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Love Boat 2 [Mafia] |OT| Electric Boogalove

Darryl

Banned
before my critic



after my critic

I find it odd that you are claiming I'm not "reading" your posts when it pretty blatant you don't seem to be reading mine.

Like why would I even consider that metric as valid? "Before your critic"? Do you think I'm defending myself? I'm trying to persuade people into voting for you. I want you lynched. I'm not defending myself, these posts are following the same line of thinking as the other ones. When I saw you attempt to engage me I was glad that I had an opportunity to put scrutiny on you guys in front of an audience without deflection
 

Sorian

Banned
I'm on mobile so not bothering to check who is first on the pair right now.

VOTE: Darryl

While mildly OMGUS, still a scum read and maybe you'll actually listen if the post has highlight tags.
 

Darryl

Banned
You mean how I'm now on my 4th attempt at trying to engage you and you've ignored me every single time while answering Fat within minutes?

I have confronted you, not engaging and then somehow throwing the shade at me for being the passive one is new levels of fuckery.

Like, what do I even respond to this with?

Is this the new tactic? Come in with loaded questions and only engage half the boat?

How about I hope your boat sinks and if I have to engage the other half who is throwing themselves in front of the guillotine then I will sink that half
 

Sorian

Banned
#659
#666
#1006
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#1338
#1340

3 posts!

As you say below, you are trying to persuade people into voting for us.

Like why would I even consider that metric as valid? "Before your critic"? Do you think I'm defending myself? I'm trying to persuade people into voting for you. I want you lynched. I'm not defending myself, these posts are following the same line of thinking as the other ones. When I saw you attempt to engage me I was glad that I had an opportunity to put scrutiny on you guys in front of an audience without deflection

By openly lying I guess? Since you like loaded questions, why should people not vote for something so obviously deceptive?
 

Sorian

Banned
Like, what do I even respond to this with?



How about I hope your boat sinks and if I have to engage the other half who is throwing themselves in front of the guillotine then I will sink that half

No, you've identified a strong player with a weaker partner and your plan of attack is to drown the weak end. It is clear you hope my vote sinks but the forest was lost for the trees, you aren't even pretending it's got scum reasons anymore, you're just thrashing and seeing what sticks.
 

Fat4all

Banned
Like why would I even consider that metric as valid? "Before your critic"? Do you think I'm defending myself? I'm trying to persuade people into voting for you. I want you lynched. I'm not defending myself, these posts are following the same line of thinking as the other ones. When I saw you attempt to engage me I was glad that I had an opportunity to put scrutiny on you guys in front of an audience without deflection

So you wanted to wait until either one of us engaged you before deciding to go whole hog against us?

Can't say I find that particularly believable, but whatev's, you do you.
 

nin1000

Banned
I am back.
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Will just join the storm and see what will come out of it.
No excuses lot of work lada lada.
Does not matter now as I will just join the discussion my lover has been having with Dorian and fat4all.

I am loving it.
I am not sure as why they are overreacting like that but then again Darylls nose has been known to be a good one.

Sorian, try to talk to me then
 

Xbro

Member
Like why would I even consider that metric as valid? "Before your critic"? Do you think I'm defending myself? I'm trying to persuade people into voting for you. I want you lynched. I'm not defending myself, these posts are following the same line of thinking as the other ones. When I saw you attempt to engage me I was glad that I had an opportunity to put scrutiny on you guys in front of an audience without deflection

Why wouldn't that metric be valid in this context? He's literally saying that you weren't on the subject until he brought it up.
 

Darryl

Banned
As you say below, you are trying to persuade people into voting for us.



By openly lying I guess? Since you like loaded questions, why should people not vote for something so obviously deceptive?

I'm not trying to deceive anyone. I'm trying to win. You and Fat4all are clearly the greatest targets that I can find on day #1.

I don't like how you twice now deflected my arguments against you, even going so far as to pointing out how what you were doing was even scummier than I thought, yet not arguing against it.

