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Biden disses Clinton: I never thought she was a great candidate. I thought I was...'
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I think it would probably have gone the same way considering how desperate people seemed to be for "something different"
TheLostBigBoss
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Obama pushed him to not run because of the probability of a very ugly primary, and Biden most likely wouldn't have won anyways to Clinton in the primary.
friskykillface
Banned
Diamond Joe vs Trump
My god what a hilarious scenario to imagine
Eh, to late for what if Joe
My god what a hilarious scenario to imagine
Eh, to late for what if Joe
digitalrelic
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Sounds like he's ramping up for a run in 2020. I think he'd annihilate any competitor.
Haloid1177
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Not many people dislike Biden. I'm sure there would be holdouts but there wouldn't have been so much vitriol about it.
Orbis Tabula
Member
I'm not sure I would have voted for him in the primary, in fact I doubt it. And I think that he's gonna benefit from the Hypothetical Candidate thing that always happens when you haven't actually run in a given race.
However, I'll say the same thing I've been saying about trying something different in that election: Sure, I wish you had run. I'd be willing to retry this election with basically any change in parameters, because we've already ended up in the most bad outcome.
However, I'll say the same thing I've been saying about trying something different in that election: Sure, I wish you had run. I'd be willing to retry this election with basically any change in parameters, because we've already ended up in the most bad outcome.
Glass Rebel
Member
Absolutely but such is the nature of politics. It's naive to think that that shit doesn't affect a candidate's chances at presidency. Especially when she's also a woman.
Psychoward
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He's a man who hasn't had 20 years of smearing against him so I doubt it even though he's further to the right of Clinton and probably wouldn't utilize identity politics to the Dem'a advantage as much.
broncobuster
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Maybe. It's easy to say these things after the fact, without the Republican smear machine working overtime. We missed out on stories about Joe being the secret mastermind of a drug smuggling burger joint.
The Greek Freak
Member
Would Joe have implied Sanders was partially responsible for Sandy Hook?
Would Joe allow his campaign to get debate questions in advance?
Would Joe help coordinate really disgusting hit pieces vs Sanders?
I would like to think No X 3 so the distaste would simply be policy not personal.
Glass Rebel
Member
Yea, and it's sad that all of this had more of an effect on her than Trump winning on a misogynist and xenophobic platform.
yeah probably but he would have been better equipped to beat trump so that distaste would have subsided eventually
Carpe Libertatem
Member
Ridiculous sexist comment. Par for the course to dismiss the accomplishments of a woman and instead essentially attribute them to her husband, though.
Sidewinder
Member
This is why I'm glad, that the elections in my country are bland as hell...why vote for competent people when you can vote for entertainers, right??
A large part of politics, beyond actual political competence, is being charismatic. Hillary was a good politician but she had almost 0 charisma.
Last election was basically a loudmouthed jock versus a bookworm, and surprise, people went for the boisterous idiot.
Sanders backers overwhelmingly voted for Clinton and the ones who didnt vote are not the reason she lost.
Kite
Member
I would have supported Biden over Hillary cus I like him more personally and his politics match mine even more closely. But I don't think many in gaf would like him that much, he is more center right. If ya'll thought Hillary wasn't pure enough, wait til you find out about Biden lolol
Being more centrist and less emphasis on social issues would probably have made him a stronger candidate in the general election tho.
Being more centrist and less emphasis on social issues would probably have made him a stronger candidate in the general election tho.
At this point you can mention the moon comes out at night and people will put this. Just nonsense.
I honestly don't know what Biden would've done to beat the racist movement....Hillary had actual plans behind the promises to continue to make lives a little better and people still voted the empty promises and full on racist rhetoric.
HammerOfThor
Member
Even if he ran the Democratic nod still would have gone to Clinton. Everyone felt she "deserved" it for some reason. She even ran the thing like the presidency was hers to inherit and didn't put much effort into the campaign.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
He is right but he's not helping the Democratic cause by voicing this out in the open.
The answer is probably, it's the primary. Do you forget 2008?
Also, only one Dem campaign tried to pull anything like this during the primary:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...72e2751f433_story.html?utm_term=.03efd9e7cf60
balladofwindfishes
Member
Seriously lol
That has... absolutely nothing to do at all with the topic, but they just felt the need to chuck some of their pessimism into an unrelated thread.
It may hurt, but doing this could open up the field in 2020.
