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Mafia 3, nine months later
- Thread starter dex3108
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So one scene where performance isn't good = the entire game runs poorly?
Performance isn't outstanding and could be improved, but I get near 60fps (57-58fps) very consistently with worse hardware (GTX 780), and on above minimum settings (1080p, high geometry, medium shadows). Implying that one scene is representative of the entire game is unfair.
dr_rus
Member
Performance is fine if you have a good CPU and enough RAM. Graphics quality may be a bit on the lower side though considering its performance.
No, the whole game runs badly = the entire game runs poorly.
i7 at 5ghz, GTX1080 and 32 GB and the game falls to 40 fps at 1920x1080. I have to tone down distance/lod to medium, shadows to medium and ambient occlusion to low for framerate only falls into 50 fps. And then to play at 1920x1080@50 hz to avoid stutters.
You can love the characters, the music, the city and so on. The game runs really bad.
EDIT: When I talk about framerates, I mean minimum framerate, not average.
dr_rus
Member
Somewhat of the same config here, and while there are certainly some stutters down to whatever (20-30-40 probably) the game is mostly running at 50-70 fps here in 2560x1600 with everything at max and AA at low (because it blurs too much on high). In fact, I've played through it with (adaptive) vsync engaged as it was able to hold 60 most of the time. What i7 do you have? Judging form the overclock it's a quadcore I take it?
Yes, 2700K HT on (4C/8T). But tests on a 7700K with another GTX1080 didn't show great improvement over that.
Framerate problems are present mainly in intersections when driving.
Anyway, you said
and that's not acceptable imo. I need locked framerates and in this game I need to set graphics to medium and play a 1080p50. It can not be said it's an example of good optimization. I can play Ghost Recon Wildlands at locked 60 fps downsampled and it looks way way better with more everything.
dr_rus
Member
Well, I would expect Sandy Bridge i7 to be on the breaking point in Mafia 3 as it tend to load ~35-40% of my 6850K which means that it will probably be close to 60% on a modern Skylake/KabyLake i7 which in turn is about 30-50% faster per core than Sandy Bridge - so you're likely to be hitting 100% CPU usage there too often, especially in 1080p which would explain your performance.
Such stutters are pretty much a normal thing in open world games, whether caused by loading or world sim. Mafia 3 could be better optimized, that's for certain, but I can't say that it runs significantly worse than any of the open world games released during the last year or so. The only thing where it seems to be very heavy in comparison is CPU usage.
Mmmm, no.
Games I can play at locked 60 fps:
GTA V
Shadow of Mordor although there are no cars..
The Witcher 3 for the firsts hours at least. I can't say after that because I need to play more.
Wildlands, even on helicopter. At least in the three first hours I played.
Sleeping dogs
Watch Dogs, using my mod
Just Cause 3
Mafia 2
The Division
Mad Max
Homefront The Revolution
so, is not pretty much a normal thing.
Kevin Shields
Member
Got deluxe edition and restarting now. Really wish there were hud options on ps4
Only good thing about this game is the story and the gunplay. Missions are far too repetitive. Vehicle handling is far too poor and the lack of damage to cars is a big disappointment. Vehicle sounds are also very poor. I can't really immerse myself in the game because of the driving and most of all the poor AI. Not to mention that nothing ever happens in the city. The way civilians act is just a joke. Not to mention the cops. Never have I been pulled over for speeding or nearly hitting people while driving. Racism was supposed to be a big part of the game if I don't remember wrong, but I don't experience it through anything else than random voice lines. In all it's seriousness it's too goofy. Calling in the arms dealer for example. It's too shallow as a whole and that ruins the atmosphere.
Also. The shaders must be some of the worst ones I've ever seen. Every car looking like ultra shiny plastic didn't help.
I really wish it had the weight that's missing. Be it ragdoll physics that doesn't completely deactivate when you've killed or knocked someone out, a better hand to hand combat system, consequences for your actions, less repetitive missions, good AI, proper vehicle handling with detailed damage systems etc.
