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[MechDX]

Here, I'll isolate the relevant bits.



This argument is sourced.

We need to start killing poor people ASAP (or at least push legislation that makes them more likely to die), otherwise more will die in the future. Like deer, or some other nonhuman animal.

It sounds pretty unempathetic, but we need to face reality. Trump and the Republicans are misunderstood. They are trying to save humanity. Like hunters when they cull deer populations so that they don't overbreed and starve the whole species out.

So when will the first annual Hunger Games commence?

 

[L Thammy]

This is like when the the teacher tears up your homework and then berates you for not handing it in.

 

[JettDash]

Republicans are trying to save humanity by taking healthcare from tens of millions? Yeah, sure, has nothing to do with securing tax cuts for rich people.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Pretty sure CornBurrito is engaging in extremely dead pan sarcasm

 

[HotHamBoy]

They hid the fucking bill until the last second! They kept hearings and amendments to the absolute minimum and even talked about calling for a vote before the CBO could provide a score!

Fake news, I know.

America's in serious trouble. Even if Trump isn't around, the way conservatives routinely ignore basic facts is an existential threat..

Yup. Literally every thing I tell my dad is immediately dismissed due to my sources and worldview . Any source that isn't his is liberal propaganda/fake news.

Trump and the GOP have already done incredible, long-lasting damage with "alternative facts."

 

[Clefargle]

Here, I'll isolate the relevant bits.



This argument is sourced.

We need to start killing poor people ASAP (or at least push legislation that makes them more likely to die), otherwise more will die in the future. Like deer, or some other nonhuman animal.

It sounds pretty unempathetic, but we need to face reality. Trump and the Republicans are misunderstood. They are trying to save humanity. Like hunters when they cull deer populations so that they don't overbreed and starve the whole species out.

Any solution for healthcare that starts with "we need to start killing people" is not a solution. This argument is unethical and also not true. The rising costs can be mitigated in other ways, single payer says hello. You're literally saying "we need to treat humans inhumanely now to maximize humane treatment of humans in the future" it makes no goddamn sense. You sound like a fucking rampant AI.

 

[boiled goose]

We'll see what happens with repeal effort first?

Is the fucking turtle this fucking stupid?

 

[HStallion]

Here, I'll isolate the relevant bits.



This argument is sourced.

We need to start killing poor people ASAP (or at least push legislation that makes them more likely to die), otherwise more will die in the future. Like deer, or some other nonhuman animal.

It sounds pretty unempathetic, but we need to face reality. Trump and the Republicans are misunderstood. They are trying to save humanity. Like hunters when they cull deer populations so that they don't overbreed and starve the whole species out.

What the fuck is this? Nothing about sounding unempathetic, that IS unempathetic. What a shitty thing to say, you should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

 

[CornBurrito]

Any solution for healthcare that starts with "we need to start killing people" is not a solution. This argument is unethical and also not true. The rising costs can be mitigated in other ways, single payer says hello. You're literally saying "we need to treat humans inhumanely now to maximize humane treatment of humans in the future" it makes no goddamn sense. You sound like a fucking rampant AI.

See, I thought single payer was the solution too. But that argument has been thoroughly defeated.

Because there's no clear way to transition the US to a single-payer system in a way that wouldn't cause mass rebellion once people see what it entails:

http://www.newsweek.com/quora-question-why-single-payer-healthcare-wont-work-611168

There WOULD be restrictions in terms of people's options and (in some cases) quality of care (ask anyone who is on Medicaid what it looks like). For example, Medicare forces prices lower by simply capping what it will pay for certain services, which turns Medicare into a money loser for many practices who have a choice to A) simply stop accepting patients who use it or B) make up the shortfall by charging other patients more. If you go to a system where everyone is paying Medicare rates, hospitals start closing.

It's not simple - anyone who tells you it's simple is lying. Medical costs in the USA are skyrocketing and it's not because evil billionaires are stealing all of the money; it's due to dozens of different factors that no one is quite sure how to solve. For example: we are already facing a potentially catastrophic doctor shortage. If we go to a government system that caps doctor salaries, do you think that problem gets better, or worse?

