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Square Enix lists upcoming games, doesn't list Kingdom Hearts 3 as 2017
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TDLink
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First I've heard of that. I didn't think they gave any sort of hint as to when it'd be formally announced.
That's a good joke. Some fighting games have only like 12 characters at launch. This game already has the majority of the old cast and some new characters. They're still missing 10 or so characters from the prior games but I don't see how it's impossible to get that done for a fall release this year. They've had, for some reason, a shoestring team on the title since Arcades are only getting a new character about once per quarter. If they actually devoted resources the game could have all the veterans at this point.
NoctisVsStar
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Just because they announce and give you a quick trailer doesn't mean that the game is in dev. One thing about SE that everyone needs know they do this to appease stockholders for the most part.
KH3 was announced almost 4 years ago. FF7R was announced less than 2 years ago.
We've gotten tons of KH content since then, and FF7R's hype cycle was never going to clash with FF15 for all that time.
Matsuda was in charge when FF7 and KH3 were announced. And its not Nomura's job to hit milestones as they never had any milestones or deadlines set by SE as far as we know for KH3 or FF7R.
Platinum is a completely different studio from SE internal, the same with Setsuna and a completely different scope of game. FF14 is a completely different team which works on expansions only at this point, DQ 11 is also not done by SE, neither Octopath.
FF7R and KH3 has never been delayed.
All this stuff about KH3 being way more ambitious and easy bigger than any game before it.
How exactly do you parse that from less than 10 minutes of gameplay footage over 4 years?
Throwing a bunch of Heartless on screen in a barren map with some particle effects ain't exactly on the level of The Witcher 3.
How exactly do you parse that from less than 10 minutes of gameplay footage over 4 years?
Throwing a bunch of Heartless on screen in a barren map with some particle effects ain't exactly on the level of The Witcher 3.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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NoctisVsStar
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They did have a engine change.. how many assets were saved who knows? I'm sure a lot of stuff had to be built from the ground up.
its apples to oranges comparing the witcher 3 to a kingdom hearts game in the first place. They both come with their own set of challenges entirely.
Secondly, "throwing a bunch of heartless on screen in a barren map with some particle effects"
People are very ignorant of how game development works, and it annoys me because you have ignorant statements like these come out.
I Am Setsuna (Tokyo RPG Facotry, smaller in-house studio) and Nier Automata (Platinum Games) are technically not developed by SE though. My mentioning of XIV is meant to include the MMO and its expansions as a whole, and DQ as a franchise has always played it safe and sticks to its formula for success.
I get that FF and KH development has started since the last regime, but they're SE's flagship franchises and should be top priorities. The publishing side is pretty much their saving grace right now. Really hope we get more concrete details regarding KH3 by E3, it's been literally 4 years since I placed my preorder.
They can just rename Unchained/Union again, and call it a day.
Linkstrikesback
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Oh. So how long before they announce someone else has to take over so it actually gets released?
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Wait, the document says it's from Feb 2017...am I missing something or is this not new?
hosannainexcelsis
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I think Square is trying to increase the reputation and quality of their franchises - hence the massive marketing for FF XV and the extensive post-release patch support for it to respond to the criticisms people have made of it - but the people they have in charge over them such as Nomura and Tabata are just not up to the task. Hopefully the company has something worked out for FF XVI.
Living the Dream
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This is why I got rid of my PS4.
badcrumble
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I feel like Kingdom Hearts has some significant development advantages, if anything, insofar as it is *of necessity* separated into a bunch of wholly different worlds and genuine open-world mechanics are fundamentally incompatible with literally the basic concept of the series. It should be comparatively simple to develop a bunch of Disney worlds in parallel with each other and so on - basically, something not super far off from Kingdom Hearts 2 with modern graphics. Add in a fairly straightforward multiplayer arena mode akin to Birth By Sleep, focus most of the DLC plans around that, and you've got a fairly simple plan for success.
Stuff like giving each Keyblade a unique transformation mode, however, makes me worry that development on this one is... unfocused. Same problem with FF Versus XIII and trying to incorporate gunplay (with aiming and weak points instead of simple lock-on) into the game - in my opinion, you're much better off doing one core concept gameplay-wise and doing it exceedingly well. Dream Drop Distance is kind of a half-assed game (Birth By Sleep 0.2 also has its problems in this regard, though it was clearly never going to be a 'full' game) - the last time we got a Kingdom Hearts game that really felt full and polished content-wise was Birth By Sleep back in 2010.
That said, I'd never have expected it in 2017 and I'm surprised that some people did.
Stuff like giving each Keyblade a unique transformation mode, however, makes me worry that development on this one is... unfocused. Same problem with FF Versus XIII and trying to incorporate gunplay (with aiming and weak points instead of simple lock-on) into the game - in my opinion, you're much better off doing one core concept gameplay-wise and doing it exceedingly well. Dream Drop Distance is kind of a half-assed game (Birth By Sleep 0.2 also has its problems in this regard, though it was clearly never going to be a 'full' game) - the last time we got a Kingdom Hearts game that really felt full and polished content-wise was Birth By Sleep back in 2010.
