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Shooting at GOP baseball practice, multiple injured incl/ Maj. Whip Scalise
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Did you read anything else after that or did you just rush to click reply?
rokkerkory
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Terrible effin news. Hope everyone has a speedy recovery. =/
Guns smh
Guns smh
Netherscourge
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In case you were wondering why the US seems more divided than ever...
Out of all of the descriptors to use for the shooter, they picked "Bernie Supporter."
Fox News probably wants to call him Bernie Sanders' personal Hit Man, but can't for legal reasons.
airmangataosenai
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One of the leaders of our highest legislative bodies was just shot in a terrorist attack. You dont think this is worthy of comment by the president?
I dislike Trump and Scalise both but lets not downplay the gravity of this incident. If Nancy Pelosi had been shot it would be equally shocking.
Mammoth Jones
Member
Until another one of their loonies decides for some payback and go popping some democrats. I really don't wanna see this play out any further.
Shit, I'd rather the nation just split and give them their laissez-faire system that allows the rich and the politically connected to exploit the poor and working class.
guggnichso
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This is not what I meant. I never wanted to take the impact of US racism away from you or downplay it. This was not my intent. But your struggles and the struggles of your family and friends and community are important in their own right. You don't have to invoke the holocaust to make people understand. You and your families and your communities struggles in the political climate of the US today and going back are important, in their own rights, and should be treated as such. YOU are important. Your life is important. The holocaust however is not yours to use to make yourself heard.
Ziltoidia 9
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I seriously hope Democrats defend Bernie for this BS.
Lightning_Roller
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My bad. Didn't see the lost. I'm sorry.
No worries.
There's nothing that needs defending, he's not involved and he's already condemned the attack.
As far as the political consequences go, the fact that we're completely numb to mass shootings will help ameliorate any negative consequences towards Democrats. There's no optics battles to be won by the GOP because you're not going to bait Democratic politicians into saying "he deserved it" or anything like that (at least, i'd hope not).
It won't stop the right-wing from attacking leftists. Nor will it stop centrists from claiming we need to unite with Republicans. They're already doing that on stations like MSNBC. I highly doubt the Democrats will defend the left-wing in this instance. Basically, it's free game to attack leftism. So...*shrugs*
The initial tea party was a planned riot, not an organized movement; a hell of a lot more destructive to property than most BLM protests at least.
Second, an organized movement with clear political goals would still not be allowed to operate on a plan that included the option of violence because people think violence is only allowed in a case of self defense against immediate violence, and thus so long as politicians aren't actively torching babies (instead of killing them slowly by denying access to life saving resources and stability), it literally should never be considered. So most people, on GAF and elsewhere, would not give a pass to any such thing anyway.
In regards to him being a lone wolf, that's has been the nature of a lot of our political violence and assassinations for centuries due to the prevalence of guns, and I wager it's going to be like that for the foreseeable near future.
And we are not about to get rid of the rule of law over this, nor did I ever advocate that, but thanks I'll munch on your smug hypothetical for the rest of the day.
It's not pathetic to condemn the GOP's raging hypocrisy.
It's not a bad look when a lot of supporters see Bernie as a socialist, which to some has become the new red scare.
This is what those people want, one lone guy to prove they aren't as bad and ignoring all the crimes committed by those on their side. "At least we didn't try to kill a Senator!" will be an argument from many.
Just another day in the good ol' US of A.
People who are known domestic abusers should not have access to guns.
This is by far the best predictor of mass shootings. It happens every time.
Not only has SCOTUS already signed off on such a ban, there is already a federal law passed! But people who would be banned by Lautenberg still manage to get access to firearms.
We should be able to agree that a law a bipartisan Congress passed and a bipartisan SCOTUS supported, that would potentially end or severely reduce mass shootings and also as a side benefit prevent thousands of family shootings, should be enforced, even if that requires background checks or aggressive enforcement.
This is by far the best predictor of mass shootings. It happens every time.