I don't like how Fat4all attempted to build an argument against me using incredibly deceptive arguments. He said that I wasn't attempting to scum hunt even though I posted 20 minutes later (a post that sourced 3 other posts, showing that I was putting the work in). He literally mis-read an entire post (he even brought in responses to that alleged post as additional evidence, even though he was reading it wrong. how??)

I was expecting you guys to reel back now if you weren't scum and just be honest. Either of you could be honest about the other player, but Fat4all insists that facts about my behavior are literally subject to contextual interpretation. It's such an absurd argument to bring into this game - it's like an argument a flat-earther would use.
 

Sorian

Banned
I am back.
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Will just join the storm and see what will come out of it.
No excuses lot of work lada lada.
Does not matter now as I will just join the discussion my lover has been having with Dorian and fat4all.

I am loving it.
I am not sure as why they are overreacting like that but then again Darylls nose has been known to be a good one.

Sorian, try to talk to me then

Overreacting by calling Darryl out? Must be a day that ends in Y.
 

kingkitty

Member
still working on this read list thing (between some slight drinking and tv this might get posted after midnight but it will be posted!), but here are some thoughts on what occurred in the past few pages:

Is there another shoe to drop from Kark or was the gambit basically to be a bit less active than what was usually expected of him? and then followed by post count analysis? That's not to say there can't be interesting discussion over how scum pairs might have 1 or 2 take most of the posting burden, while others sleep in the shadows. But I'm not sure it's really worth calling a gambit. Worst hype letdown since La La Land.

On this Darryl thing, seems fat4all and Sorian are on the same page towards him. I haven't done a read on the Darryl pair yet but what I can say is I think it'd be weird if Darrylnin and fat4ian were on the same scum team. Would seem pretty unnecessary.
 

Darryl

Banned
Why wouldn't that metric be valid in this context? He's literally saying that you weren't on the subject until he brought it up.

Like, you have to look at where the argument began. This is how it started:

This is false. Nearly every post that I've made in this thread has had the same theme and followed the same line of thinking, which is that you and Sorian are scum and the evidence has consistently mounted.

I am clearly referencing the entire set of posts that I've made including the recent ones. Fat4all moved in on my argument, then they created an arbitrary metric ("before critic" and "after critic") to prove it false. It's completely insane - it's ludicrous. This is actively deceptive to everyone reading.
 

Sorian

Banned
I'm not trying to deceive anyone. I'm trying to win. You and Fat4all are clearly the greatest targets that I can find on day #1.

I don't like how you twice now deflected my arguments against you, even going so far as to pointing out how what you were doing was even scummier than I thought, yet not arguing against it.

I don't like how Fat4all attempted to build an argument against me using incredibly deceptive arguments. He said that I wasn't attempting to scum hunt even though I posted 20 minutes later (a post that sourced 3 other posts, showing that I was putting the work in). He literally mis-read an entire post (he even brought in responses to that alleged post as additional evidence, even though he was reading it wrong. how??)

I was expecting you guys to reel back now if you weren't scum and just be honest. Either of you could be honest about the other player, but Fat4all insists that facts about my behavior are literally subject to contextual interpretation. It's such an absurd argument to bring into this game - it's like an argument a flat-earther would use.

What was scummier, that I moved my vote off Ouro? Yeah, nothing to really deflect from there. I'm not purposely putting myself in a tunnel like you are.

Also, obviously your behavior in a game of mafia is subject to context. Why would anyone take your word for it?

Also, again, you aren't scum hunting, you are trying to "win" a lynch,
 

Sorian

Banned
Like, you have to look at where the argument began. This is how it started:



I am clearly referencing the entire set of posts that I've made including the recent ones. Fat4all moved in on my argument, then they created an arbitrary metric ("before critic" and "after critic") to prove it false. It's completely insane - it's ludicrous. This is actively deceptive to everyone reading.

But not nearly every post was about us. You had like 15 before this whole show started and there were 3 posts about me or Fat before then, that's what he's pointing out.
 

Darryl

Banned
But not nearly every post was about us. You had like 15 before this whole show started and there were 3 posts about me or Fat before then, that's what he's pointing out.