Turned into a long rant, but I really do want to like this game, but I can't because of the missed potential.
Also. The shaders must be some of the worst ones I've ever seen. Every car looking like ultra shiny plastic didn't help.
I really wish it had the weight that's missing. Be it ragdoll physics that doesn't completely deactivate when you've killed or knocked someone out, a better hand to hand combat system, consequences for your actions, less repetitive missions, good AI, proper vehicle handling with detailed damage systems etc.
Turned into a long rant, but I really do want to like this game, but I can't because of the missed potential.
SilentRage47
Member
Storyline and atmosphere are top notch,one of my favorite game from last year.
holygeesus
Banned
I didn't have any stuttering in Mafia 3 on my PC play through. 6700k/980ti/32GB Ram off of a SSD. If I recall one of the graphics settings caused issues though, which maybe why you are seeing such things. I think it might have been AA. It tanked frame rates and blurred the image.
Consider this was just after launch though and I have no idea how subsequent patches have impacted on performance so obviously YMMV.
Playing on a PS4 now and there is a lot to be said for not having to worry about tweaking (albeit with dat 30fps)
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Fantastic game with open world issues. Story, acting, and gunplay are all great, they just needed to figure out the open world more, or get rid of it.
Less than 60 fps in 60 hz has stutters because of the desynced framerate.
This is a 6850K (way better cpu than your 6700K) without driving at fast speed and he can't maintain 60 fps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrz3fn6nppg&t=4m11s
Take a look what kind of graphic settings he has to set to have 60 fps at 1080p (he started at 720p)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvZYjW_RaeI&t=1m24s
A 6700k and GTX1080 going under 60 fps at 1080p only walking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a8pEnnBcQQ&t=2m59s
tearsintherain
Member
I plat'd the game last month and really enjoyed it, but yeah after the first 5-8 hours the game really, really, really bogs down with Ubisoft style "go into zone... do same 2 or 3 style missions... attack underboss... rinse repeat until semi-boss..." and its a bit mind numbing how many they put in.
Its even worse because for the plat you need to run the game twice, once killing all the bosses and a second time letting them live and work for you. Nothing at all changes about the game really either, so its a bit disappointing.
Really enjoyed the DLCs too, they were pretty short but meaty and fun. Haven't yet run the final one which came out last week though I've heard its the best one.
The game regularly drops to $19.99 at best buy, gamestop, amazon, etc so can wait for a sale and enjoy a 30-40 hour story game. PC is obviously the best version especially with mods (driving to the bayou constantly SUCKS!) but I had zero problems running on PS4 Pro, good frames and visuals.
Its even worse because for the plat you need to run the game twice, once killing all the bosses and a second time letting them live and work for you. Nothing at all changes about the game really either, so its a bit disappointing.
Really enjoyed the DLCs too, they were pretty short but meaty and fun. Haven't yet run the final one which came out last week though I've heard its the best one.
The game regularly drops to $19.99 at best buy, gamestop, amazon, etc so can wait for a sale and enjoy a 30-40 hour story game. PC is obviously the best version especially with mods (driving to the bayou constantly SUCKS!) but I had zero problems running on PS4 Pro, good frames and visuals.
holygeesus
Banned
I don't know what to say. As I said, it was fine for me. I'm not that concerned either way as I don't even have my gaming PC any more, as I'm console exclusive. It wasn't a dog though performance-wise, and I certainly had no stutters when driving.
I loved the game, and it'll definitely be in my favorite games of this generation. What Hangar 13 really attempted with the narrative, characterization and time period is pretty damn astounding. I think the character of Lincoln Clay being a black man in the 60s during the Civil Rights era dismantling the White Italian Mob was absolutely refreshing. Donovan, Roxy, Marcano – these are names I will not forget. The story was a brutal tale of vengeance, set in the beauty of New Bordeaux.