 

[TankRizzo]

So how does Obamacare "collapse"? I don't understand what this motherfucker means by that. By doing nothing?

anyone?

 

[watershed]

If this was such a brilliant, sure to succeed plan it would have been plan A and not plan it's-our-only-option-left-because-we-can't-pass-anything. Republicans can't govern and Trump doesn't know how to do his job. There is no brilliance here.

 

[Spider from Mars]

So how does Obamacare "collapse"? I don't understand what this motherfucker means by that. By doing nothing?

They can stop certain payments and subsidies and bleed it out.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

If the market collapses.........won't people blame the GOP for having all the power to avoid that and still letting it happen?

Why wouldn't they just blame Obama again?

 

[Escape Goat]

anyone?

Insurers pull out of the market, 0remiums continue to go up, healthy people drop out, premiums go up, sick people dead.

 

[GK86]

Not sure if it deserves it's own thread, but:

President Donald Trump is trying to save the GOP's near-dead effort to repeal Obamacare.

The president has invited all 52 GOP senators to the White House for lunch on Wednesday to see if he can revive the GOP's moribund plans to repeal and replace the 2010 health law.

 

[Euphoria14]

What I don't get is, how do we reduce the defecit when whatever we save by cutting these programs is just turned into tax cuts for the wealthiest of Americans?

None of it seems to be going back into the system to pay off the debt.

Unless I'm missing something here. Do they think the tax savings are going to magically end up in everyone's paycheck and they will spend it, rather than the rich just hoarding it as they usually do?

 

[watershed]

Not sure if it deserves it's own thread, but:

And he'll end up talking about himself and some random made up conspiracy about Hillary Clinton and people will leave the meeting with an even greater understanding of just how incompetent Trump is.

 

[HStallion]

Not sure if it deserves it's own thread, but:

He has less and less political clout by the day. Its basically going to be him sitting there talking to himself.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

He has less and less political clout by the day. Its basically going to be him sitting there talking to himself.

I'm sure he'll insult and threaten some of the Senators in the room too.

 

[mjp2417]

What I don't get is, how do we reduce the defecit when whatever we save by cutting these programs is just turned into tax cuts for the wealthiest of Americans?

None of it seems to be going back into the system to pay off the debt.

Unless I'm missing something here. Do they think the tax savings are going to magically end up in everyone's paycheck and they will spend it, rather than the rich just hoarding it as they usually do?

The GOP doesn't care about the deficit or debt. The GOP has never cared about the deficit or debt.

 

[reelbigtink]

Well.

My boss was right.

Republicans won't care what the consequences are and who gets the blame. They'll handwave away their terrible replacement ideas and blame Obama. The base will buy it 100%.

 

[Gallbaro]

Unfortunately much of the drivers of costs in the health Care system are the reasons Republicans list (at least 2 presidents ago). Doctors do make too much money, pharma does charge too much, malpractice does award too much, insurance should go across state lines.

But Democrats do not like going after costs, especially in those groups. See Obamacare's failures.

But healthcare does need to be regulated at the federal level and it should not be linked to employment (remove the damn tax break), insurance needs to be hugely simplified through that regulation and wealth should be redistributed to help the poor.

But sane republicans do not like expanding the federal government, which is required in a health Care marketplace where people can traverse state lines.

Now the insane turd monkeys we have now, all populist gas but stock in neutral (thank God), solution is to lunch poor brown people.

The easiest transition for the country would be the Dutch system. Everyone had to buy a single plan (gold equivalent) from a choice of insurance companies. You can buy whatever supplemental you want after that.

 

[Kremzeek]

this is egregiously, horrifically, negligently irresponsible to recommend a collapse of the health insurance market just because F-U.


must be nice to work in government and have A+++ insurance for yourself. the best.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Well.

My boss was right.

