad he had such a big focus. Brooding, moping Dom didn't do it for me. There were too many contrived scenes like trying to explain why Brian wasn't there out how Dom's baby mama gets knocked off.
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I don't see how those scenes are contrived. Movie would be worse if they just ignored Brian's existence in light of Dom's betrayal. Letty not wanting to bring Brian into this because he's retired and has a child to look after makes sense.

Elena getting knocked off doesn't sit well with me though. It's probably the darkest this series has ever been and her death doesn't get acknowledged by anyone other than Dom. She already had a happy sendoff in Furious 7 with a promotion. Really should have been Han being held captive. That way they could have tied it into Statham's redemption.
 
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norm9

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Han went underground after the explosion only to reappear in Gang Related. LAPD are bad at background checks.
 
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Egg0

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Just saw it, the Shaw thing is really weird. Like I was hyped as fuck when they revealed Owen even though I had a suspicion like 5 seconds before it happened. But Deckard being part of the crew feels strange.

Like.. he KILLED HAN, WTF Dom. I know he and Owen helped saved your son and all but man. I also felt they toned him down a bit and made him a bit goofier with the extraction scene with the baby. Only way I can feel good about him part of the fam is if they retcon him killing Han. Would watch a Hobbes/Shaw brothers spin-off.

If Deckard can join them, I can still see Cipher joining them in 10 if not 9. When Ramsey probably dies or something. At least Owen wasn't at the ending dinner scene. Would have been awkward what with Letty and all.

Is Scott Eastwood good in anything? I've only seen him in this and Suicide Squad? I think. He's a charisma blackhole and made me wish Jai Courtney was there instead.

All in all an enjoyable FF movie. 5,6,7 still top 3.

Also I notice that Vin and Rock didn't share a single scene together except for background shots. The characters only talked to each other in a phone call at the beginning. Maybe after Dom wrecks Rock to get the EMP, they could be seen together, but I feel like there were stand ins or something.
 
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this_guy

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Just saw it - thought it was much better than 7 and on par with 6 (5 is still the best). I thought the tone was a little dark for a Fast and Furious movie, but Statham's airplane scene brought the tone back where it should be. I enjoyed it overall.
 
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Zen Aku

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SuperStiltzkin said:
I don't see how those scenes are contrived. Movie would be worse if they just ignored Brian's existence in light of Dom's betrayal. Letty not wanting to bring Brian into this because he's retired and has a child to look after makes sense.

Elena getting knocked off doesn't sit well with me though. It's probably the darkest this series has ever been and her death doesn't get acknowledged by anyone other than Dom. She already had a happy sendoff in Furious 7 with a promotion. Really should have been Han being held captive. That way they could have tied it into Statham's redemption.
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Yeah Dom and Letty didn't need a kid to tie them down. At least not yet, save that for a flash forward scene when they decide to hang up this series. Poor Elena, I didn't mind at all that she is in this but they should have included her in a different way. Like Hobbs calling her for help in a scene. Cypher's capturing Han and held him captive for all those years. Being tortured because Cypher hates Dom for interfering with her plans, then having the Shaw brothers rescuing him would have been so much better.

That way Dom can forgive the brothers and Han as well.

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Also okay let's chill here, Scott Eastwood isn't the most charismatic guy out there, especially not even in the same room as the Rock, Vin Diesel, Kurt Russel or hell, even Ludicris.

But I'd rather have him than Jai "Stone Cold Dead" Courtney.
 
Grizzlyjin

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Sorcerer said:
So is Theron going to redeem herself in 9 and join the family as she joins the crew to fry a bigger fish?
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Almost certainly. The options are:

1. Cipher is gone forever. She just got away
2. Cipher comes back to help against a new threat
3. Cipher comes back as the next villain

1 would be incredibly lame. 3 would be boring. 2 lets them bring back Charlize, and scoop on another big name actor to play the villain. I guess they could have Cipher come back paired with someone new too. Charlize will almost certainly come back. This movie must've been the easiest paycheck she's ever gotten. The vast majority of her scenes were in the airplane set barking orders at random keyboard grunts.

