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franconp

Member
Why would anyone care about town points? And follow up, more scummy shit that kitsune is actually going for it.

Actually they don't worth shit. But I want to see some reads from other people instead of all the same players. But shhhhh. Keep this between us.
 

Ty4on

Member
This, to me, feels like a bizarre work around into voting for Sorian, as both Sophia and Sorian say directly after:

I'm reading this differently. It seems like Darryl is saying this to me:
I read backwards and started with his post. He read like a scum trying to gain cred and pocket townies by reading them as town. Because I read it as a scum/town interaction I automatically thought Muffin/Sam was town when I came around to reading that part and their posts didn't do much to my read one way or another.

For completeness here's Darryl's original post:
Well I'm approaching the posts from a different angle because I was reading the thread in reverse and I saw Sorian's posts before I saw the posts themselves. Like I was unnerved by those Sorian posts because they felt like posts scum would make in reply to something from a townie, like to appear proactive, knowledgeable, or to earn cred by vouching. So I thought they felt townie from the beginning.

I think they'd feel townie to me if I saw them first I just don't think I can imagine myself staunchly vouching for it or even following the line of thought Sorian did.
End.


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If I had to guess judging from the time of my post(6:58am my time), this was the last post I made before going to bed after getting home from work. Which means I read all of the preceding 20 minutes worth of posts together as one skim. I do think you were re-writing history or more specifically, getting in front of possible backlash before it happened but I did not remember that post about Ouro at all so I likely didn't register it at all and was probably still thinking about your Kark vote which was the last vote in the game.

Also, posts with highlights in them get more reading time on skims because human nature.
Oh, do you mean me making that post about voting like this as scum? I was thinking my later posts telling you it was wrong to group my vote with that post.


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Personally, my feeling is most are laying low or switching off, while someone is guiding the discussion to make sure nobody is in danger. That seems like bare minimum of what's going on.
This is actually kinda interesting. I can see a scum partner being more likely to do less if they have a partner doing most of the heavy lifting.
One thing tho is that postcount does not mean you won't get lynched. Ouro is arguably the most likely lynch RN despite almost having the most posts.
 

Natiko

Banned
Kark, I'm honestly not sure what insight that post was meant to bring. Felt like a lot of words that ultimately amounted to one question about potential scum activity levels and your guess as to which they would fall under.

You seemed really upset that the vote was moving away from Ouro
Such a hot take I'm surprised you didn't burn yourself. Royal is my top scum read and I'd gladly flip back to him, I did push that vote for a good chunk of the day. Doesn't mean I won't view a sudden push to defend someone that's my second highest scum read especially when the reasoning is so poor with anything but skepticism.
 

Darryl

Banned
This, to me, looks like a post designed to appear like they are scum hunting without actually scum hunting. Considering the posts and conversations they have had previously, it's very 'out of nowhere' feeling as well.

Doesn't make sense at all when you look at the timeline for these events. I am not scum hunting in that post? Why did I follow it 20 minutes later with another post throwing shade at your team mate (original work - no one else has pointed how Sorian's voting patterns), completely unprompted? How can you possibly say that I wasn't scum hunting when I was obviously sitting in the thread during that post, sifting through for evidence of wrongdoing in places where no one else was? No, it is really obvious that you aren't even reading the posts or trying to piece together a line of events. You've went through and found all of my posts and now you're trying to tie them all together haphazardly for a half-baked take-down.

And yet again, no follow up from Darryl on Sorian's thoughts on him or Ouro.

Yea, because I didn't need to. Sorian responded exactly the way I was expecting to if he was scum, which would've been to deflect it to avoid being in the spotlight. I don't think I could have sold this at that moment to anyone but myself. Also, the thread was really bloated and by the time I could have responded it was 2 pages back. I am not surprised at all to see the OMGUS coming from you. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Sorian convinced you to do it in your lover's chat to avoid it being so transparent that his scummery was so flagrant.

Like, let's look at his response.

I would lynch Ouro. Your analysis is bad though. My early vote on Ouro, while having real reasoning, was mild at best, he's hung himself much more on real issues since then. My vote for kitsune also wasn't an activity prod so not sure where you pulled that from. I was reading both her and Dragonz as scum but Dragonz had just gone to sleep while kitsune appeared to still be around which is why I voted where I did, was hoping for an over defense again but got ghosted instead.