That said, I'd never have expected it in 2017 and I'm surprised that some people did.
arturo2666
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Someone should teach SE how to make a deck. That slide is awful.
To be more serious, it's not hard to guess that they are aiming 2018 internally for the release of the game, especially since the demo was originally slated for 2016. Question is, are they able to reach that timeframe? I'm not confident. The marketing of XV started full force in 2014, two years prior to release. While KH3 marketing is still dead silent.
tons? really?...
Tons of F2P mobile gacha content ;-)
Spiritwalker
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Whatevz, I can wait a bit longer. FFXII is literally all I need for the rest of the year.
ChaosZeroX
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I mean they wouldn't list it on something like this right?
semiconscious
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this project hasn't made sense to me from the moment it was announced. i mean, yeah, part of me went 'whoa!', but most of me went 'nope! this's doomed...'
...NoctisVsStar
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Anyone expecting this to come out this year is a fool.
Actually, I think it's YOU that is unaware of how game development works.
See, I'm no developer, but I have an idea of what devs can go through in the industry, especially when it comes to deadlines. We hear stories about it all the time. People getting fired for being the dev behind a rushed product, or people getting fired for being the dev behind vaporware. It can be very touch and go when it comes to how long a game should be in the oven.
However, the common thread is that those devs all have deadlines to meet, and that's the case for everyone, no matter how talented you are. Even Hideo Kojima, arguably the most influential person in the entire industry, has deadlines to meet and people to answer to.
Nomura? Fuck meeting a deadline, he can't even set a deadline. Fuck a slow pace, he doesn't fucking move at any pace at all. Hell, we just had a situation where he was kicked off a major Final Fantasy game just so it would see the light of day. And you, Famassu, and all the other apologists come into these threads and defend him as if he deserves a pass for being the most inefficient dev in video games.
No. Many devs, BIGGER devs like Kojima have been fired for way less. Nomura is a great artist and character designer, but you can honestly say he's probably the worst project manager in the business. In fact, throwing ANOTHER project on his plate after he failed so tremendously with XV says a lot about SE.
I may not know a whole lot about game development, but I know enough to say that Nomura should've just stuck to designing characters. And I certainly know enough to say that he's a grown man who doesn't need you or anyone else making sure he isn't held accountable by the very community he makes games for.
LordKasual
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yeah if KH3 is going to be anything like the Aqua episode, then nothing has really changed enough to warrant this level of silence.
It's basically KH2 with a shader combover...which is fine, i dont think anyone is asking for anything else, but jesus christ.
I'm going to actually predict an engine switch for FF7R at some point. I mean, why else would the game be broken into pieces and still be taking forever to get any kind of footage out?
you are making aloooooooooooooooooooot of assumptions about what you think goes on behind closed doors
Nomura isn't even his own boss. I think some of you guys are taking your fancanon development theories way too seriously.
And why in the bloody hell would Square "kick" Nomura off Final Fantasy XV, just to stick him on Final Fantasy VII remake?
we've gotten a piece of KH core KH content almost every year since 2012. KH DDD, KH1.5, 2.5, KHX, KH 1.5+2.5 and KH 2.8 this year
If we get KH3 next year that will be in line with estimates.
NoctisVsStar
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They already have the Goat UE4?
Well, do remember new scenarios will be added. Plus it's no longer pieces of blocks moving their hands and such. It's like Nomura said "if they wanted to make a simple remake with upgraded graphics why get him?" I'm paraphrasing.
It's because they keep media silence (ish) until a year before release, and the game isn't going to be out for over a year. Plus it's already on unreal engine so I don't expect an engine change.
secretanchitman
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Not surprised at all, KH3 will come out in a few years knowing Nomura.
Isn't all of this rant just based on false misconceptions of how you think Versus went(basically it was all Nomura sitting on his ass eating chips), how you think he operates, and how you think Nomura is the one who sets deadlines for projects and not the company proper?
FF7R and KH3 have not had any actual deadlines implemented as of yet outside of missing giving information late last year, as i said before. So talking about deadlines as if there were any to hit makes no real sense.
your saying he should be fired, for what exactly?
LordKasual
Banned
I keep forgetting this, this is actually a good point, and i remember being estatic actually reading that news. Hopefully, this remake will actually be a "reimagining", where the story is more or less the same but the scenario is completely different.
I hope that is the case, because that would almost make this Final Fantasy XVI.
badcrumble
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calm down
funkystudent
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Its 2019 or 2020 at the least.
Heck I wouldnt be shocked if its another Versus XIII and it misses this entire generation and gets retooled by a better team in the early 2020's
Heck I wouldnt be shocked if its another Versus XIII and it misses this entire generation and gets retooled by a better team in the early 2020's
Nomura actually said this was the case. This is a ground up reimagining current gen game, and he said that it wasn't going to be the same game and if they had wanted to make the same game none of the original staff would have had to come back to direct it and make something new out of FF7
He said that when it was announced.
I hope FFVIIR doesn't get in the way of FFXVI
Don't want to wait so long again until the next new FF.