I think the team created the strongest shooting and driving mechanics in the open world TPS genre. The arsenal of guns felt plentiful, and the shooting mechanics felt chunky and beautiful. When they added slo-motion in the newest update, every shot fired became a chaotic bullet ballet – that truly allowed you to appreciate the spectacle of it all. The simulation driving setting allowed for classes to exist distinctly and they nailed the handling of the muscle cars of the era. The races that they added and the customization for the vehicles made the game so much more personal. Burke's delivery service was such a beautiful tool too, and made driving feel accessible at any moment.
The game's story and opening will probably be highly regarded as it ages. But it is the structure and pacing of how the game was handled that will ultimately cement it as a mediocre affair to most. Unlocking story missions felt like a chore for most players – the idea of presenting a beautiful set piece to advance the game but locking it behind city takeover mechanics for each district proved repetitive and tiring. I attacked the map takeover one district at a time and took breaks in my ascent, because it's apparent that the game had a lot to digest. And unfortunately, a lot of these activities, felt simple and mundane – blowing up something, killing someone, clearing out an area only to revisit it for a mandatory recruit/kill underboss mission- it could feel plenty uninspired. As the game's pacing flaws were exposed, taking over the city methodically felt like major busywork – similar to the pitfalls of the Godfather and Scarface games before it. And each major shootout felt a bit like a relief, because the atmosphere and narrative felt all encompassing in the best of ways; ways in which simple map tasks or repetitive side missions did not. I took it very slow, and I enjoyed the moment to moment gameplay so much that it carried me through the end. Most didn't make it, or felt like they were forcing themselves to trudge along.
I also think the DLCs really showcase Hangar 13 at their best – self-contained chapters, rolling in at breakneck speed, full of fun little mission moments to help usher the story along. I wish Roxy was included for more of the game, and the Donovan chapters/ Sign of the Times were absolutely wonderful additions to the game. The dev support and updates for free content, outfits, races, customization, etc. was amazing.
I loved a lot of it. I hope they get to continue on working on the franchise, and let us know what happened to some key characters. Some of the best gunplay/driving around.
I think the team created the strongest shooting and driving mechanics in the open world TPS genre. The arsenal of guns felt plentiful, and the shooting mechanics felt chunky and beautiful. When they added slo-motion in the newest update, every shot fired became a chaotic bullet ballet – that truly allowed you to appreciate the spectacle of it all. The simulation driving setting allowed for classes to exist distinctly and they nailed the handling of the muscle cars of the era. The races that they added and the customization for the vehicles made the game so much more personal. Burke's delivery service was such a beautiful tool too, and made driving feel accessible at any moment.
The game's story and opening will probably be highly regarded as it ages. But it is the structure and pacing of how the game was handled that will ultimately cement it as a mediocre affair to most. Unlocking story missions felt like a chore for most players – the idea of presenting a beautiful set piece to advance the game but locking it behind city takeover mechanics for each district proved repetitive and tiring. I attacked the map takeover one district at a time and took breaks in my ascent, because it's apparent that the game had a lot to digest. And unfortunately, a lot of these activities, felt simple and mundane – blowing up something, killing someone, clearing out an area only to revisit it for a mandatory recruit/kill underboss mission- it could feel plenty uninspired. As the game's pacing flaws were exposed, taking over the city methodically felt like major busywork – similar to the pitfalls of the Godfather and Scarface games before it. And each major shootout felt a bit like a relief, because the atmosphere and narrative felt all encompassing in the best of ways; ways in which simple map tasks or repetitive side missions did not. I took it very slow, and I enjoyed the moment to moment gameplay so much that it carried me through the end. Most didn't make it, or felt like they were forcing themselves to trudge along.
I also think the DLCs really showcase Hangar 13 at their best – self-contained chapters, rolling in at breakneck speed, full of fun little mission moments to help usher the story along. I wish Roxy was included for more of the game, and the Donovan chapters/ Sign of the Times were absolutely wonderful additions to the game. The dev support and updates for free content, outfits, races, customization, etc. was amazing.