I get what you're saying. We splintered off and started both arguing about different things. That is a low-grade semantics argument. It doesn't change the worthy argument. I honestly don't believe Fat4all believed his own argument here:

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IMO, he clearly went through the search function, grabbed all of my posts, and attempted to string them together into an argument. It is the only thing that explains a repeat lack of context in his posts and this doesn't look like a town play.

Also, obviously your behavior in a game of mafia is subject to context. Why would anyone take your word for it?

Yea, his own personal context. Like who believes that your personal context matters? I can't tell you this post you just written was about trying to lynch Xbro even if I believed it was. Fat4all believes he can just make up the meaning behind posts.
 

Fat4all

Banned
IMO, he clearly went through the search function, grabbed all of my posts, and attempted to string them together into an argument.

Of course that's what I did, why is that a negative?

I saw a few questionable posts, brought up all you're posts to read, and made a my theory to why you are scum leaning.
 

Sorian

Banned
I get what you're saying. We splintered off and started both arguing about different things. That is a low-grade semantics argument. It doesn't change the worthy argument. I honestly don't believe Fat4all believed his own argument here:

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IMO, he clearly went through the search function, grabbed all of my posts, and attempted to string them together into an argument. It is the only thing that explains a repeat lack of context in his posts and this doesn't look like a town play.



Yea, his own personal context. Like who believes that your personal context matters? I can't tell you this post you just written was about trying to lynch Xbro even if I believed it was. Fat4all believes he can just make up the meaning behind posts.

I mean, that's exactly what he did. It was my intention if I hadn't fallen asleep for a bit. If nothing else, all of your posts at least have substance and with your ISO being less than a page, tossing everything together to analyze makes the most sense.

I still counter the second point with my same point. How else do you play mafia? Like what am I even reading? Obviously Fat's read on you is going to be based on the context he seesz
 

Darryl

Banned
Of course that's what I did, why is that a negative?

I saw a few questionable posts, brought up all you're posts to read, and made a my theory to why you are scum leaning.

I don't think I have ever gone through someone's post history and grabbed them all and stripped them of context and tried to frame an argument against someone with multiple misunderstandings about the heart of those posts and their intent without being a scum player with an agenda but ok

If you didn't have enough scum-feels on me built from memory and had to literally force yourself to see scum in the tea leaves by isolating posts, why would you present this to town like it's a revelation?
 

Fat4all

Banned
I don't think I have ever gone through someone's post history and grabbed them all and stripped them of context and tried to frame an argument against someone with multiple misunderstandings about the heart of those posts and their intent without being a scum player with an agenda but ok

If you didn't have enough scum-feels on me built from memory and had to literally force yourself to see scum in the tea leaves by isolating posts, why would you present this to town like it's a revelation?

Am I dreaming right now?

Is this a prank?
 

Sorian

Banned
I don't think I have ever gone through someone's post history and grabbed them all and stripped them of context and tried to frame an argument against someone with multiple misunderstandings about the heart of those posts and their intent without being a scum player with an agenda but ok

If you didn't have enough scum-feels on me built from memory and had to literally force yourself to see scum in the tea leaves by isolating posts, why would you present this to town like it's a revelation?

Because I've been talking about you in chat for awhile. You haven't really been on his radar at all until a couple hours ago.
 

Darryl

Banned
I don't like sorian's post but i can't imagine going through his history right now, grabbing them all, framing them all as being scum posts even if they don't appear to be, and then shoving that in town's face like that's how we win games. That's not how you win games.

Yet you guys are sitting here and Sorian is straight up voting for me just because i'm not happy with this. Why would I not be happy with this? Why would anyone be happy with someone doing that? Is that a scum read now? It's not, but it is scummy how disingenuous you guys are about the whole thing
 

Fat4all

Banned
I don't like sorian's post but i can't imagine going through his history right now, grabbing them all, framing them all as being scum posts even if they don't appear to be, and then shoving that in town's face like that's how we win games. That's not how you win games.

