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MS not mandating any framerate or fidelity requirements on Scorpio including in MP
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molnizzle
Member
I believe that Destiny has the lowest input lag of any shooter on console and it runs at 30fps. It's all about dev priorities.
It's true that for fast pace games it's easier to keep track of the action at 60fps vs 30fps. That might feel like an advantage. Here's the thing, though... you can have that advantage too if you want it. You're not forbidden from buying a Scorpio.
...but if it's not important to you, then don't. Your games will still work.
perfectsil
Member
HOw would they enforce it anyway? Xbox test team is not going to play every game for hundreds of hours to find frame rate dips , and do that all again after every patch
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Staggering there are so many people who don't get how all this works.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
The bolded part is what most people seem to really struggle to accept or agree with, which is unfortunate.
Apoleptica
Banned
Was it confirmed that Destiny 2 would be 30 fps on scorpio? Where did this idea come from?
I mean sales wise.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
Destiny 2 Scorpio-specific details are not confirmed yet. They said they can't talk about that version yet.
Bungie states consoles will be 30fps and Scorpio still suffers from the CPU
Scorpio isn't a console though, it's a box full of dreams
molnizzle
Member
True.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
False. They made a point to specifically state they cant discuss details of the Scorpio version yet. You. Are. Wrong.
When they say 30fps on consoles, Scorpio isn't included in that because the Scorpio version is still under wraps.
It may be the same in the end but we don't know for sure yet.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Nope.
The fact that Bungie has publicly said they can't speak about the Scorpio version is a point of contention. Or it's just due to the Destiny Sony marketing? Who knows.
Haha.
molnizzle
Member
eh, you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you're expecting 60fps for D2 on Scorpio. That extra .2 GHz of CPU power over the Pro isn't gonna be the differentiator that gives D2 the juice to run at 60. Certainly not from Bungie who's all about parity. Certainly not in their flagship series that is heavily marketed by Sony and will likely be bundled with PS4 Pro's this holiday.
Marketing has nothing to do with mandating fps. I don't know why people think this? It's silly.
I don't think Bungie gives a crap who there game sells best. Sales are sales.
The same reason people think an extra 9% of CPU power will produce 30 extra frames. It's silly.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I know.
I"m saying the Destiny Marketing could by why Bungie won't talk about the Scorpio version.
molnizzle
Member
Wouldn't be Bungie's call.
The Jazz Cabbage Master
Member
This actually just changed my perspective on the 30vs60fps parity debate because you reminded me of all the disparities that I've taken for granted or outright forgotten about. 🙏
Am I the only one wishing halo 6 goes back to 30 fps on x1 and 1080/60 or 4k/30 on scorpio? Yeah? Ok then, carry on...
/high five
/high five
rokkerkory
Member
Imagine if 1080p60 mode was avail on scorpio! Woot
lukeskymac
Member
Relative to XB1 sales you mean. It won't see similar numbers to the Pro.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Huh? People are saying the same thing now about Scorpio as a reason why it won't have 60.
It's a dumb reason given PC Cross play is a thing.
Gears 4 has ranked PC/Xbox play which means? 60 v 30.
Apoleptica
Banned
I just hope they don't make the enemy ai have animations that are at a different framerate to the gameplay depending on distance. Looked like complete shit in halo 5.
molnizzle
Member
I would blood sacrifice my PS4 through open flame under a gilded portrait of Phil Spencer.
I actually never really noticed. And if that's what it took to give us a solid 60, it was worth it.
BleedOrange
Banned
Should we also force Xbox Scorpio users to use 1080p resolution because OG Xbox One exists? Is that really how your thought process works?
If the game is built to run at 30 FPS on the PlayStation 4 which has a 1.6GHz CPU, and Scorpio runs that same CPU at 2.3GHz, that's a 44% increase, not 9%.
Assuming that the PS4 CPU is maxed-out at 30 FPS, a 44% increase won't be enough to run the game at 60 FPS on Scorpio.
But if you were to use a variable refresh rate display (FreeSync or HDMI 2.1 VRR) you could unlock the framerate and it might run around 45 FPS on average rather than 30 FPS - which is a worthwhile improvement.
That's the advantage Scorpio has over the PlayStation 4 Pro.
Even if the PS4 Pro's CPU at 2.1GHz could run the game with an average of around 40 FPS rather than 30 FPS, without support for VRR displays 40 FPS at 60Hz results in bad stuttering and screen tearing or input lag.
You have to lock it to 30 FPS for smooth gameplay.
30 FPS at 60Hz is fine, and 60 FPS at 60Hz is smooth, but anything in between the two at 60Hz stutters terribly due to the uneven frame-pacing.
Here's a comparison I recorded a while back using Dark Souls 3:
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
The GPU could handle 4k/60 with a mix of medium/high settings. The CPU stands no chance though.
Scorpio is most likely going to make its money with 1080p/60 coupled with native 4k/30 bundled options for games as a standard offering, hopefully
I'm still doubtful, but if this is true, MS, TAKE MY MONEY!
Ricerocket
Member
No? I explained a few posts ahead where I was coming from, I value speed of input over gfx.
Leafhopper
Banned
"When is the NX coming out? That Switch thing is just a stop gap right?"
Then lockout people with crummy gaming tvs?
Tyraniboah
Member
My question in all of this is this: how much of an advantage would hypothetical 60 fps Destiny players have over 30 fps players? I've read things saying that the server tick rate, monitor/TV refresh rate, lag, etc make a bigger difference...but I'm not sure.
PC players obviously deal with this already, so it can't be that deep, can it?
PC players obviously deal with this already, so it can't be that deep, can it?
Gears 4 MP runs at 60fps on Xbox One.
All over the world gamers are just frothing at the mouth to pay up for a new version of the Xbone. Especially since the exchange rate conversion always works out so nicely for people outside the US.
Vigilant Gambit
Member
This is false. The only mandate for Pro is, basically, the Pro version has to at least match the base version in terms of performance and graphical fidelity. It's a completely reasonable thing.
Liliana Eileen
Member
Your post history...holy shit
This is a great thing, no need to bring console wars into this
Glad you asked (my own opinion):
Ranking the advantages:
1) Tv with huge input lag vs gaming monitor with far less
2) shit tier internet vs Google fiber
3) Default controller vs elite (or scuff) and paddles
4) 30 fps vs 60 fps
5)Head phones/surround vs stereo tv
6)480p/720p/1080p vs 4k tv
BleedOrange
Banned
That's cool, but some people value visual acuity over input speed. I'm not saying that's more advantageous for an arena shooter (it's probably not), but there are entire classes of games where visual acuity is a more game-affecting advantage than FPS.
Take PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS for example, a game that is coming to consoles. In that game being able to target acquire is paramount, and higher resolutions vastly improve your ability to target acquire, so the resolution differences between PS4 and PS4 Pro are an inherent, game-affecting, advantage. One that Sony completely whitewashes as insignificant when it isn't.
What I'm saying is trying to push a narrative that FPS differences are the only advantages is factually incorrect and is honestly patronizing to console audiences. Sony can't have it both ways, either they should mandate resolution AND fps parity or mandate neither, and we all know what the actual choice should be.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
This seems like what would happen. At this point it's all but announced. This is just me being optimistic
lukeskymac
Member
Why the hell would it? It's an Xbox platform, which means it'll barely sell outside US, UK, and some random LA countries. It's a premium model that also has few console exclusives and almost no actual exclusive thanks to PC, so it only makes sense to the very specific "US/UK Xbox gamer that wants better IQ but not a PC" demographic.