I loved a lot of it. I hope they get to continue on working on the franchise, and let us know what happened to some key characters. Some of the best gunplay/driving around.
Mossybrew
Member
I'm still working my way slowly through the main game and I quite enjoy it, I find it a great game to play in bite size chunks. I put in a few hours a week and don't really feel a problem with the repetitive structure of the missions, but I can easily see if you were just focusing on beating the game it would start to wear you down.
It's ok to have different sensitivities. You've said you're enjoying the game in console at 30 fps. My son has a PS4Pro and he plays usually Overwatch or other 60 fps games but the console included Horizon and neither of us can take more than a few minutes before we start to get dizzy.
Delusibeta
Banned
As of the last quarterly report, 2K reported a combined shipped physical discs + digital sales figure of 5 million. The problems are a) they also reported the same 5 million figure the previous quarterly report, and b) 4.5 million of said shipped copies was shipped in the first week. 2K overshipped the stuffing out of this game, and I would be genuinely surprised if retailers got anywhere close to selling out that initial shipment.
Unsure if trolling, but if not you have had an easy life.
Game isn't the best for sure, but I think underrated and a solid 7/10. The gameplay, while did get repetitive at times, is still fluid and satisfying minute-to-minute. If having to replay some missions killing dudes with sweet weapons in cool settings = one of the worst games you have ever played in your life, I can't assume you have played much.
BinaryBear07
Member
I need to check this out. Does it have Pro support?
David Ricardo
Member
Yes, it does. Graphics are the best part imho.
Swimmer9800
Member
The first 2 hours were fantastic but the rest that followed was so menial I couldn't continue. Was a huge disappointment for me.
To be honest I have no idea as I've never used. I did mess about with the money script and that worked ok. In theory theres no reason why the less grinding mod wouldn't work as it just reduces the amount of damage you need to do before going for a sub boss so I don't see why not.
Kevin Shields
Member
This game is so close to classic its insane. Just got done with the first Vito mission and im really ready to immerse myself and give several hours to this game. When do the dlc missions open up?
SavoyPrime
Member
The story was damn good. That alone was worth the price of admission for me. I didn't run into too many technical issues, but also played the game back in June. Which was after quite a few patches.
holygeesus
Banned
After the first sit-down with your 3 underbosses when you assign the first part of New Bordeaux.
Are the DLCs integrated to the main game, or how does it work exactly?
Edit: @dex3108: thanks!
Also, the game is complete now as far as DLC goes, right? Or have the devs mentioned anything about continuing past the original season pass content? Been waiting for the right time to jump into the game.
They are integrated in main game. You will get them as icons on main map.
holygeesus
Banned
The DLC is great fun (so far at least, only played 2 of the 3) but it is massively overpriced IMO. I think it is what £25 here? I wouldn't pay that. I managed to get the mis-priced deluxe edition for £10 from Game, so it's not an issue here, but it still seems short for full price money.
What is it, like 8-10 hours of story missions? Most season passes are poor value except for Witcher 3's and Horizon 3.
Kevin Shields
Member
I just got done with two Vito rackets.
Gosh dang I can see where repitive comes in... so basically the whole game is taking out underbosses and bosses for like 7 districts? I sure hope the dlc makes the progression feel better.
I wish there were more car missions or boat missions instead of simply kill this person for whole game. Do the side mission stuff change at all throughout the game or have I seen everything so far?
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Deleted member 471617
Unconfirmed Member
More like 2-5 hours including the optional stuff like Herbalism in Faster Baby, Contracts in Stones Unturned and Renovating Sammy's Bar. I literally finished all three expansions 100% in a total of maybe 10 hours and 2 hours was doing the Herbalism and I had to wait for the percentage to hit 100%.