Republicans won't care what the consequences are and who gets the blame. They'll handwave away their terrible replacement ideas and blame Obama. The base will buy it 100%.

They do care about the consequences, they are just misguided in the idea that the American people will blame Democrats and not them.

If Republicans didn't actually care about consequences then they would have repealed ACA by now and been done with this whole ordeal. They don't actually want to reform healthcare. They don't know how to and they don't have any interest in helping people get better health services for less money.

The AHCA is merely a means to an end for cutting Medicaid and other benefits in order to pay for tax cuts. If they weren't afraid of the fallout from their base, they'd be perfectly happy letting the healthcare and health insurance industries collapse back towards the clusterfuck they existed in before the ACA.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

Here, I'll isolate the relevant bits.

This argument is sourced.

We need to start killing poor people ASAP (or at least push legislation that makes them more likely to die), otherwise more will die in the future. Like deer, or some other nonhuman animal.

It sounds pretty unempathetic, but we need to face reality. Trump and the Republicans are misunderstood. They are trying to save humanity. Like hunters when they cull deer populations so that they don't overbreed and starve the whole species out.

When Mr. Wong implies that the US being $18 trillion in debt is bad (now 19.8 T) and talks about collapsing like Greece, then a light bulb should've went off in your head that you're being fooled. The US has ran a net deficit since its first fiscal year and has leveraged debt as a tool for centuries with great success. It's a big reason why the US is one of the richest and most powerful countries on Earth. Mr. Wong should be thankful as opposed to fear-mongering.

In addition, health care costs skyrocketing will accordingly (if that occurs) elevate inflation as well as GDP. The problem isn't financial as Mr. Wong suggests, but rather that of an absurd burden. One sector will swamp output more than it does anywhere else in the world. In other words, Americans are getting fleeced as they pay more for less. It's very sad.

 

[Isaac Otherworld]

No, people will probably believe that it's the Democrats fault because they didn't want to work with the GOP to fix Obamacare to the point that they (democrats) would rather watch it burn than let the GOP fix it.

Even if that makes no sense since the GOP could fix it if they wanted and don't even need the Democrats help. Control of all branches of government is something that Republicans doesn't want to understand.

They believe what they want to believe.

CNN and the conservative anchors on MSNBC are already planning on running this. Both sides. Why can't democrats play nice?

 

[Schattenjäger]

From a strategic standpoint this makes more sense than repealing without a plan

 

[Regulus Tera]

Here, I'll isolate the relevant bits.



This argument is sourced.

We need to start killing poor people ASAP (or at least push legislation that makes them more likely to die), otherwise more will die in the future. Like deer, or some other nonhuman animal.

It sounds pretty unempathetic, but we need to face reality. Trump and the Republicans are misunderstood. They are trying to save humanity. Like hunters when they cull deer populations so that they don't overbreed and starve the whole species out.

You know what would be a good way to tackle the rising debt? Funnel some money from defence into it.

 

[legacyzero]

Not sure if it deserves it's own thread, but:

"Blah blah FAILING blah blah blah FAILING blah blah TREMENDOUS blah blah"

 

[Loxley]

Some of ya'll are acting like Republicans have never paid for fucking things up. The Dems had two wave elections in a row in 2006 and 2008 thanks largely to the Iraq War, Bush Jr's bungling of Katrina, and the recession. If they fuck up healthcare, they'll pay for it. You can moan all you want how they'll blame Dems for it (which they absolutely will), but history has shown that when shit goes south, ultimately it's the party in charge that gets blamed and suffers for it.

 

[Wet Bloodfart]

Here, I'll isolate the relevant bits.



This argument is sourced.

We need to start killing poor people ASAP (or at least push legislation that makes them more likely to die), otherwise more will die in the future. Like deer, or some other nonhuman animal.

It sounds pretty unempathetic, but we need to face reality. Trump and the Republicans are misunderstood. They are trying to save humanity. Like hunters when they cull deer populations so that they don't overbreed and starve the whole species out.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[rjinaz]

From a strategic standpoint this makes more sense than repealing without a plan

hmm ok sure. That's about the best thing you can say about this frankly callous plan. This President is becoming an enemy of his own people. Let them die just to spite Democrats.