Psychoward
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And we're off
The Greek Freak
Member
How could I forget the Clinton campaign starting this birther shit that went on for years.
DrForester
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I don't agree with those who think Bernie would have won.
I do agree with those who said Joe would have won. He wouldn't have been dumb enough to ignore the Midwest and rustbelt.
I do agree with those who said Joe would have won. He wouldn't have been dumb enough to ignore the Midwest and rustbelt.
ResidentWeevil13
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Lol. Biden wasn't a good candidate in 2008, and I doubt he would've been a good candidate in 2016. But he's right that Hillary wasn't good either
Herr Schwarz
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the republican cause is getting ass blasted far harder than whatever joe is saying about the democratic party.
after the shit that's going to go down, the republicans, all of them are going to be guilty by association. commie sympathisers. with absolutely no real ideals or principals. and anytime they shit out principals any democrat with chops will be like "well you supported pussy grabber-communist trump"
I don't think Biden would have been spared from the primary infighting with Sanders group. I think he could have gotten away with it more than Clinton did because people like Biden more for his personality than anything he's done as an elected official.
Many Sanders backers are often there because of 'charisma' and 'likeability' and not because of policy or positions.
Mr.Shrugglesã
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This idea that Obama asked Biden not to run is insane:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/24/politics/joe-biden-obama-blessing-2016/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/24/politics/joe-biden-obama-blessing-2016/index.html
Cesare Borgia
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I don't think Sanders would have become a "thing" if the primary was more contested, ie if Biden had run. Much of Sanders' support revolved around more anti-Hillary sentiment than genuine anti-establishment or anti-Wall St furor. Biden is charismatic and likable, unlike Clinton, which would have earned him a decent amount of support and respect.
Biden's long term problem was that a lot of opposition research was going to be dumped on him and propagated by pro-Hillary left media online. He'd be drowned in stories and think pieces about being sexist, the crime bill, etc. This was clearly a major reason why Obama argued a Biden run wouldn't be a good idea (he didn't tell him not to run). Why go out the door being shat on, basically. I think Biden would have come in second and won some states, but wouldn't come close to beating Hillary in large part due to the south.
Ultimately he wasn't going to run anyway due to his son.
Glass Rebel
Member
Haha, same. But I guess that also comes with our political system here. Not that it's not completely free of bullshit, just on a different level.
Kilau
Gold Member
Surprised to see someone here acknowledge that.
GrizzleBoy
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She wasnt a great candidate, I think we can all agree.
Still doesn't absolve America from electing Donald Trump though.
You don't go eat shit out of your cats litter box because your steak wasn't juicy enough.
You don't go and buy injustice:gods among us, just because you cant win online in SF5.
You don't go finish yourself off in the bathroom just because she doesnt like doggy.
Or maybe you do, America.
Maybe you do.
Still doesn't absolve America from electing Donald Trump though.
You don't go eat shit out of your cats litter box because your steak wasn't juicy enough.
You don't go and buy injustice:gods among us, just because you cant win online in SF5.
You don't go finish yourself off in the bathroom just because she doesnt like doggy.
Or maybe you do, America.
Maybe you do.
gutter_trash
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I like Joe, I like Joe allot.
But he has ran for President several times and failed to clinch the Democratic nomination every time
granted that Dukakis' team did do a low blow by leaking tapes of plagerisim to the press which screwed Biden in 1987
But he has ran for President several times and failed to clinch the Democratic nomination every time
granted that Dukakis' team did do a low blow by leaking tapes of plagerisim to the press which screwed Biden in 1987
I don't see how this does that in any capacity. That and the field is as open as it could possibly be.
If you ain't shitting, get off the goddamn pot, Joe.
Also, if you're still whining about Hillary 5 months into a treasonous presidency - one that was won by the spreading of misinformation, collusion, and the pettiness of White people - you're no different than a Trump supporter in my eyes.
Move the fuck on, already.
Also, if you're still whining about Hillary 5 months into a treasonous presidency - one that was won by the spreading of misinformation, collusion, and the pettiness of White people - you're no different than a Trump supporter in my eyes.
Move the fuck on, already.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
People are just blinded by the charisma of Bernie Sanders. The old guy with bad hair that yells all the time lol
Kite
Member
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-started-birther-movement/
Snopes says false, alternative facts?
Knuckle Sandwich
Member
It wasn't Clinton or her campaign. You've been fake news'd.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/
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