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Geoff Keighley: Scorpio rumored to cost $499 (he's right, flawless victory)
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Karspankey
Banned
Calm Mind
Member
"Xbox Two isn't just a mid-gen refresh, it's a whole new console that's compatible with all Xbox games"
*Clap* *Clap* *Clap*
"Xbox Two will release for $499"
*BOOOOOOOO*
"Wait a second, there seems to be a error on this slide."
*The 4 changes to a 3, to make the price $399*
*Clap* *Clap* *Clap* *People faint*
*Geoff tweets it was all according to keikaku*
*Clap* *Clap* *Clap*
"Xbox Two will release for $499"
*BOOOOOOOO*
"Wait a second, there seems to be a error on this slide."
*The 4 changes to a 3, to make the price $399*
*Clap* *Clap* *Clap* *People faint*
*Geoff tweets it was all according to keikaku*
4D MIND CHESS INCOMING.
LurkingFear
Member
Now yes; every "Xbox One Exclusive" for the last year-ish has also been available on the Windows 10 Store, with a few (Ori, Quantum Break, Dead Rising 4) even getting later Steam releases. There are a few older titles which are still Xbox One exclusive, like the complete version of Halo 5 (there's a multiplayer-capable Forge mode on Windows 10 but not the proper full version with campaign), Sunset Overdrive, Crimson Dragon and Rare Replay (as the package, all the individual titles have some availability elsewhere).
So an estimate of $400.
Sunset Samurai
Member
Calling it 399 with basic controller and 499 with the elite controller 🙃
Yeah because $499 is outrageous
Wireframe
Member
Man this shit will follow Geoff to the grave. Feel kinda bad for him honestly.
TheVoidDragon
Member
$499 seems a reasonable price when the thing you consider is the hardware/system itself...but when that's $100 more than the competitor, which is part of the leading brand this generation and is a system that's already out, then i don't see how that $499 is supposed to be a good price. The system may be more powerful than the Pro but there's more to consider than that when justifying the price.
EventHorizon
Member
Exactly. If MS had to release Scorpio at $499, this is exactly how they'd do it. You don't save that kind of negative shock for the presentation.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
R&D and how they utilize the hardware is important. It's not a gaming PC where it's about raw power. It's a closed system, they are able to get a lot more out of the hardware than similar hardware in a PC.
Crosspost
I think Phil is a cool guy and I respect his love for the industry. I'm also understanding of why he feels the need to conduct so many interviews - he's literally the only guys in the Xbox team that people are willing to trust and listen to. Guys like Penello outlived their love a long time ago (yes, there was a time where people actually liked him).
But the fact of the matter is that Phil has done very little in terms of building MS's first party offerings. If anything, he's been responsible for diverting company funding to building Scorpio(that R&D doesn't come cheap) when he could have tried to build the games library of the console.
Don't get me wrong - Phil's done a great job at reworking the Xbox's software policy. The console has become incredibly consumer friendly compared to where it started and even compared to the competition now.
But he's failed incredibly from a games library perspective. He's continuing that same Halo, Forza, Gears strategy that he himself established under Mattrick (everyone blames Mattrick for the Halo, Forza, Gears rut but it's continued even after Mattrick left, making it clear that Phil always agreed with it at the very least).
So where is the Xbox platform now? What does it stand for? I see no vision, none of that industry disrupting energy that catapulted the OG Xbox and 360 in the hearts and minds of its fanbase.
Scorpio was never a solution. It's a mistaken attempt at being a throwback to the OG Xbox. The OG Xbox wasn't a great console just because of how great the games looked and how powerful the console was. The console was great because the brute force of its technology was implemented in an intelligent manner. The harddisk wasn't just impressive because it gave us more space to save games, it was impressive because it drastically cut loading times. The inclusion of an ethernet port and Xbox live wasn't impressive because it allowed online gaming, it was impressive because the entire system and the executives and programmers behind it had a stunning vision of online play on consoles that didn't exist in any intelligent cohesive manner before. The 360 wasn't impressive because it was easy to program for, it was impressive because it allowed gamers to experience the best graphics for several years at a much lower entry price than the competition while boasting a better library of games. It was impressive because it was an underdog American console company courting the best and brightest from Japan and Europe to develop its games, it was impressive because it took Xbox Live and introduced a stronger and healthier market place for its customers and improved the complete console experience in every single way.
The Scorpio is incredibly misguided because it comes from a place where the executives behind the console think that the Xbox set itself apart because it was the strongest of the bunch, and that's entirely missing the point and a gross misunderstanding of what was happening. You can't impress folk with pure power. That never wins. It never will win. Consoles need a vision. Casual consumers might not be able to put their finger on it, but they can for sure sense it.
The main problem for the Xbox brand is that you can't make a visionary. Phil can't become a visionary the same way Sean Murray can't become a visionary no matter how hard he would like you to think he is. Men and women with vision develop that sensibility over experiences that span beyond their careers; it's developed through struggle and love and life experiences that can't be learnt when you're a top executive in a multi-billion dollar tech company.