Let's rephrase that mouth of words, lol!

Sorian being scummy said:
I took my vote off Ouro because I thought he was scummy and the reasons he was scummy got bigger, yet I took my vote off of him.

You guys know this doesn't make any sense whatsoever and it isn't a rebuttal. Like you can't just deflect an accusation of being scummy by pointing out that it was even scummier than I realized (actually - no, Sorian doing this was 100% baked into my accusation of him to begin with and was what led the entire line of questioning). Like what would I even respond to? Did you want me to nag at him so he could just passively deflect again? What was my response supposed to be here?

Darryl in Sorian/Fat's dreams said:
Oh, Sorian-senpai, you are correct. You have mastered me with your wit and you've proven to me that you're more capable of realizing how scummy you are, therefore you are town.

NEVER
 
Okay. My read on TWE....

This is another comment that kind of popped out to me. I don't think we necessarily have to quote on quote weed out townies. The reads should be subtle regarding Townies. Not blatant like I've seen in past games.

Solid enough question. No qualms with this early post.

No activity for a few pages after commenting on things they were asked to talk about. Null so far. Jumps in to defend their partner[/quote] which I wouldn't put past anyone in this kind of game.

[url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245354649&postcount=1025]We seem to have a similar argument on D1 reads.[/quote] This doesn't really say anything, but is interesting to note.

FEP asks why they did some reassuring in public chat and not private chat, and [url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245359932&postcount=1042]TWE really wants people to know how they think.[/quote] Which is, again, a thing that makes sense.

[url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245362209&postcount=1047]Offers a read on Nomadic.
(I'm there too, but I'm ignoring reads on me because they would unfairly color my ultimate conclusion.) Says Nomadic is shitposting and summoning peeps. Now, I'm just reading TWE's posts, so I don't have the context here. But I don't think shitposting is a legitimate argument against anyone on D1 of all days, so there is a little side-eying here.

Talks about hottakes about partner, stands fast and defends their partner. Solid.

Responds to a weird nitpick on the part of Sophia, just saying that he never said his partner shouldn't come in to defend himself, which I guess makes sense. This makes me side-eye Sophia a bit, but again, this is D1, all we have to go on are nitpicks.

Talks about Krak not being around, which is a decent question. However, TWE is attacking Darryl for doing the thing Sophia accused TWE of, which is strange??? It's okay if they do it, but not if Darryl does it? Super side-eye here. I could be reading this wrong due to not having context for Darryl's stuff.


Ultimately, my read is null, but there is definitely something to side-eye there if you really want to tunnel in on it. Since this is D1 though I'm willing to just kinda shrug it off.
 

Sorian

Banned
Yes Ty4on, the post about how you vote as scum. I assume you realize that since you quoted it when you asked me the question.
 

Sorian

Banned
Doesn't make sense at all when you look at the timeline for these events. I am not scum hunting in that post? Why did I follow it 20 minutes later with another post throwing shade at your team mate (original work - no one else has pointed how Sorian's voting patterns), completely unprompted? How can you possibly say that I wasn't scum hunting when I was obviously sitting in the thread during that post, sifting through for evidence of wrongdoing in places where no one else was? No, it is really obvious that you aren't even reading the posts or trying to piece together a line of events. You've went through and found all of my posts and now you're trying to tie them all together haphazardly for a half-baked take-down.



Yea, because I didn't need to. Sorian responded exactly the way I was expecting to if he was scum, which would've been to deflect it to avoid being in the spotlight. I don't think I could have sold this at that moment to anyone but myself. Also, the thread was really bloated and by the time I could have responded it was 2 pages back. I am not surprised at all to see the OMGUS coming from you. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Sorian convinced you to do it in your lover's chat to avoid it being so transparent that his scummery was so flagrant.

Like, let's look at his response.



Let's rephrase that mouth of words, lol!



You guys know this doesn't make any sense whatsoever and it isn't a rebuttal. Like you can't just deflect an accusation of being scummy by pointing out that it was even scummier than I realized (actually - no, Sorian doing this was 100% baked into my accusation of him to begin with and was what led the entire line of questioning). Like what would I even respond to? Did you want me to nag at him so he could just passively deflect again? What was my response supposed to be here?



