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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why
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Sirpopopop
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A. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/02/u...greeting-in-comeback-pitch-to-big-donors.html
Al Gore didn't exactly disappear for 5 years.
B. Kerry was a U.S. Senator. Also didn't disappear and do nothing.
Liberals and leftists need to confront their own sexism & racism. Stop holding unfair double standards for anyone who isn't a white cisgender male.
You mean meet for the first time, right?
Bonen no Max'd
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If Yates has ambitions for elected office, I wonder if she'll also try for the governor's mansion or wait for a Senate seat to be up.
Fenderputty
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Semantics for sure, but is Bill an actual scientist?
Yes.
I like her. A LOT. Go back and read my primary threads, I was "fuck Bernie" this and "fuck the leftists" that. I was fully entrenched in the Hillary camp.
This doesn't have anything to do with that. This has to do with the reality that one of the most hated candidates in history makes a poor mouthpiece for your party. These appearances don't help anything.
As a NYCer, would love if she ran for mayor or governor by the way - this isn't that though, this is just her doing general punditry and election talk.
whyamihere
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Oh, no, I know. I'm here with you. I'm just tired.
bachelor in mechanical engineering so... kinda (edit: in Cornell so not bad at all)
Don't need a PhD to be a scientist, honestly.
He invented something for Boeing 747, he ran experiments for children, and he engages in science discussion.
Don't need to actively be published to be a scientist if you are devoting your life to science.
Abinash117
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It doesn't hurt anything mostly because most people has moved on besides the few that still has flashbacks from the primaries, can't accept the election, or some other reasoning. Besides, there are plenty of hated politicians that still give appearances whenever they want. Clinton can do whatever she likes regardless of the fact she is hated or not.
Veritigo_X
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She can totally do whatever she wants.
I really think these kinds of appearances are bad for the party at this particular time though. She cannot be a national voice of the party.
All of the journalists I follow are covering this, but generally agree- like the Obama speeches, I don't think its a big deal or ultimately matters thaaat much.
I just don't think it shows focus, and I don't think its helpful to the party.
Veritigo_X
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If anything. This will be a thing for like a day.
She's not running for President quite frankly her opinions don't really matter.
Unfortunately the left likes to shit themselves over her talking. Hell you have people give Barack shit for giving paid speeches. Just imagine how they react to Hillary.
That said this won't go past today. Trump is walking fuck up machine and it's looking like his healthcare vote will fail again.
She's not running for President quite frankly her opinions don't really matter.
Unfortunately the left likes to shit themselves over her talking. Hell you have people give Barack shit for giving paid speeches. Just imagine how they react to Hillary.
That said this won't go past today. Trump is walking fuck up machine and it's looking like his healthcare vote will fail again.
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For context, Clinton's favourables are lower than Trump's. If you liked her because of her policy, you should want her to stay out of the limelight because she's the worst possible spokesperson for them. If you liked her on a more personal basis, you should want her to stay out of the limelights because nobody serves the kind of public opprobrium she'll receive.
One appearance now is pretty meaningless, in some fairness, but best to make the point clear now.
One appearance now is pretty meaningless, in some fairness, but best to make the point clear now.
Box of Kittens
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Cue topics about the DNC ignoring Montana.
Fenderputty
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Men want to control women's bodies, they want to control women's labor, they want to control women's lives, they call themselves liberal and progressive then they want to control when a woman shows up and what she says. Polling numbers don't matter for Hillary Clinton anymore, so why should she have to hew to these complaints? She can do whatever interviews she wants and say whatever she wants.
Veritigo_X
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No, but frankly I do think the party would do well to learn lessons from 2016 and try to shift to new faces and new voices.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
The alt-right is pushing the idea he is not a scientist. However, anyone who devotes themselves to scientific pursuits, including education, is clearly a scientist, regardless of your degree or lackthereof.
Meanwhile, his new Netflix... I'm not sure who it's made for.
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Nobody's saying "lock up that pesky Clinton!". They're saying: "there's no good reason to do this". You're right, she can do whatever the fuck she wants, but the set of "whatever the fuck she wants" contains the subset of "bloody stupid things".
Exactly. Does this not happen with every single losing presidential candidate? I would think that it is completely normal.