Yet you guys are sitting here and Sorian is straight up voting for me just because i'm not happy with this. Why would I not be happy with this? Why would anyone be happy with someone doing that? Is that a scum read now? It's not, but it is scummy how disingenuous you guys are about the whole thing

this can't be real

this is a dream I know it
 

Sophia

Member
I don't think I have ever gone through someone's post history and grabbed them all and stripped them of context and tried to frame an argument against someone with multiple misunderstandings about the heart of those posts and their intent without being a scum player with an agenda but ok

*blinks*

Going through one's post history and looking at the details behind them is basically my primary MO as a player, and I've always been town. : \
 

Darryl

Banned
Yea okay. Every new post I make I get two quick posts by you jackals trying to cover your tracks with drippy snark. Fat4all isn't even shamed by this

Am I dreaming right now?

Is this a prank?

I'll let other people read and comment on it. I said what I wanted to say, and I seriously hope we lynch you guys today.
 

Sorian

Banned
I don't like sorian's post but i can't imagine going through his history right now, grabbing them all, framing them all as being scum posts even if they don't appear to be, and then shoving that in town's face like that's how we win games. That's not how you win games.

Yet you guys are sitting here and Sorian is straight up voting for me just because i'm not happy with this. Why would I not be happy with this? Why would anyone be happy with someone doing that? Is that a scum read now? It's not, but it is scummy how disingenuous you guys are about the whole thing

Yeah, but you had like 15 posts and again, none were shit posts. Obviously you aren't going to quote my whole post history.
 

Darryl

Banned
*blinks*

Going through one's post history and looking at the details behind them is basically my primary MO as a player, and I've always been town. : \

I always look at everyone's posts. I attempt to understand the context that the post was made in, though. Why would a town player not try to understand the context to see if someone is really scum? I only strip them of context when I'm scum and I know that I can make the arguments against someone faster than they can tear them apart. Fat4all very obviously went through and strung the posts together without context. If you're just jumping into this, go back and read what I'm talking about.
 

Sorian

Banned
And sorry, hit post early, I'm voting for you because you refused to engage me, that seemed to change quick, I wonder why.
 

Darryl

Banned
And sorry, hit post early, I'm voting for you because you refused to engage me, that seemed to change quick, I wonder why.

I have to engage you because half the posts on this page are from you and you're trying to win this argument through attrition and sarcasm.
 

Fat4all

Banned
I always look at everyone's posts. I attempt to understand the context that the post was made in, though. Why would a town player not try to understand the context to see if someone is really scum? I only strip them of context when I'm scum and I know that I can make the arguments against someone faster than they can tear them apart. Fat4all very obviously went through and strung the posts together without context. If you're just jumping into this, go back and read what I'm talking about.

My post is very similar to a previous post Sophia made against me.

Neutral on Sorian. I was reading back through the Kitsune/Dragonz stuff as I remember Sorian had a lot to say, but nothing particularly stuck out at the moment. Still going through it tho.

As for Fat, I'm a bit more negative. I've looked over Fat's posts up to #636, and there wasn't a whole lot of good stuff. Lots of shitposting, but more then that he's tackled very easy subjects. For example:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245130294&postcount=154 - Reply on Ouro early on
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245136321&postcount=207 - Nomadic's no lynch
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245142618&postcount=278 - Nin's post on about how people view pairings.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245159076&postcount=345 - Comments on Kitsunelaine's self-preservation
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245235165&postcount=516 - More on Nomadic and his no lynch
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245240196&postcount=555 - A read on the "PLEASE NOTICE ME SENPAI" post
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245242422&postcount=579 - Asks for Fireblend about Dragonz/Kitsune...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245250273&postcount=616 - Comes back with a small followup.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245252514&postcount=636 - Some small talk about lovers chat.

Lot of shitposting in between those too

I need to go over his newer posts, but up until there he's been pretty passive and not tackling hard subjects. Not a whole lot of hard stances.