Not only has SCOTUS already signed off on such a ban, there is already a federal law passed! But people who would be banned by Lautenberg still manage to get access to firearms.
We should be able to agree that a law a bipartisan Congress passed and a bipartisan SCOTUS supported, that would potentially end or severely reduce mass shootings and also as a side benefit prevent thousands of family shootings, should be enforced, even if that requires background checks or aggressive enforcement.
thats not at all what you said at the beginning and the constant "your situation is bad BUT" wasnt needed. It was to illustrate a point about the effects of bureaucratic violence. That's why I said Heydrich and not Hitler. It was a specific comparison and I'm not going to apologize because you think it's off limits
Sho_Nuff82
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Neither Bernie (nor Hillary) has anything in social media or news clips that point to them asking or hinting at Republicans to be shot. It's an angle with no meat to it.
The left could (and should) point out that access to weaponry like this is something that should be tightly regulated.
And no one should let up on hammering this Congress for trying to strip health care from millions of Americans.
Mammoth Jones
Member
Agreed. Ain't much to debate here.
This is what happens with increasing polarization in the US. When people are unable to look at those across the aisle as anything but the enemy, it becomes a lot easier for these attacks to happen. All it takes is some psycho to get a gun, which is far too easy in the US, and events like these become possible. Its similar to why Gabbard was attacked those years ago as well.
I hope everyone injured makes a full recovery.
I hope everyone injured makes a full recovery.
Kabuki Waq
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Guy shoots up a bunch of politicians due to political leanings....not being called a terrorist?
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Exactly.
BrutishMrFish
Member
Again, you're speaking for a whole bunch of people who don't agree and don't see the "far left" as offering a better solution to their problems. It shouldn't be news to you if you've looked at the turnout statistics for the congressional elections or the primaries last year.
This thread is filled with people who aren't falling for the GOP's rhetoric. After the Republicans' reaction to things like Sandy Hook, only right wingers and "both sides" people like the idiots on CNN are going to buy that shit.
Democrats generally aren't going to believe the rhetoric about the "far left" because the GOP have been calling all Democrats "the radical left" for a long time now. For all their faults, the American left doesn't have a history of saying, "You know what, Republicans? You guys are totally right about us!"
bigmit3737
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Yeah , I'm afraid we might see attscks on democratic senators.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Surprising no one.
BlazinSkatinAxel
Member
He's white.
Yeah, they just tried to kill a House Representative (Giffords) instead.
I think another shooting is closer to topic about shooting than bickering over if Bernie and minorities were somehow involved / behind / cause of this by some magic, but what do I know.
Lonewulfeus
Member
It's definitely a hint to his motivations given the rest that we know. Not bothered by the Fox headline.
If it's far left to want to fight for minorities and the poor (which it is), then I again have to laugh at such characterization. We stick to the Democrats solely because there's no other viable option. And the party takes forever to change to listen to us. It's a vote done purely because we're held captive. Not because we like them.
Given how quickly the centrists jump into bed with the Republicans (hell, they're already asking us to unite with the Republicans yet again), I have to ask what reality you're watching. I won't be surprised when the right-wing uses this to condemn everyone on the left. And I won't be surprised further to see it go unchecked.
elrechazado
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Her shooter had no political motivation, so I'm not sure what position not you're making.
The Greek Freak
Member
It's ok the centrist "democrats" will do that plenty for them.
Ah right, all that writing he did echoing Tea Party rhetoric was just a coincidence 🙄
Part of me is relieved it's a white dude. If he was a poc, I'm sure they'd use this to bolster their travel ban rhetoric.
gregor7777
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Quite clearly rushed to internet rage.
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You can never make this comment without talking about the concerted effort to suppress the vote in these communities.
Yeah, instead they're going to bolster their agenda to push whatever they want down our throats...
The man's skin color should matter very little here dude...
theechrisfox
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That individual was described as a jogger in shorts whereas the alleged shooter was a large man in jeans.
Trojita
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Oh, I'm aware they will. I'm just saying at the very least they won't be harping about that.
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