NEVER

It's day 1 and we still had what, 50 hours at that point? Why would I sit on Ouro if I want to pressure others? When have I ever done that? You've done this exact same argument with me in other games. This isn't new.
 

Darryl

Banned
I'm reading this differently. It seems like Darryl is saying this to me:


For completeness here's Darryl's original post:

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Oh, do you mean me making that post about voting like this as scum? I was thinking my later posts telling you it was wrong to group my vote with that post.


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This is actually kinda interesting. I can see a scum partner being more likely to do less if they have a partner doing most of the heavy lifting.
One thing tho is that postcount does not mean you won't get lynched. Ouro is arguably the most likely lynch RN despite almost having the most posts.

Ya this is correct. That post isn't a justification for my vote on Sorian. Fat4all isn't trying to understand the posts he's complaining about. It is talking about how my opinion on the subject matter is corrupted because the manner of how the events unfolded in my brain gave me preconceived notions of people.
 

Natiko

Banned
This argument between Darryl and Sorian/Fat isn't really making me feel like either is scum. Only thing that gives me pause is I'm not used to seeing Fat make such long posts lol
 

Ty4on

Member
Yes Ty4on, the post about how you vote as scum. I assume you realize that since you quoted it when you asked me the question.

sigh -_-

You responded with disbelief when I wrote that those two weren't linked and I didn't even think about my own vote until you pointed it out. It was a tangent that popped into my head about how I'd play kinda unpredictably as scum to break free from the patterns you get stuck doing trying not to step on anyone's feet.

Did you think me explaining that post as that - being unrelated to my vote - was me trying to rewrite history?

I guess you've kinda answered this, but it was a vague "yes, but it's weird".
*stuff I'll read, maybe tomorrow depending on how tired I am*

What do you think of my, ehm, rewriting of your post? Is it accurate or did I misunderstand you?
 

Fat4all

Banned
No, it is really obvious that you aren't even reading the posts or trying to piece together a line of events. You've went through and found all of my posts and now you're trying to tie them all together haphazardly for a half-baked take-down.

Darryl, the point I was making is that your posts don't go together. As I said, it looks like coasting, busy work, like you are looking around at what everyone else is making reads on and laying down your own 'scum reads' based off what other have already posted.

The inconsistency and lack or correspondence is what ties your post history together, not my post compiling them together so it's easier to see.

Ya this is correct. That post isn't a justification for my vote on Sorian. Fat4all isn't trying to understand the posts he's complaining about. It is talking about how my opinion on the subject matter is corrupted because the manner of how the events unfolded in my brain gave me preconceived notions of people.

Again, your post history is your own undoing, don't get upset just because someone else brings it up.
 

Xbro

Member
Have you been doing the same then? Considering that you showed up pretty quickly after I asked that.

You consider a 40 minute difference quickly? I was just finishing up my lunch break and checked in at that point.

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Ouro, I'm curious on your vote for Kark. Your focus at the time was at me, yet the vote was thrown toward him. Standard procedure is to vote for the first person of the pair, which is me.
 

Ty4on

Member
Ya this is correct. That post isn't a justification for my vote on Sorian. Fat4all isn't trying to understand the posts he's complaining about. It is talking about how my opinion on the subject matter is corrupted because the manner of how the events unfolded in my brain gave me preconceived notions of people.

Remind me to always refresh before posting...

Not sure for how much longer I'll be in this thread - don't wanna be up to 6am again - but I wanna see your reads and prodding. Not just to read you, but also for leads. You seem to find scum others are missing.
Right now you're sorta this town read I feel I should rethink.
 

franconp

Member
Okay. My read on TWE....



Solid enough question. No qualms with this early post.

No activity for a few pages after commenting on things they were asked to talk about. Null so far. Jumps in to defend their partner
which I wouldn't put past anyone in this kind of game.

[url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245354649&postcount=1025]We seem to have a similar argument on D1 reads.[/quote] This doesn't really say anything, but is interesting to note.

FEP asks why they did some reassuring in public chat and not private chat, and [url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245359932&postcount=1042]TWE really wants people to know how they think.[/quote] Which is, again, a thing that makes sense.

