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Alien: Covenant |SPOILER THREAD| With more Christian subtext than BvS

I liked Chappie AND Alien3. I wouldn't mind seeing Blomkamps movie, though it's just not going to happen. It's still funny to read these "it was gonna be fanfiction" like there is some actual lore or storyline that it would not fit in.😂
 

Flipyap

Member
What do you think Aliens was?

Why everyone hate Blomkamp I thought District 9 and Elysium were pretty solid
Aliens didn't have Ripley wearing the alien hat. I have nothing against Blomkamp, but his pitch had the potential to oudumb Ridley Scott. The alien hat, man.

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That shit looks like some kinda post game armor you unlock after beating the game on the highest difficulty. I don't want that silliness.

It looks like something you would craft after slaying 10 Xenomorphs and collecting their materials.

I don't think Ridley knows how to direct monster action anymore. The neomorphs in the field scene was done better in Jurassic Park 2 with the long grass. In Covenant you see a group of soldiers shooting at a neomorph in an open field. Neomorph is surrounded and has bullets firing at it at all angles, but it brushes them off as a flesh wound and runs off after slapping dudes jaw off his face. Later Billy Crudup single handedly kills a fully grown one. There's an inconsistency in the handling of these creatures that keeps it from being a good monster movie. Sometimes they feel like Alien xenos, but they get killed off like Aliens xenos. Not even the black Xenomorphs have any memorable kills that make you go "clever girl."
 
Why would of Blomkamps movie been trash even if he didn't write it?

Ridley is a stale old fart sundowning his way to the destruction of the alien legacy.

I'd take anything alien directed by Blomkamp as it'd be exciting to see where it goes.

I loved District 9 but everything he's done since then has been on a consistent downward spiral resulting in Chappie.

Plus the concept of "Let's pretend Alien 3 and Resurrection didn't happen and make some fan fiction nonsense" doesn't really sound good, at all. You don't have to like 3 and Resurrection, that's ok. But they happened, and they're part of the franchise for better or worse, you don't get to just erase them from history.

Plus Ridley is on fire right now. I loved Prometheus (fight me), The Martian was one of the most enthralling sci-fi movies in years, and Covenant was a damn good time.
 
I loved District 9 but everything he's done since then has been on a consistent downward spiral resulting in Chappie.

What kind of spirals are you looking at? He did D9, then elysium then chappie. That's one questionable project.

Elysium wasn't bad, I must be misremembering it, but I thought the action scenes were pretty good, weren't they?! Deffo gonna give it a rewatch.

In terms of stinkers Ridley has got far more on the board.
 
Saw the whole movie now. It wasn't terrible, it was actually...good. Nothing amazing or mind blowing. It was good but forgettable. Popcorn flick. Certainly better than BVS. lol
 

Firenze1

Banned
Saw it today and thought it was worse than prometheus. And how the hell did shaw fix davids body without equipment or knowledge? Ridiculous.
 
I wanna poll you guys. How many of you thought Walter=David was supposed to be a twist and how many of you thought the movie wanted you to know that from the get go? Such a large chunk of the movie relies on that twist, but I think the whole audience was watching it knowing he was David. We all knew that the Xenomorphs was just a red herring boss battle. So we were all waiting for the real boss battle after that. And we didn't get it. The movie ends by thinking it got the audience with a surprise, but it was just flat. There was a total non reaction when the movie ended.

It was the reverse Get Out where the movie ended EXACTLY as the movie telegraphed it.
 

s_mirage

Member
I wanna poll you guys. How many of you thought Walter=David was supposed to be a twist and how many of you thought the movie wanted you to know that from the get go?

Not a twist, and I think it was supposed to be pretty obvious to the audience but a shock for Daniels. It makes no sense to show David grabbing the knife if it was supposed to be a shock for the audience. I think it was supposed to leave you a little unsure of whether it was Walter or David, but not surprised when it turned out to be David.
 
You forgot Exodus in that list of movies on fire.

And The Counselor

Lol, I'm not saying he's perfect. Trust me I didn't forget about Robin Hood either. But my point is in the last few years he's made some great movies IMO of course.

What kind of spirals are you looking at? He did D9, then elysium then chappie. That's one questionable project.

Elysium wasn't bad, I must be misremembering it, but I thought the action scenes were pretty good, weren't they?! Deffo gonna give it a rewatch.

In terms of stinkers Ridley has got far more on the board.

Well yeah 3 movies is a small selection, but it also a horrific batting average considering D9 is the only one highly regarded. Elysium was OKAY. I didn't hate it, but ultimately just a disappointment considering the potential it had. Chappie is Chappie.

Compare that to Ridley, who made 2 of the best and most iconic films of all time in Alien and Blade Runner. Yes that was years ago. But taking into account Prometheus, The Martin, and Covenant, which are all recent and high quality IMO, I trust him way more with his own franchise than Blomkamp.
 