My partner feels confident about it, and I haven't seen anything that makes me object to his vote right now, so...

only instead of using full quotes, they used links
 

Darryl

Banned
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Hey guys, going through people's post histories and re-contextualizing their posts to appear scummy and remove them from context is very town-like. This is how a town player would behave who is trying to find scum. Look at my drippy modern sarcasm and gif reactions.
 

Dr. Worm

Banned
This, to me, feels like a bizarre work around into voting for Sorian, as both Sophia and Sorian say directly after:

if Darryl is scum, why does he need to do this?

it's not like voting for your boat was the most popular move to make, and I'm doubt he thinks you're just an easy target (though I don't know whether or not you in particular have history with him)

and if he just wants you out of the game, there's an NK for that, and I don't know about the rest of us, but I probably wouldn't doc you N1 given today
 

Sophia

Member
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Hey guys, going through people's post histories and re-contextualizing their posts to appear scummy and remove them from context is very town-like. This is how a town player would behave who is trying to find scum. Look at my drippy modern sarcasm and gif reactions.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to make of given that post. The post that Fat4all quoted did seem like it came out of nowhere at the time you made it. Nevermind the fact that now you're taking his post out of context because he addressed the post to Sorian right after that too, and how you didn't really follow up on it. Which is consistent with what he said about "scum hunting without actually scum hunting"
 

Fat4all

Banned
if Darryl is scum, why does he need to do this?

it's not like voting for your boat was the most popular move to make, and I'm doubt he thinks you're just an easy target (though I don't know whether or not you in particular have history with him)

and if he just wants you out of the game, there's an NK for that, and I don't know about the rest of us, but I probably wouldn't doc you N1 given today

Of course the NK is always an option, but it would be suspicious for a scum to go after no one at all in the day phase. It's put them under scrutiny the next day at the very least.
 

Natiko

Banned
Of course that's what I did, why is that a negative?

I saw a few questionable posts, brought up all you're posts to read, and made a my theory to why you are scum leaning.
Am I misreading this or is Fat admitting that he went into this read purposefully looking to build a case that resulted in Darryl being scum?
 

Fat4all

Banned
Am I misreading this or is Fat admitting that he went into this read purposefully looking to build a case that resulted in Darryl being scum?

My theory came from looking at their post history, I didn't go into their posts to make them look like scum.
 

Sophia

Member
Am I misreading this or is Fat admitting that he went into this read purposefully looking to build a case that resulted in Darryl being scum?

I think you're misreading it? He's just saying he saw some questionable posts of Darryl's and went to look into it more. Then proposed what he had found.
 

Dr. Worm

Banned
Of course the NK is always an option, but it would be suspicious for a scum to go after no one at all in the day phase. It's put them under scrutiny the next day at the very least.

right, but then why does he need to stretch himself to go after you, in that case? there's plenty of easier scumreads to make.

or he could've just tossed a scumread without voting, and let the vote come later. why does scum!Darryl need to take a path of more resistance here, instead of offering a scumread that seems more justified?
 

Darryl

Banned
I'm not really sure what you're trying to make of given that post. The post that Fat4all quoted did seem like it came out of nowhere at the time you made it. Nevermind the fact that now you're taking his post out of context because he addressed the post to Sorian right after that too, and how you didn't really follow up on it. Which is consistent with what he said about "scum hunting without actually scum hunting"

I mean, look at the post. It's pretty clear that I posted that, then sat in the thread for 20 minutes trying to find a read and settled on vote shenanigans with Sorian (look at my original post, it was immediately followed by a vote count which I followed up on). If they wanted to make the argument that I didn't follow up on it, fine. However, I think it is clear in the way they framed their argument that they were accusing me of something else and it's evidenced by the long post and how many tangents are brought into it.

Am I misreading this or is Fat admitting that he went into this read purposefully looking to build a case that resulted in Darryl being scum?

This is literally how I'm reading his post and how it came across to me given the argument we were having. That it's okay to be disingenuous to present a theory
 

Natiko

Banned
My theory came from looking at their post history, I didn't go into their posts to make them look like scum.

