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Can vanilla PS4 utilize this?

NO and neither can any of the xbox one family. They can all do FP16 but not dual.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

The issues with comparisons right now is that there is no benchmark with double-rate FP16 units because Vega is not out yet (you will see plenty of them in May).

Right now the only benchmark for games is FarCry that shows a 20% increase in performance with FP16 at quality trade off: http://www.hwupgrade.it/articoli/skvideo/1013/radeon-x800-e-il-momento-di-r420_19.html

Now we need to see how FP16 running twice faster than FP32 can increase this performance gain and if the trade off in image quality compenses it uses.

Vega launch this year will show a lot of comparisions.

Yeah i'm sure a PC run better frame in 1080p med quality than 1080p high quality.
What we need to see? FP16 is worse than FP32 in quality just like med quality is worse than high quality, plain and simple.

 

[Marmelade]

Yeah i'm sure a PC run better frame in 1080p med quality than 1080p high quality.
What we need to see? FP16 is worse than FP32 in quality just like med quality is worse than high quality, plain and simple.

Devs would only use FP16 where FP32 is not needed, as in it would not (too much or not at all) impact image quality

 

[Space_nut]

Devs would only use FP16 where FP32 is not needed, as in it would not (too much or not at all) impact image quality

And such cases to use it is very limited

 

[The Artisan]

you know i was just thinking.

metaphorically i am in a dark place right now, hopefully soon i'll see the light. but anyways, if scorpio is revealed to be 400, i will buy it.

and i was just thinking that it's really just to have the best console and a 4K blu ray player; right now i don't care about most xbox games BUT, it'll give me the opportunity to play the mass effect games again through BC.

which is awesome.

 

[LukasTaves]

No, that had nothing to do with FP16. They look like normal CBR reprojection artifacts.

But we don't know if the fp16 code for the cb resolve came from Sony. I find it likely because if they were trying to optimize for fp16 why would they would start it to a code they didn't code themselves, and perhaps the artifacts we are seeing are a result of fp16 being used across the board.

 

[LukasTaves]

The issues with comparisons right now is that there is no benchmark with double-rate FP16 units because Vega is not out yet (you will see plenty of them in May).

Right now the only benchmark for games is FarCry that shows a 20% increase in performance with FP16 at quality trade off: http://www.hwupgrade.it/articoli/skvideo/1013/radeon-x800-e-il-momento-di-r420_19.html

Now we need to see how FP16 running twice faster than FP32 can increase this performance gain and if the trade off in image quality compenses it uses.

Vega launch this year will show a lot of comparisions.

But that Far Cry improvement is due the bandwidth savings, there's no packing for double rate math on the hardware tested there.

 

[ethomaz]

But that Far Cry improvement is due the bandwidth savings, there's no packing for double rate math on the hardware tested there.

NV30 and NV40 can runs 2x FP16 instructions at the speed of 1x FP32 instruction because FP16 require one clock cycle while FP32 require two clock cycle.

It even didn't had the limitation to be packed two FP16 instruction of the same type of the double rate math in Vega.

The bench is exactly showing a case of FP16 running faster than FP32 and that give a overall 20% increase in framerates for this game.

 

[Liabe Brave]

But we don't know if the fp16 code for the cb resolve came from Sony. I find it likely because if they were trying to optimize for fp16 why would they would start it to a code they didn't code themselves, and perhaps the artifacts we are seeing are a result of fp16 being used across the board.

There is no way I can prove that your imagined string of events didn't actually occur. All I can say is that CBR has a tendency to create artifacts regardless of FP16 use, that Mass Effect uses CBR, and that it has artifacts that look typical. Parsimony leads us to an obvious cause-effect relationship. Any other theory you want to propose requires extraordinary evidence, I think.

 

[Colbert]

Hey guys and your FP16 talk. Do you want to derail all Xbox Scorpio threads with this?

 

[leeh]

There is no way I can prove that your imagined string of events didn't actually occur. All I can say is that CBR has a tendency to create artifacts regardless of FP16 use, that Mass Effect uses CBR, and that it has artifacts that look typical. Parsimony leads us to an obvious cause-effect relationship. Any other theory you want to propose requires extraordinary evidence, I think.

NV30 and NV40 can runs 2x FP16 instructions at the speed of 1x FP32 instruction because FP16 require one clock cycle while FP32 require two clock cycle.