I would say that ALL DLC/Season Passes/Expansion Passes are around the 5 (average) to 7 (good) mark. The Witcher III expansions are thus far the lone example of being the best value in quality, quantity and monetary. I haven't played Forza Horizon 3's expansions yet since im currently playing FH2 so I can't comment on that.
The only expansion that I see being close to the level of The Witcher III will be Horizon Zero Dawn's The Frozen Wilds DLC but other than this, I never see any of this stuff be better than a 7/10 and that's pushing it.
Shame for Mafia III too because Faster Baby had a good overall cast of characters but it ends so quickly that none of them ever get developed or advanced in story line. It literally took me longer (3 hours) to complete the Herbalism 100% than it did the story missions (2 hours).
A Sign of the Times was the worst of the three in my opinion. Didn't like the story, no characters of any importance, not a fan of the detective stuff and was just over too quickly and simply never ever gets going. By far, the best thing in this expansion was Renovating Sammy's Bar but it would have been better if it was included after you completed the base game.
Stones Unturned was the best of the three but not by much. Loved the intro and opening mission. Loved the antagonist and the new area you visit but again, same main complaint is that it was way too short. Ends before it truly pulls you in.
Overall, for me the base game was an 8/10. Loved the story, characters, music, sound, voice acting, locale, immersion and atmosphere. Visuals were good. Gameplay was solid. Biggest complaint is that the game would have been better suited for a linear / open ended (ROTTR, Deus Ex: MD for example) game instead of open world.
Faster Baby was a 5/10 (average), A Sign of the Times was a 5/10 (average) and Stones Unturned was a 6/10 (above average) for me personally. If it wasn't for the fact that each expansion literally cost me only $5 each, I would have been pissed off.
To each their own but as someone who was fully into Mafia III pre-release and the season pass (bought the Deluxe Edition), the expansions were a disappointment and outside of the positives I listed for the base game, it just didn't hit the 9/10 for me that I thought for sure it would.
Can someone tell me when I get silenced weapons as a gift for a favor from burke or Cassandra?
I have all three first areas lit up and am doing side missions for them and have the money being paid to me and I have had the sit down meeting with all three that cia was monitoring,
Thanks can't wait to go pistol stealth
I have all three first areas lit up and am doing side missions for them and have the money being paid to me and I have had the sit down meeting with all three that cia was monitoring,
Thanks can't wait to go pistol stealth
DanielJr82
Member
I bought it on sale on the Xbox One and I have yet to play it. I think I'll get the season pass after reading the OP and play through the game. Thanks for the impressions OP.
semiconscious
Member
okay, it's official: hangar 13 are the greatest! 
...
it was only once i'd entered post-game all those months back that i realized i'd missed a vargas painting in the casino. well, turns out that, in post-game, you can no longer enter the office in the casino. went online, found out that this'd happened to others, & that we were all pretty much screwed...
well, here i am, months later, just starting in on the dlc, now that it's all been released, but, before i get going, just for the hell of it, i decide to drop by the casino. &, while you still can't get into that office, what do i see lying on the bar in front of the office entrance, but - the friggin' vargas painting!...
hangar 13! salud! ...
...it was only once i'd entered post-game all those months back that i realized i'd missed a vargas painting in the casino. well, turns out that, in post-game, you can no longer enter the office in the casino. went online, found out that this'd happened to others, & that we were all pretty much screwed...
well, here i am, months later, just starting in on the dlc, now that it's all been released, but, before i get going, just for the hell of it, i decide to drop by the casino. &, while you still can't get into that office, what do i see lying on the bar in front of the office entrance, but - the friggin' vargas painting!...
hangar 13! salud!
...
holygeesus
Banned
Holy hyperbole! ^^^
I played through the DLC and loved it so much I carried on and completed the game again. It's strange how 'marmite' a game it is.
I played through the DLC and loved it so much I carried on and completed the game again. It's strange how 'marmite' a game it is.