Who gives a shit? The guy seated in UK that is not a US voter, can't donate, can't canvass, can't do phonebanking?
People sure liked talking about how this is a changed world and changed society and our interactions have been revolutionized by internet and social media, yes? Then why give a shit about Hillary Clinton being public, when she's been a public figure since the 80s and a widely-known public figure since the 90s?
It's not like she's ripping your dicks off by doing a CNN interview. Stop being so scared of Hillary Clinton.
BlastProcessing
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Until the NYT acknowledges their own fuck up, they can sit down and shut up.
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Deleted member 231381
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Come on, this is petulant. The people who "give a shit" are all of those lost voters from 2012 -> 2016 who cited the Democratic Party as being out of touch and elitist, predominantly because of Clinton. I want the Democratic Party to do well, and I presume Clinton does too, which is why I'm pointing out, in good faith, the best thing she can do is rest until her star recovers.
Also, I can actually phonebank. The more you know!
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Not necessarily no opinion, but something like: they don't hate her, but they're not going to be singing her praises either.
He needs to stop speaking on non-science shit, though, particularly philosophy.
Bonen no Max'd
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Paula Swearengin, a miner's daughter, is running to primary Manchin. Good luck!
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"shade"? "yaas"? I'm having flashbacks to November 7th!
The Chosen One
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Darrel Issa isn't on this list. Darrel Issa's district went for Hilary Clinton easily and he had a nailbiter against Applegate.
I seriously doubt Issa will vote for this if there's any doubt that it might not pass. There's been a lot of healthcare protests in his district.
Bonen no Max'd
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Her tweets aren't too bad either
Never watch an episode of RuPaul's Drag Race.
Sirpopopop
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Have you ever actually met one of these "lost voters"?
I have.
Your answer is pretty simple: Trump discarding the dog whistles is what got a lot of them on board. They were excited to finally have someone "tell it like it is" when he made his initial "Gaffe" about Mexico sending us rapists.
Polling has pretty much backed up that assertion since then.
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Deleted member 231381
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Really? That's an absolutely terrible line given she was Secretary of State and consequently a significant influence over the Obama administration's drone policies, which lead to year-on-year increases in the number of child deaths in Afghanistan over the duration of her tenure.
Darrel Issa isn't on this list. Darrel Issa's district went for Hilary Clinton easily and he had a nailbiter against Applegate.
I seriously doubt Issa will vote for this if there's any doubt that it might not pass. There's been a lot of healthcare protests in his district.
Ugh Fortenberry's there. Looks like I need to make another call...
Bonen no Max'd
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That's from the woman running in WV to primary Manchin, not Hillary.
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Ah, my apologies. Mixed wires in the conversation!
Let's hope she's willing to hold her own party to account just as strenuously.
Darrel Issa isn't on this list. Darrel Issa's district went for Hilary Clinton easily and he had a nailbiter against Applegate.
I seriously doubt Issa will vote for this if there's any doubt that it might not pass. There's been a lot of healthcare protests in his district.
Oh hey, my representative is voting no, that's good. She's still your typical craven Republican, but at least she listens sometimes.
ShadowSwordmaster
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Contacted my senator about the Net Neutral and this was his response.
I hate my senators.
Veritigo_X
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Damn that coal miner's daughter has a shit ton of baggage!
Cesare Borgia
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I can't stand Hillary Clinton but am baffled why anyone would be upset that she gave a post-election interview, months after the election. Do I think it's a good idea that losing candidates with no political future slowly disappear to make room for the next batch of candidates? Yea of course. But Hillary tweeting a couple times and giving an interview isn't some outrageous or unprecedented level of public participation. And no, I don't think this has anything to do with sexism. A lot of people don't like her and are still bitter about the election (and primary). We can re-address this later if she takes a more prominent role, but for now she's not doing anything out of the ordinary.
If I was a republican I could understand being upset about Mitt Romney buying influence and attempting to prop himself up as some power broker. Obviously people on the far right agree with that position but overall republicans seem pretty fine with Romney popping up here or there.
If I was a republican I could understand being upset about Mitt Romney buying influence and attempting to prop himself up as some power broker. Obviously people on the far right agree with that position but overall republicans seem pretty fine with Romney popping up here or there.
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