It even didn't had the limitation to be packed two FP16 instruction of the same type of the double rate math in Vega.

The bench is exactly showing a case of FP16 running faster than FP32 and that give a overall 20% increase in framerates for this game.

There's a dedicated thread.

you know i was just thinking.

metaphorically i am in a dark place right now, hopefully soon i'll see the light. but anyways, if scorpio is revealed to be 400, i will buy it.

and i was just thinking that it's really just to have the best console and a 4K blu ray player; right now i don't care about most xbox games BUT, it'll give me the opportunity to play the mass effect games again through BC.

which is awesome.

All the best, hope you pull through quickly.

Kind Regards,
Internet Stranger

 

[EvB]

Hey guys and your FP16 talk. Do you want to derail all Xbox Scorpio threads with this?

It's all about reduced accuracy and quality, notice how they are 30% more efficient and ruining threads than normal

 

[Sony]

interdasting

That's odd. I remember the DF reveal video mentioning specific CPU customizations targeted at audio processing.

 

[Thats a Greay Area]

That's odd. I remember the DF reveal video mentioning specific CPU customizations targeted at audio processing.

It is odd that you remember that. They specifically said it was the same audio parts as the XB1 hence Dolby Atmos was coming to the XB1 also.

 

[Poster#1]

That would be nice. I have the chat pad plugged into my Elite, so I use the X1 and X2 buttons. Would be better to just have them built into the controller though.

If you need this, you can get it today:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/communications/chatpad

it has 2x buttons that you can configure yourself

I'd like to have it on the controller than a bulky attachment . I thought about buying it but i don't even write that many messages to get any use of it.

 

[c0de]

It is odd that you remember that. They specifically said it was the same audio parts as the XB1 hence Dolby Atmos was coming to the XB1 also.

Did it, though?

 

[Thats a Greay Area]

Did it, though?

In preview right now.

 

[Fredrik]

you know i was just thinking.

metaphorically i am in a dark place right now, hopefully soon i'll see the light. but anyways, if scorpio is revealed to be 400, i will buy it.

and i was just thinking that it's really just to have the best console and a 4K blu ray player; right now i don't care about most xbox games BUT, it'll give me the opportunity to play the mass effect games again through BC.

which is awesome.

Yeah I'm getting it for similar reasons, to upgrade the living room to 4K/UHD and for how I assume it will run old XB1 titles, 360BC, multiplats and for the Play Anywhere support.
Definitely seems like it'll be worth the money if it goes for $399, might be the hype but I could honestly see myself jumping in at $499 too.

 

[anothertech]

And such cases to use it is very limited

It's likely as Vega catches up with the rest of the world
The RPM tech may become much more intricate and developed, which will make it more widely used. But yes ATM, we have yet to see much use of it in really meaningful ways.

 

[EvB]

That's odd. I remember the DF reveal video mentioning specific CPU customizations targeted at audio processing.

There are 2 variants of one of the boards (that also contain the Wifi)
The Xbox One S uses the standard version and there was a second "Premium" version that had additional Audio IC's in it.
That is clearly for Scorpio, or Xbox One Premium

I've always wondered what that is for, but it sits at odds with what DF have said

The new x86 cores in Scorpio are 31 per cent faster than Xbox One's, with extensive customisation to reduce latency in order to keep the processor occupied more fully, while CPU/GPU coherency also gets a performance uplift. There's significant hardware offloading too - some of which is inherited from Xbox One, some of which is radically new. The audio processor in Xbox One is fully transplanted across to Scorpio and gains new functionality - spatial surround, effectively adding a 'height' component to the existing 7.1 set-up. Scorpio is set to receive support for Dolby Atmos for gaming, Dolby Atmos for headphones plus a Microsoft proprietary format called HRTF, developed by the Hololens team. Because the APB (audio processor block) hardware is basically identical to that found in Xbox One, it means that all existing iterations of the console will get the spatial surround upgrade.

 

[Sony]

It is odd that you remember that. They specifically said it was the same audio parts as the XB1 hence Dolby Atmos was coming to the XB1 also.

There are 2 variants of one of the boards (that also contain the Wifi)
The Xbox One S uses the standard version and there was a second "Premium" version that had additional Audio IC's in it.
That is clearly for Scorpio, or Xbox One Premium

I've always wondered what that is for, but it sits at odds with what DF have said

Ah I seen, I'm mistaken. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Colbert]

It's all about reduced accuracy and quality, notice how they are 30% more efficient and ruining threads than normal

LOL.