[url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245362209&postcount=1047]Offers a read on Nomadic.
(I'm there too, but I'm ignoring reads on me because they would unfairly color my ultimate conclusion.) Says Nomadic is shitposting and summoning peeps. Now, I'm just reading TWE's posts, so I don't have the context here. But I don't think shitposting is a legitimate argument against anyone on D1 of all days, so there is a little side-eying here.

Talks about hottakes about partner, stands fast and defends their partner. Solid.

Responds to a weird nitpick on the part of Sophia, just saying that he never said his partner shouldn't come in to defend himself, which I guess makes sense. This makes me side-eye Sophia a bit, but again, this is D1, all we have to go on are nitpicks.

Talks about Krak not being around, which is a decent question. However, TWE is attacking Darryl for doing the thing Sophia accused TWE of, which is strange??? It's okay if they do it, but not if Darryl does it? Super side-eye here. I could be reading this wrong due to not having context for Darryl's stuff.


Ultimately, my read is null, but there is definitely something to side-eye there if you really want to tunnel in on it. Since this is D1 though I'm willing to just kinda shrug it off.[/QUOTE]

There is something that is bothering me here. I see to many "solid" and "I agree" or "have a similar" to actually finish with a null read.
 

Ty4on

Member
so, Karkador

why did you decide to analyze post counts, anyway
lol
You consider a 40 minute difference quickly? I was just finishing up my lunch break and checked in at that point.

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Ouro, I'm curious on your vote for Kark. Your focus at the time was at me, yet the vote was thrown toward him. Standard procedure is to vote for the first person of the pair, which is me.
You've apparently been talking to him for a while now, but I think this is your first game playing with Kark. What do you think of him? Like generally, does his analysis seem valuable, interesting etc.?
 

Fat4all

Banned
I am not surprised at all to see the OMGUS coming from you. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Sorian convinced you to do it in your lover's chat to avoid it being so transparent that his scummery was so flagrant.

I had very little interaction with Sorian while building my read against you, just so you know. What caused me to look back at your post history more thoroughly was your comment against TWE more than anything, as well as the small proddings you made earlier that lead nowhere.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
You consider a 40 minute difference quickly? I was just finishing up my lunch break and checked in at that point.

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Ouro, I'm curious on your vote for Kark. Your focus at the time was at me, yet the vote was thrown toward him. Standard procedure is to vote for the first person of the pair, which is me.

I just don't follow procedure. i just picked a name.
 
And of course the quote is broken.

This is definitely not my night.

I know exactly what you mean.

There is something that is bothering me here. I see to many "solid" and "I agree" or "have a similar" to actually finish with a null read.

Because what I agree with doesn't indicate any specific read one way or the other. There's no "tells" in anything I can see out of those.
 

Verelios

Member
I think this is the kinda of question that can only really be answered after the game is over. It's hard to say either way. I don;t know if a player would be willing to completely change their play style as a scum just from having a partner, ie posting less than usual or more than usual to match/separate themselves from them.

And even then, that's just on a numbers play style instead of a content play style. It's pretty restrictive in how you view a team as scum or town.
That's pretty much nonsense to me at this point. Given how many people have a supposed 'parity' between them, it doesn't mean anything beyond people have different posting habits.

I refuse to believe this is what you spent all of day 1 formulating and calculating over Mark, because that's giant bullshit if so.
 

Ty4on

Member
God dammit, can I edit just to close those links? Pretty please?

Sadly not, you just have to live with them

My first game had a horribly formatted reads list. It turned out however that if you read the first letter of every line the malformed list formed a secret message that told us who he had seen at night. (AbsolutBro in Danganronpa)
And of course the quote is broken.

This is definitely not my night.
Remember to delete all the rogue:
Code:
[/QUOTE]
when quoting a post with borked quotes ;)
 

Ty4on

Member
Is this correct?

Okay. My read on TWE....



Solid enough question. No qualms with this early post.

No activity for a few pages after commenting on things they were asked to talk about. Null so far. Jumps in to defend their partner which I wouldn't put past anyone in this kind of game.

We seem to have a similar argument on D1 reads. This doesn't really say anything, but is interesting to note.