I wanna poll you guys. How many of you thought Walter=David was supposed to be a twist and how many of you thought the movie wanted you to know that from the get go? Such a large chunk of the movie relies on that twist, but I think the whole audience was watching it knowing he was David. We all knew that the Xenomorphs was just a red herring boss battle. So we were all waiting for the real boss battle after that. And we didn't get it. The movie ends by thinking it got the audience with a surprise, but it was just flat. There was a total non reaction when the movie ended.
Not only is it pretty much a dead giveaway considering they don't show the end of the fight, but they're constantly framing Fassbender in an ominous fashion from then on, and there's the smile he gives on the ship when the xenomorph is loose.

It's laid on pretty fucking thick, and would have preferred if it was revealed merely by him dropping the accent after putting the crew to sleep. Daniels is probably going to get the same sendoff as Shaw, if that, anyway.
 

Rktk

Member
I wanna poll you guys. How many of you thought Walter=David was supposed to be a twist and how many of you thought the movie wanted you to know that from the get go?
The idea was to ratchet up the tension, the audience knows but the crew do not and you're just waiting for David to be revealed.

I think that's for most people, two girls next to me didn't figure out David and Walter looked the same until after a good 5 minutes, must have been the hair.
 

kswiston

Member
I think the point of Walter=David was to keep audiences guessing when he would finally betray the team. They kept giving him chances and he kept playing along. It could have been done better, but I thought that it was clearly supposed to add to the suspense rather than be a big reveal.
 

Toa TAK

Banned
I wanna poll you guys. How many of you thought Walter=David was supposed to be a twist and how many of you thought the movie wanted you to know that from the get go? Such a large chunk of the movie relies on that twist, but I think the whole audience was watching it knowing he was David. We all knew that the Xenomorphs was just a red herring boss battle. So we were all waiting for the real boss battle after that. And we didn't get it. The movie ends by thinking it got the audience with a surprise, but it was just flat. There was a total non reaction when the movie ended.

It was the reverse Get Out where the movie ended EXACTLY as the movie telegraphed it.
I think it was SUPPOSED to be a surprise like you said, but everyone figured it out way ahead of time. It's just poorly done, especially since we don't see the body.
Lol, I'm not saying he's perfect. Trust me I didn't forget about Robin Hood either. But my point is in the last few years he's made some great movies IMO of course.
Nah, I feel you. At the end of the day I'm still showing up in theaters for his movies good or terrible so at the end of the day I'm still the biggest loser.
Spotted at Covenant facebook.
Very cool. Answers my questions about how the motes work.
 
That infograph mentioning the Alien Queen is cool, but it's completely wrong that the egg sacks "sense the proximity of potential hosts." We saw one get stepped on and poked to release the spores.
 
Yeah, I'm guessing the infograph is something marketing made, and not any sort of solid reflection of how that shit is supposed to work as per anyone writing/directing the thing.
 
Yeah, I'm guessing the infograph is something marketing made, and not any sort of solid reflection of how that shit is supposed to work as per anyone writing/directing the thing.
Yeah, I think Ridley can do whatever he wants and for sure didn't have anything to do with creation of that infograph. I just thought it was fun marketing piece to see, especially for mention of Queen and that mutated worm.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Fucking terrible movie
 

JB1981

Member
Characters are believably dumb in Covenant cause they're not supposed to be scientists right? They're just crew who are supposed to get the ship from A to B. Except for the wheat scientist. Believe him, he knows wheat.

So why was the wheat there? Only Shaw would need the wheat to eat so she must have been alive on that planet for some time.
 
Saw this today. It was alright.

Loved the first act, right up until David appears and things get a bit wonky. The second act with all of the revelations about David was okay but dragged a bit. It was the third act that really let things down as everything felt like it wrapped up too quickly and the Xenomorphs felt inconsequential. However the ending with Daniels' realisation that David took Walter's place and she and all 2000 colonists were at his sick and twisted disposal was genuinely chilling - good stuff.

I really love David as a villain, and the whole storyline of an android trying to outdo his creators when given the tools of evolution is really unique and fascinating. So I think the film does a lot right, but the usage of the actual Alien is a big letdown. In fact the Neomorphs came across as a lot more scary and formidable and should have been the big bads throughout - save the Xenos for David's final experiment before these films catch up to the original.

I think a rewatch with my expectations of just how the Alien is included now in check will make it sit better with me.
 

dmshaposv

Member
Unlike Prometheus this film was trying too hard to please everyone.

So there is lots of fucking dumb slasher film shit with little to no tension, a version of ripley that is just undercooked and all the interesting ideas of prometheus kinda condensed into one film.

I think I like Prometheus better than this, at least it had one fucking good tense scene (abortion). The best part about covenant was all the undercooked prometheus stuff about David the creator.

This movie was Alien: Greatest hits version. So nahhhh.
 

Number_6

Member
Don't think I can get all my thoughts down at once. Still collating. (Now watch me type way too much shit).