F8 is so weird when you go by Hollywood blockbuster logic because the main villain got away and...nobody really cared. I don't think I've ever seen a major movie where the primary bad guy just jetted off and there wasn't a stinger or something that involved going after them. The redhead dude died, which I guess is supposed to be satisfying since he technically killed Elena. But Cipher told him to do it and orchestrated this entire thing. Weird.
 
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Zen Aku

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I really hope they don't bring Cypher back to lets her join the team. They already went down that route with Deckard and possibly Owen. That would be retreading old ground with "let's forgive the last movie antagonist even though they killed someone we cared about"

They made it okay this time around with how Dom forgive the Shaw brothers but even that isn't 100% believable.

I rather have Cypher come back as a villain but this time with help. Shit, bring in a Legion of Doom. I don't think the family have ever gone up against a team of supervillains before.
 
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ClosingADoor

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Renpatsu said:
Not to attribute too much thought to it, but it's interesting that Fast and the Furious is one of the few action movie franchises that allows their antagonists a redemption. Obviously it is only when it's creatively convenient and they do the bare minimum of writing to support it, but nonetheless it makes the franchise quasi-progressive in that regard even if unintentional.

That said I hope Theron remains a villain though, in spite of her alluding to holding governments accountable for their transgressions even that seems like a stretch. Not everyone needs to become a part of the 'family'.
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It will totally turn out Mr. Nobody is actually the evil mastermind and Cipher is in the right to keep him accountable.
 
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More_Badass

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Grizzlyjin said:
Almost certainly. The options are:

1. Cipher is gone forever. She just got away
2. Cipher comes back to help against a new threat
3. Cipher comes back as the next villain

1 would be incredibly lame. 3 would be boring. 2 lets them bring back Charlize, and scoop on another big name actor to play the villain. I guess they could have Cipher come back paired with someone new too. Charlize will almost certainly come back. This movie must've been the easiest paycheck she's ever gotten. The vast majority of her scenes were in the airplane set barking orders at random keyboard grunts
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They're clearly setting her up as the big villain for the new trilogy. Making her the mastermind behind the last two movies, and having her escape?
 
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Egg0

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Zen Aku said:
Also okay let's chill here, Scott Eastwood isn't the most charismatic guy out there, especially not even in the same room as the Rock, Vin Diesel, Kurt Russel or hell, even Ludicris.

But I'd rather have him than Jai "Stone Cold Dead" Courtney.
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I can go either way honestly, I at least liked Jai Courtney as Captain Boomerang for the amount of time he was in SS.

Also that role called for almost no action, they could've gotten a comedic actor to fill it.
 
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Leithkorias

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You know, I wish they had simply broken the fourth wall and had Dom name his son Paul.


Brian is alive and well in the movie lore, so it makes less sense to name him Brian.


Even though it makes no sense to name him Paul as far as the movies story is concerned, I would have loved it. In the same way that doms goodbye to brian at the end of F7 was really a goodbye for Paul.
 
Darkangel

Darkangel

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Would it have been too disrespectful to have a Rogue One style CGI Paul Walker at the final dinner scene? I know he's "retired", but it's really weird how the family has seemingly cut off all contact. When Letty told Dom "Don't worry, he'll be here soon", I assumed it was a clever way to explain Brian's absence, but it turned out to just be about Dom's son.
 
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Heretic

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Leithkorias said:
You know, I wish they had simply broken the fourth wall and had Dom name his son Paul.


Brian is alive and well in the movie lore, so it makes less sense to name him Brian.


Even though it makes no sense to name him Paul as far as the movies story is concerned, I would have loved it. In the same way that doms goodbye to brian at the end of F7 was really a goodbye for Paul.
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Excellent idea. Missed opportunity here.
 
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Jack Scofield

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Leithkorias said:
You know, I wish they had simply broken the fourth wall and had Dom name his son Paul.


Brian is alive and well in the movie lore, so it makes less sense to name him Brian.


Even though it makes no sense to name him Paul as far as the movies story is concerned, I would have loved it. In the same way that doms goodbye to brian at the end of F7 was really a goodbye for Paul.
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I didn't mind the son being named Brian. It makes sense within the film and audiences understand the meaning behind it anyway.
 