Anyway, CornBurrito is not being serious I'm quite sure. He is channeling Wong though that posts this kind of crazy talk right here on GAF.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

On my way home right wing talk was so pissed off that it de-evolved to how we need to get rid of medicare too. Man they are shook.

 

[CornBurrito]

You should be ashamed of yourself.

For what?

David H Wong's argument is sourced. Those sources look legitimate. My feelings don't change facts.

 

[Hurricane_Chris]

If the market collapses.........won't people blame the GOP for having all the power to avoid that and still letting it happen?

Her emails doe.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Some of ya'll are acting like Republicans have never paid for fucking things up. The Dems had two wave elections in a row in 2006 and 2008 thanks largely to the Iraq War, Bush Jr's bungling of Katrina, and the recession. If they fuck up healthcare, they'll pay for it. You can moan all you want how they'll blame Dems for it (which they absolutely will), but history has shown that when shit goes south, ultimately it's the party in charge that gets blamed and suffers for it.

Yeah people keep focusing on what batshit insane Republicans think (who refuse to have any level of reasoning), instead of independents and others.

 

[Gallbaro]

Her emails doe.

Sound clip on Useless 24/7 news channel.

"This was Obama's Law, we tried to change it but not a single Democrat worked with us!"

Next 8 hours of coverage on that one fucking sound clip with talking heads.

 

[HStallion]

For what?

David H Wong's argument is sourced. Those sources look legitimate. My feelings don't change facts.

Don't fight the shame, you earned it with that post.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

GOP is being very foolish if they think blaming Democrats once people start dying is going to do them any favors. 2018 is just around the corner and they decided to keep fucking that chicken instead of conceding that bipartisanship is the only way forward for them.

 

[D4Danger]

Consider this everyone. If we don't cut spending on healthcare now, many more will die in the future. Humans are like deer. We need to kill some now to save more later.

I assume you're not including yourself in the cull because you're so special humanity just wouldn't be the same without you.

 

[Wet Bloodfart]

For what?

David H Wong's argument is sourced. Those sources look legitimate. My feelings don't change facts.

as its been pointed out in the thread, "facts."

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

For what?

David H Wong's argument is sourced. Those sources look legitimate. My feelings don't change facts.

So, you're actually advocating for people who make lesser income to die off in order for the greater good to thrive?

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

So, you're actually advocating for people who make lesser income to die off in order for the greater good to thrive?

That dude has got to be trolling.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

From a strategic standpoint this makes more sense than repealing without a plan

I thought politics was too divisive and we should work together?

 

[D4Danger]

That dude has got to be trolling.

either that or they're off masturbating to the purge

 

[Wet Bloodfart]

That dude has got to be trolling.

or a Gary Johnson supporter

 

[CornBurrito]

That dude has got to be trolling.

I do not believe the person who made the original argument was trolling. Why do you assume David H Wong was trolling with his post?

So, you're actually advocating for people who make lesser income to die off in order for the greater good to thrive?

I'm really not understanding why I'm getting such heat, but nobody got mad when the original argument was made not even a month ago.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

I do not believe the person who made the original argument was trolling. Why do you assume David H Wong was trolling with his post?

We're talking about your own personal endorsement of the "sourced" material.

 

[HStallion]

I do not believe the person who made the original argument was trolling. Why do you assume David H Wong was trolling with his post?

Because David H Wong isn't absolute and a lot of people disagree with him all the time when he posts on this board. You posting "facts" as a justification for euthanasia of the poor doesn't make you sound any less shitty.

 

[rjinaz]

I thought it was obvious when he kept bringing up how the article is sourced, it's some random practicing psychiatrist's blog. He's trolling. That said, it seems to have just derailed a very serious and important topic.

Also, if he is being somewhat serious, people tend to ignore much of what Wong posts because it tends to be walls of Republican rhetoric.