However, I didn't like it. I just rewatched Prometheus, and I think that's better if only because it had more characters that were somewhat memorable (if not totally stupid), it was prettier to look at, and it had that surgery scene.

Danny McBride decides to risk the entire 2000 colonists and like, 1000 embryos on the chance that his wife is alive. Got it. Then those other two on the ship with him give each other a look and a nod, then proceed to not kick Danny McBride's irresponsible ass off the damn bridge, but go along with his plan. Whew.

Neomorphs sucked. They weren't scary, they weren't cunning, they were just angry bitey scratchy scurry monsters. Might as well have been Godzilla's babies from 1998.

Then comes the xenomorph, which still isn't really the classic design, it lacks the mechanical elements, but whatever. Maybe it will act creepy and intelligent, like a xenomorph should. NOPE. Just a bigger, blacker, angry bitey scrachy scurry monster. How disappointing.

Daniels suddenly became some kind of badass, and it was totally unearned. Ripley had a strength to her in Alien and it was built upon in the sequel (although I thought Ripley taping guns together and succeeding where trained marines failed in Aliens was a little much, but it's an 80s action movie, so whatever). Daniels just grabs a gun, ties herself to the loader, and swings and fights the xenomorph like it's nothing. To make it worse, none of this action is good, and I think we'd have been better served with a creepy approach rather than a half-assed action finale. There was no tension at all when that xeno was on the ship. It was more like a callback/obligation than an actual well-planned and executed sequence.

Speaking of callbacks...Action-Daniels suddenly starts speaking in old Alien lines. "I got you, you son of a bitch." Really? Why? These kind of winks are stupid. Imagery, maybe. Easter eggs, sure. But I can't stand callbacks to classic shit that are just repeated lines. It's like an excuse to write less. This isn't Ripley. Why is she speaking Ripley's words??

I'm frankly surprised, after the neomorphs were chased off by a mere flare, that David didn't say something like, oh, I don't know, "They mostly come at night. Mostly." You know. To explain why the flare affected the neomorphs that way.

There was no subtlety. Imagine if this were the original Alien, made today, by the Ridley Scott of today. Somebody, on camera, would have actually said the words "penis/rape monster". I guarantee it.

Truth be told, I mostly expected this movie to be not good. I was just in it for the David mad scientist stuff. I think it's so stupid that David created the xenomorphs, and of course there's those big plot threads that are just waiting to become holes (in addition to the actual plot holes), but if that's what they were going to do, then let's go.

I came away disappointed. I wanted to see more of David's work. We just saw some Giger rip-off drawings, a corpse or two (yeah, Shaw too), and that's it. I don't go for the torture porn or any of that, but I was hoping to at least get some body horror out of this shit. Like, the one thing that would get me would be to know what the fuck he actually did to Shaw. Oh well. His work was already done. Here's some eggs. Off to the stupid action shit I guess.

I hope the switch wasn't supposed to be a twist. But I imagine Ridley thought so. Maybe in like 10 years he'll go on camera and say that it was actually Walter-turned-evil all along, and add hints into the Final Cut.
 

Engell

Member
I was not impressed by this movie...
So many stupid decisions, so little explanation, so many holes in the plot.

How much training did any of them receive? One day and then whoops off to space with you.
And let's not have backup systems for anything, and lets walk around screaming our id codes to each other.

I'm not sure but was there a scene where David overheard Walter's code? Because suddenly he knew it
 

geardo

Member
Just got back and I'm blown away. My nerves are fucking frayed right now. That movie was scary. I'm probably in the minority here, but that is my favorite alien movie and one of the best films I've ever seen. Ridley Scott... bravo good sir. That fucking ending too. I was screaming inside. Jesus.
 

Number_6

Member
Ahh, those damned Neomorphs. They were so generic and boring!

They're a cheap Alien knock-off in an Alien movie! They run around and scream and bite. Are they scary because they're fast?

Even the velociraptors would take a minute to sneak and creep on you. Or outsmart you.

(Speaking of cheap Alien knock-offs, why oh why, if they wanted the audience to go "Look, and Alien!" at the end of Prometheus, why didn't they just use a damned actual Alien?)
 

Alebrije

Member
The ending was so predictable. A much better one would be the girl just going sleep thinking all is fine and the David walking to the incubator room smiling and then liying the eggs while your hear some Opus creepy music.
 

Alebrije

Member
Ahh, those damned Neomorphs. They were so generic and boring!

They're a cheap Alien knock-off in an Alien movie! They run around and scream and bite. Are they scary because they're fast?

Even the velociraptors would take a minute to sneak and creep on you. Or outsmart you.

(Speaking of cheap Alien knock-offs, why oh why, if they wanted the audience to go "Look, and Alien!" at the end of Prometheus, why didn't they just use a damned actual Alien?)

When Spaceballs has a better terror scene than your movie , you know fucked it.

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