Good Guy Gone Bad

Good Guy Gone Bad

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Egg0 said:
Also I notice that Vin and Rock didn't share a single scene together except for background shots. The characters only talked to each other in a phone call at the beginning. Maybe after Dom wrecks Rock to get the EMP, they could be seen together, but I feel like there were stand ins or something.
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Yeah it sort of reminded me of The Good Wife on CBS where two of the main characters only ever spoke over the phone and only ever shared the same scene using camera trickery. I'm pretty sure that they didn't shoot any scenes together for this movie. Doesn't really matter because their dynamic isn't too important to the overall picture.
 
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Khansolo1

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What if instead of dom, it was Hobbs turning his back on family?
I mean Elena was already working with Hobbs in F7 and Hobbs knocks up Elena rather than dom. Cypher then kidnaps Elena and baby-rock.
Mr. nobody then forces dom and the family to work with deckard. Now obviously there is going to be tension there since Deckard killed Han.
But in the end, they work out each other's differences.
it's absolutely shit isn't it?
 
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SwordStruck

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Really enjoyed it, I'll have to watch it again but at the moment I'd put it at second or third best, with 5/6 being up there with it.
 
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Kinyou

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Egg0 said:
Also I notice that Vin and Rock didn't share a single scene together except for background shots. The characters only talked to each other in a phone call at the beginning. Maybe after Dom wrecks Rock to get the EMP, they could be seen together, but I feel like there were stand ins or something.
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To be fair, Diesel doesn't share a scene with many from the team. Like, I can't think of a scene where he interacted with Tyrese or Ludacris.

I know there are these rumors that Diesel and the Rock have beef, but I wouldn't take shared screen time as the confirmation. Wouldn't it also make more sense if the Rock got pissed at someone he had to work a lot with?
 
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Tetsujin_MK

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Just came back from the theater.

Man, this movie didn't sit well with me. I honestly would've liked them go more into the direction of Fast Five with ridiculous car action heists and such instead of all this Mission Impossible government super spy stuff with drones and hackers and EMPs and nuclear weapons that they've increasingly been doing the last few movies.. Just doesn't feel like Fast and Furious.

Also, the Shaws being forgiven is fucking bullshit.
"Oh, they were forced to work for Cypher! I guess." Even if that is so, doesn't really let them off the hook now, does it? They were clearly scumbags before this retcon. Dude murdered his way through a hospital at the start of 7 just to see his brother for five minutes.

Feels super wrong for him to get chummy with Toretto now. =/

Ridiculous as it would have been, I was almost expecting Han to still be alive at the end to make it work. "Oh yeah, didn't really kill your buddy in Tokyo. Here he is! Surprise! We good now, right?"
 
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number11

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Glad to hear the Han storyline isn't over. I feel more sorry for Elena though. She got screwed over 3 movies in a row. With Letty back, it would be weird to have her join the team, but still.

And can someone explain the timeline to me. That baby should really be at least 3 years old right?
 
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daffy

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SuperStiltzkin said:
I don't see how those scenes are contrived. Movie would be worse if they just ignored Brian's existence in light of Dom's betrayal. Letty not wanting to bring Brian into this because he's retired and has a child to look after makes sense.

Elena getting knocked off doesn't sit well with me though. It's probably the darkest this series has ever been and her death doesn't get acknowledged by anyone other than Dom. She already had a happy sendoff in Furious 7 with a promotion. Really should have been Han being held captive. That way they could have tied it into Statham's redemption.
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Gonna be hard if Rock returns for F9ne despite now being retired for family reasons. How they gonna do that and not Brian?
 
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Brakke

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I love the heck out of Han but I really don't think I want him to revive. I think it's actually good these movies have stakes.
 
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Renpatsu

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ZackieChan said:
It was me Dom! It was always me! The architect of your pain.
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I find it hilarious that in the ensuing escalation of the franchise Dom and the crew was inadvertently stepping all over Cypher's toes leading to her targeting Dom in this film. She wouldn't have even known who they were if not for all the spectacular shit they pull in the previous two films.
 