FEP asks why they did some reassuring in public chat and not private chat, and TWE really wants people to know how they think. Which is, again, a thing that makes sense.

Offers a read on Nomadic. (I'm there too, but I'm ignoring reads on me because they would unfairly color my ultimate conclusion.) Says Nomadic is shitposting and summoning peeps. Now, I'm just reading TWE's posts, so I don't have the context here. But I don't think shitposting is a legitimate argument against anyone on D1 of all days, so there is a little side-eying here.

Talks about hottakes about partner, stands fast and defends their partner. Solid.

Responds to a weird nitpick on the part of Sophia, just saying that he never said his partner shouldn't come in to defend himself, which I guess makes sense. This makes me side-eye Sophia a bit, but again, this is D1, all we have to go on are nitpicks.

Talks about Krak not being around, which is a decent question. However, TWE is attacking Darryl for doing the thing Sophia accused TWE of, which is strange??? It's okay if they do it, but not if Darryl does it? Super side-eye here. I could be reading this wrong due to not having context for Darryl's stuff.


Ultimately, my read is null, but there is definitely something to side-eye there if you really want to tunnel in on it. Since this is D1 though I'm willing to just kinda shrug it off.
 

Xbro

Member
You've apparently been talking to him for a while now, but I think this is your first game playing with Kark. What do you think of him? Like generally, does his analysis seem valuable, interesting etc.?

I can tell that like me, he's a fan of elaborate plans in games. Since I didn't have a plan when he pitched his 'gambit', I went along with what he had.

To be honest I actually expected he had more than that during the discussions. I thought it was an interesting analysis(still do), but I figured he had more plans going with it with such a huge setup. Whether or not it's useful is still being deliberated now that more of it has come to light.

I expect that he was pressured by expectations of his gambits enough that he felt he had to do one. I personally find that you can't really rush big plans, they need to come up naturally.
 

Darryl

Banned
Darryl, the point I was making is that your posts don't go together. As I said, it looks like coasting, busy work, like you are looking around at what everyone else is making reads on and laying down your own 'scum reads' based off what other have already posted.

The inconsistency and lack or correspondence is what ties your post history together, not my post compiling them together so it's easier to see.



Again, your post history is your own undoing, don't get upset just because someone else brings it up.

Yea okay. Explain how this entered your mind and you regurgitated it, thinking you would hunt scum like this. How is this not deceptive and why shouldn't we lynch someone engaging in active deception?

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Fireblend

Banned
I haven't read the last 2-3 pages fully but I agree that post from Kark was a whole lot of nothing and terribly underwhelming. If that's what you sacrificed being active and contributive for, I don't think that was a good trade at all.
 

Fat4all

Banned
Yea okay. Explain how this entered your mind and you regurgitated it, thinking you would hunt scum like this. How is this not deceptive and why shouldn't we lynch someone engaging in active deception?

Like I said, you made a prod to Sorian and a prod to the chat as a whole around that time, but the lack of follow-up and vagueness of those two posts in general (as you never saw any of those attempts at engaging town through) makes them appear as nothing more than showing up to chat just because you have to, or else people will wonder why you haven't. As a whole, they ring out as hollow to me.

I said all this already in my larger post by the way, and I don't see how making .png is going to change my opinions on those posts at all.
 

Darryl

Banned
Like I said, you made a prod to Sorian and a prod to the chat as a whole around that time, but the lack of follow-up and vagueness of those two posts in general (as you never saw any of those attempts at engaging town through) makes them appear as nothing more than showing up to chat just because you have to, or else people will wonder why you haven't. As a whole, they ring out as hollow to me.

I said all this already in my larger post by the way, and I don't see how making .png is going to change my opinions on those posts at all.

This is false. Nearly every post that I've made in this thread has had the same theme and followed the same line of thinking, which is that you and Sorian are scum and the evidence has consistently mounted. I don't find this response suitable at all. I think the image above points out an extremely disingenuous attitude from you, which is really obvious if anyone pays close attention to your longpost that was chock full of you trying to re-frame my posts under coated snark. You failed to put two different posts from two different days within context for anyone who read your post. This doesn't even seem like the mistake an innocent but heated townie would make. This looks like legit scummery and deception. I don't accept it and I hope we lynch you today. :)
 

Darryl

Banned
What are you talking about here?