I think Phil is a cool guy and I respect his love for the industry. I'm also understanding of why he feels the need to conduct so many interviews - he's literally the only guys in the Xbox team that people are willing to trust and listen to. Guys like Penello outlived their love a long time ago (yes, there was a time where people actually liked him).
But the fact of the matter is that Phil has done very little in terms of building MS's first party offerings. If anything, he's been responsible for diverting company funding to building Scorpio(that R&D doesn't come cheap) when he could have tried to build the games library of the console.
Don't get me wrong - Phil's done a great job at reworking the Xbox's software policy. The console has become incredibly consumer friendly compared to where it started and even compared to the competition now.
But he's failed incredibly from a games library perspective. He's continuing that same Halo, Forza, Gears strategy that he himself established under Mattrick (everyone blames Mattrick for the Halo, Forza, Gears rut but it's continued even after Mattrick left, making it clear that Phil always agreed with it at the very least).
So where is the Xbox platform now? What does it stand for? I see no vision, none of that industry disrupting energy that catapulted the OG Xbox and 360 in the hearts and minds of its fanbase.
Scorpio was never a solution. It's a mistaken attempt at being a throwback to the OG Xbox. The OG Xbox wasn't a great console just because of how great the games looked and how powerful the console was. The console was great because the brute force of its technology was implemented in an intelligent manner. The harddisk wasn't just impressive because it gave us more space to save games, it was impressive because it drastically cut loading times. The inclusion of an ethernet port and Xbox live wasn't impressive because it allowed online gaming, it was impressive because the entire system and the executives and programmers behind it had a stunning vision of online play on consoles that didn't exist in any intelligent cohesive manner before. The 360 wasn't impressive because it was easy to program for, it was impressive because it allowed gamers to experience the best graphics for several years at a much lower entry price than the competition while boasting a better library of games. It was impressive because it was an underdog American console company courting the best and brightest from Japan and Europe to develop its games, it was impressive because it took Xbox Live and introduced a stronger and healthier market place for its customers and improved the complete console experience in every single way.
The Scorpio is incredibly misguided because it comes from a place where the executives behind the console think that the Xbox set itself apart because it was the strongest of the bunch, and that's entirely missing the point and a gross misunderstanding of what was happening. You can't impress folk with pure power. That never wins. It never will win. Consoles need a vision. Casual consumers might not be able to put their finger on it, but they can for sure sense it.
The main problem for the Xbox brand is that you can't make a visionary. Phil can't become a visionary the same way Sean Murray can't become a visionary no matter how hard he would like you to think he is. Men and women with vision develop that sensibility over experiences that span beyond their careers; it's developed through struggle and love and life experiences that can't be learnt when you're a top executive in a multi-billion dollar tech company.
Zombie James
Banned
To be fair, the PS3 had problems at launch beyond just the price.
That is nowhere near the same thing. The 360 was on its way out when the XBO was announced. The same can't be said with the XBO and Scorpio.
That said, there's a chance that he can be right and wrong if they announce two SKUs, one at $399 and one at $499.
Sony had one trump card back then, it was the cheapest blu-ray player on the market in an age where HD was just getting into the homes. The step for sd to hd was much more important (for content) than the step to uhd.
And PS3 in America had a serious uphill batlle and even in Europe Sony was impacted in market share. It wasn't really until the PS3 slim when sony was able to turn things around.
open_mouth_
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what if they have a 500gb version of Scorprio for $399 and a 2TB version at $499....
They kinda were back then nearly even bankrupt.
But this is another situation it will be a device for the hardcore and graphical power lovera mainstreams will just buy the cheapest thing.
Micro still has xbone and they won't lose billions on this.
The difference is Scorpio is an Xbox One. Same gen, same games.
Hence all the "premium" talk.
Chobel
Member
LMAO! I hope this is true.
TheZink
Member
Everyone said Trump was unelectable but that happened. Fake News.
Hoho for breakfast
Member
Ok, no way I'm buying it then. Fortunately there's a regular old Xbox One for people like me.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
This makes me think he's disappointed with the price and might get some facetime before the meltdown occurs in a few hours.
sems4arsenal
Member
Man that robot ad was some grade A bad luck.
Aceofspades
Banned
Nothing suggest 499...450 maybe but 499 is just an increased profit margin.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Yes they did.
7DollarHagane
Banned
There's no clap emoji but I really feel the $399 ceiling for a console is clap emoji worthy with how some Xbox fans think $499 will be ok
yukianderson
Member
That's right just like Dom said about the 360
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
$499 is absolutely on the high end of console pricing.
Stone Ocean
Member
How is making more confusing abbreviations brilliant?
Why would Geoff all of a sudden decide that today is the day he wants people to stop listening to him for the rest of his career? I thought it was $399 when it was just a Tweet, because people make guesses like that all the time. But he keeps reiterating it. And anybody who doesn't work for MS has no reason to damage their own credibility for the sake of manufacturing $399 into some kind of supposed shocker.
GravityInsanity
Member
Is that the Scorpio?
MS: Get a third job.
RAM pricing has not really gone down lately, and Scorpio is using DDR5 RAM.
Except Xbox 1 plays the same games as Scorpio
Nikana
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CrimsonEclipse
Member
As much as I want MS to do well, this is MS after all. I doubt it man.