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BronsonLee

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ZackieChan said:
It was me Dom! It was always me! The architect of your pain.
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Ya it's some serious Spectre shit and that's wack

Renpatsu said:
I find it hilarious that in the ensuing escalation of the franchise Dom and the crew was inadvertently stepping all over Cypher's toes leading to her targeting Dom in this film. She wouldn't have even known who they were if not for all the spectacular shit they pull in the previous two films.
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Should've just stuck to boosting safes in Rio
 
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Egg0

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Kinyou said:
To be fair, Diesel doesn't share a scene with many from the team. Like, I can't think of a scene where he interacted with Tyrese or Ludacris.
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True. Even during that part where they block him from an explosion at the end and they get out of their car. After they get out, you mostly just see the back of his head and then him and Michelle Rodriguez react to something Tyrese says.

It's super weird to think about, but I probably wouldn't notice anything if those rumors hadn't surfaced. Sorta like the Paul Walker CG in 7.
 
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Zen Aku

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Leithkorias said:
You know, I wish they had simply broken the fourth wall and had Dom name his son Paul.


Brian is alive and well in the movie lore, so it makes less sense to name him Brian.


Even though it makes no sense to name him Paul as far as the movies story is concerned, I would have loved it. In the same way that doms goodbye to brian at the end of F7 was really a goodbye for Paul.
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No naming him Paul would have been too meta and out of context as fuck. The family would be like "ummm Paul is a nice name but why Paul? Who the fuck is Paul."

Brian is the most appropriate name because Brian is a brother to Dom. The only reason they got away with Dom speech about Brian retiring at the end of FF7 is because it was done tastefully fit in context to both Paul Walker passing and Brian retirement.

Speevy said:
Dom should have named his son Tuna because Bryan loved tuna.
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It was never about the crappy tuna sandwich. Should have named the kid "Quarter Mile".
 
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Aselith

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Leithkorias said:
You know, I wish they had simply broken the fourth wall and had Dom name his son Paul.


Brian is alive and well in the movie lore, so it makes less sense to name him Brian.


Even though it makes no sense to name him Paul as far as the movies story is concerned, I would have loved it. In the same way that doms goodbye to brian at the end of F7 was really a goodbye for Paul.
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Because children are never named after living people? lmao
 
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BronsonLee

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Dom: Kid's full name is Brian Hannibal Vincent Deckard Toretto
Deckard: Wait, why is my name the-
*Dom kicks Shaw off the roof*
Dom: ok there we go, perfect
 
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Zen Aku

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BronsonLee said:
Dom: Kid's full name is Brian Han Vincent Deckard Toretto
Deckard: Wait, why is my name the-
*Dom kicks Shaw off the roof*
Dom: for those that have left us too soon
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Fix that for ya.

Also I wonder where Owen is, back in prison after all that shit or was he not invited to Da Family dinner.
 
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user_nat

THE WORDS! They'll drift away without the _!
I love that this series is now so ridiculous that fans can come up with any sort of insane theories behind things and have them actually make sense.

Anyhow I think 9 needs to retire (or kill) Dom. Make The Rock the new front and centre character.
 
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lowhighkang_LHK

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Does anyone else find the constant gratuitous ass shots in the beginning of the movie to be a bit, I don't know...90s ish. Its like we get it, women equal ass in car culture movies but if I wanted that Id just watch a porno that I have super easy access to like everyone else in the world in the year 2017. It just felt so hammy and unnecessary, oh look, lets put these women in here for ass shots. If a video game did this kotaku would be writing 20 articles on it.


Aside from that, the movie was Avengers in cars. So whatever, whiz bangninja cool something something popcorn.
 
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norm9

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lowhighkang_LHK said:
Does anyone else find the constant gratuitous ass shots in the beginning of the movie to be a bit, I don't know...90s ish. Its like we get it, women equal ass in car culture movies but if I wanted that Id just watch a porno that I have super easy access to like everyone else in the world in the year 2017. It just felt so hammy and unnecessary, oh look, lets put these women in here for ass shots. If a video game did this kotaku would be writing 20 articles on it.
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Might be just you. Car culture, machismo, and ass shots go hand in hand.
 
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