My meta read around how Sorian would handle being called out while scum. Town Sorian would get heated and confront me because they would have nothing to hide. Scum sorian would passively throw shade through his scum mate, which is why I thought to look at Fat4all's post and see if they attempted to build a take-down without actually reading my posts
 

Fat4all

Banned
You failed to put two different posts from two different days within context for anyone who read your post.

Each and every quote I pulled from you is linked and whoever reads it can get their own context as well as my opinion.

If you want to talk about disingenuous context:

This is false. Nearly every post that I've made in this thread has had the same theme and followed the same line of thinking, which is that you and Sorian are scum and the evidence has consistently mounted.

This is very clearly a lie.

Of the 15 posts you made in this game before my analysis of your posts, you made only only 3 had any indication to Sorian (or myself) being scum. It's 4 posts if you count your read list that had nothing but you 'gut' reads.

It was only after my post about your playstyle that you've decided to go all out with this barrage of nonsense against us, with not even a sentiment of a read on me before then, let alone the "evidence consistently mounting" you claim for there to be.
 

Ty4on

Member
My meta read around how Sorian would handle being called out while scum. Town Sorian would get heated and confront me because they would have nothing to hide. Scum sorian would passively throw shade through his scum mate, which is why I thought to look at Fat4all's post and see if they attempted to build a take-down without actually reading my posts

Ah, gotcha, the entire read. Thought it was something specific.
Darryl, the point I was making is that your posts don't go together. As I said, it looks like coasting, busy work, like you are looking around at what everyone else is making reads on and laying down your own 'scum reads' based off what other have already posted.

How many instances are there of Sorian using the term "busy work" in your chat? :p
Again, your post history is your own undoing, don't get upset just because someone else brings it up.
How do you read his clarification?
 

Ourobolus

Banned
Can't say I'm a fan of Darryl being so high-and-mighty in his posts. I know he typically tries to carry an air of authority, but still
 

Darryl

Banned
Each and every quote I pulled from you is linked and whoever reads it can get their own context as well as my opinion.

If you want to talk about disingenuous context:



This is very clearly a lie.

Of the 15 posts you made in this game before my analysis of your posts, you made only only 3 had any indication to Sorian (or myself) being scum. It's 4 posts if you count your read list that had nothing but you 'gut' reads.

It was only after my post about your playstyle that you've decided to go all out with this barrage of nonsense against us, with not even a sentiment of a read on me before then, let alone the "evidence consistently mounting" you claim for there to be.

#659
#666
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3 posts!
 

Fat4all

Banned
#659
#666
#1006
#1339

before my critic

#1308
#1313
#1334
#1338
#1340

3 posts!

after my critic

I find it odd that you are claiming I'm not "reading" your posts when it pretty blatant you don't seem to be reading mine.

Of the 15 posts you made in this game before my analysis of your posts, you made only only 3 had any indication to Sorian (or myself) being scum. It's 4 posts if you count your read list that had nothing but you 'gut' reads.
 

Darryl

Banned
Each and every quote I pulled from you is linked and whoever reads it can get their own context as well as my opinion.

The meaning you are getting out of some of those posts is just false, though. It isn't even open to interpretation, you're reading them wrong and you won't even try to reel back and explain why you're being so evasive about it.
 

Fat4all

Banned
The meaning you are getting out of some of those posts is just false, though. It isn't even open to interpretation, you're reading them wrong and you won't even try to reel back and explain why you're being so evasive about it.

The meaning is in the context, it's my opinion of how you've played the game.

I'm sorry if you think I've read you wrong, but nothing you've said so far has pushed me away from voting for you.

Also, I'd like to ask how I'm being evasive?
 

Sorian

Banned
My meta read around how Sorian would handle being called out while scum. Town Sorian would get heated and confront me because they would have nothing to hide. Scum sorian would passively throw shade through his scum mate, which is why I thought to look at Fat4all's post and see if they attempted to build a take-down without actually reading my posts

You mean how I'm now on my 4th attempt at trying to engage you and you've ignored me every single time while answering Fat within minutes?

I have confronted you, not engaging and then somehow throwing the shade at me for being the passive one is new levels of fuckery.
 
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