At least one example of a benefit of that feature for some guys here on the forum.

 

[Strootman]

 

[pitchfork]

334 quid! god i'd love this to be true haha

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

From what i remember that means 399us right.
That said should be place holder price i guess.

 

[pieface]

If it is that price then that would be amazing.

 

[ethomaz]

That is a big win for MS if true.

 

[Samurai G0SU]

Yeah come on - let me fulfill my dream of that $399 price point. gimmie that sweet 4k goodness

 

[Lucifon]

334 quid! god i'd love this to be true haha

It pretty much needs to be around that mark. PS4 Pro will almost undoubtedly be cheaper by the time Scorpio hits. For them to cost much more would be a completely stupid move after what happened at the beginning of this generation, regardless of what's inside it.

 

[Izuna]

334 quid! god i'd love this to be true haha

Lemme explain Brexit to you...

Price Parity

 

[pieface]

It pretty much needs to be around that mark. PS4 Pro will almost undoubtedly be cheaper by the time Scorpio hits. For them to cost much more would be a completely stupid move after what happened at the beginning of this generation, regardless of what's inside it.

I don't agree. I don't think they have to price match the PS4 Pro when they are using newer hardware. That seems a little excessive to me.

 

[The Inventor]

Just checked that website and no price.

 

[spannicus]

Ps4 pro is 399 why would a newer a much more powerful console be the same price. Thing is gonna be 499 without a doubt.

 

[gamz]

That would be amazing if true. Holy crap would that fly off the shelves.

 

[spannicus]

That would be amazing if true. Holy crap would that fly off the shelves.

It would but come on really? Lol

 

[oldergamer]

It having some customization doesn't mean it's more expensive to manufacture.

Still I don't see it being 400. My bet is 500.

 

[m23]

Most definitely a place holder price.

 

[wesleyshark]

Ps4 pro is 399 why would a newer a much more powerful console be the same price. Thing is gonna be 499 without a doubt.

A year had passed since the ps4 pro released

 

[leeh]

Got to be a placeholder, surely? Is that a large Spanish retailer?

 

[wesleyshark]

I still think it'll be $499, though.

 

[gamz]

It would but come on really? Lol

Trust me I'm not holding my breath and I fully expect 499, but I do find it odd that they are waiting for E3 to announce the price. That gives me hope for a miracle.

 

[Okami Haundo]

I'll gladly take a ban from Gaf if Scorpio doesn't have a $399 SKU. They need to hit that price for it to have any sort of relevance.

 

[spannicus]

A year had passed since the ps4 pro released

Understandable but i will bet this thing launches at 499. In all honesty 499 isnt a bad price for what you get. Scorpio will still be relevant at the 499 price point. Expect bundles maybe but 399. Nahhh.

 

[gamz]

Got to be a placeholder, surely? Is that a large Spanish retailer?

Then why is the price no longer there?

 

[wesleyshark]

Understandable but i will bet this thing launches at 499. In all honesty 499 isnt a bad price for what you get.

I agree that it'll probably be 499, but the pro will get at least a 50 price drop this holiday I bet.

 

[VE3TRO]

Xtralife have done quite a few leaks in the past and I think a few prices. Need to check them out see how accurate they were.

 

[m23]

Trust me I'm not holding my breath and I fully expect 499, but I do find it odd that they are waiting for E3 to announce the price. That gives me hope for a miracle.

I don't find it odd that they haven't announced a price yet, it's definitely not out of the ordinary to wait until e3 or even after e3.

 

[Giftofgab24]

you know i was just thinking.

metaphorically i am in a dark place right now, hopefully soon i'll see the light. but anyways, if scorpio is revealed to be 400, i will buy it.

and i was just thinking that it's really just to have the best console and a 4K blu ray player; right now i don't care about most xbox games BUT, it'll give me the opportunity to play the mass effect games again through BC.

which is awesome.

You ok bud? Feel free to PM me if you need to vent.

 

[leeh]

Then why is the price no longer there?

Don't do this to me.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Xbox One Xtreme

Day One Edition - $499 September 22nd - 2TB HDD and Day One or whatever on the controller. 1 month Game pass sub or similar.

Regular Launch - $399 November 10th - 1TB HDD