I think you're misreading it? He's just saying he saw some questionable posts of Darryl's and went to look into it more. Then proposed what he had found.
Okay, just wanted to check. I think the end phrasing of "why you are scum leaning" threw me off. In my head I kept reading it as he was already scum leaning darryl and went in to make a theory to validate it.
 

Fat4all

Banned
right, but then why does he need to stretch himself to go after you, in that case? there's plenty of easier scumreads to make.

Their justification for originally towards Sorian seemed like a softball vote to begin with. First described by finding it strange that Sorian was confident in their Town read of Samurai, and then later described as a "gut read" in their list or scum/town.

Why they are going so hard after me specifically now is another question entirely, which I'm not even so sure about.
 

Fat4all

Banned
Okay, just wanted to check. I think the end phrasing of "why you are scum leaning" threw me off. In my head I kept reading it as he was already scum leaning darryl and went in to make a theory to validate it.

yeah, I shoulda phrased it a bit better
 

Sorian

Banned
right, but then why does he need to stretch himself to go after you, in that case? there's plenty of easier scumreads to make.

or he could've just tossed a scumread without voting, and let the vote come later. why does scum!Darryl need to take a path of more resistance here, instead of offering a scumread that seems more justified?

Why does scum need to do anything? Darryl is known for being aggressive in most games, this isn't actually odd for him.
 

Sophia

Member
I mean, look at the post. It's pretty clear that I posted that, then sat in the thread for 20 minutes trying to find a read and settled on vote shenanigans with Sorian (look at my original post, it was immediately followed by a vote count which I followed up on). If they wanted to make the argument that I didn't follow up on it, fine. However, I think it is clear in the way they framed their argument that they were accusing me of something else and it's evidenced by the long post and how many tangents are brought into it.

I got the impression that Fat's intention was to show you weren't scum hunting. That is, you were looking for people to fill in the details instead of figuring it out yourself. When you did try to pseudo scum hunt (because nobody took to the questions to proposed), and you got called out for you "bad analyst" by Sorian, you didn't follow up on it. He makes note of the fact that you ignored and/or didn't follow up a lot of the time in there.

Not saying I agree with Fat here, yet. I'm skeptical of him suddenly coming in after not being very impressed with him. And I'm trying to be wary to not do his dirty work and fill in the details for him. But his initial argument made sense to me when I read it.
 

Darryl

Banned
Anyone else suspicious about how quiet people are? This is the most narrow minded the chat has been yet. Quietness when the crosshairs are on a scum is pretty normal. Lynch Sorian/Fat4all
 
Anyone else suspicious about how quiet people are? This is the most narrow minded the chat has been yet. Quietness when the crosshairs are on a scum is pretty normal. Lynch Sorian/Fat4all

I'm reminded of the quiet that happens when town is about to miss actually.

But then again, it usually goes either way.
 

Darryl

Banned
I got the impression that Fat's intention was to show you weren't scum hunting. That is, you were looking for people to fill in the details instead of figuring it out yourself. When you did try to pseudo scum hunt (because nobody took to the questions to proposed), and you got called out for you "bad analyst" by Sorian, you didn't follow up on it. He makes note of the fact that you ignored and/or didn't follow up a lot of the time in there.

Not saying I agree with Fat here, yet. I'm skeptical of him suddenly coming in after not being very impressed with him. And I'm trying to be wary to not do his dirty work and fill in the details for him. But his initial argument made sense to me when I read it.

It wasn't even the only time they misread my posts tho. Ty4on corrected them in post #1305 for something else they misread in the same post (that I didn't even catch at first) and they haven't followed up on it. I'm really struggling to see a scenario where Fat made that post and wasn't intentionally being deceptive or pushing an agenda, and it's only further driven home by how flippantly they post stuff like this given the line of thinking I'm chasing

Of course that's what I did, why is that a negative?

I saw a few questionable posts, brought up all you're posts to read, and made a my theory to why you are scum leaning.

Sounds like someone letting stuff slip via angry posting, having become intent that they now run the narrative
 
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