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Give me a reason why Darth Vader isn't the coolest villain ever

Mr-Joker

Banned
Because Vader is just a henchman with the true villain being the emperor who manipulated him into joining the urgh dark side.

There are better villain to pick from other movies, including children movies.
 
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RyanW

Member
That was only like a couple days before ANH right? I want to see him on a mission immediately after the transformation and he's super pissed off (since the dark side thrives on hatred). Like twenty years before ANH.

Read the new Darth Vader comic. Literally starts with the ending of RotS as he's getting his suit
 
Wait according to people's logic in this thread Palpatine is the better villain then? Am I reading this right??

No but Vader didn't really do all that much and was outsmarted by everyone. He was weak but not in an interesting way like Kylo. He has no character, no depth.

Prequel tried to add that stuff and horribly failed.
 
He was a errand boy and thought to be a hero because he realised his retirement was coming up since emperor wanted Luke and thought to bullshit a face turn.
 
Because Randall Flagg exists?

I don't know, Vader's cool and all, but all I can think of when he does something cool in the old movies is his whining in the prequels...
 
Wait according to people's logic in this thread Palpatine is the better villain then? Am I reading this right??

His characterization in the prequel trilogy, aided by a very able portrayal from Ian McDiarmid, make him a much better villain. Darth Vader is just the bogeyman, the Odd-job, the Zeppo.
 

Oberon

Banned
Seriously, none of the villains I see in movies today come close to how epic Darth Vader is. Even TROS's Darth Vader was kick-ass.

He even has a cool background, in that he was never "fully evil" and struggled to balance good and evil. And then there's his costume.

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Let's see
He was a bratty teenager who wanted more power. He got tricked by some old guy,
(for something he never got in the end). Then killed a bunch of kids and his own wife.
He was a part of an evil gouvermant which destroyed a whole planet, making him accomplice in genocide. But then he sacrificed himself to save his son and kill the evil emperor ( who betrayed him second earlier).

He looks and sounds cool, but comme on, he wasn't very deep.
 
He's just the emperor's lapdog. He wears a bucket on his head. The electronics of his suit look like a Playskool toy. Underneath the armor he is a pasty white fat middle-aged man. Leia isn't afraid of him at all and insults him to his face during the opening of the first movie. His lightsaber skills are debatable. He is a walking, talking cliche. I won't even touch the prequels.
 
This is in regards to the giant fucking terminal on the front of his torso:

"This system was so vulnerable that Antinnis Tremayne was once able to deactivate Vader's entire suit by pressing one button on his chest control plate."

That's why.
 
Darth Vader, is a cool villian amigo but the only reason why he isn't the coolest is because Thulsa Doom wins vs Darth Vader 3-0. That scene when Conan gets captured and Thulsa Doom was all "You're mind is your greatest weapon not your sword, now beat it kid! Think about it on the tree of woe."
 
Bad guys should be scary and intimidating, being cool should not be part of it. If you're "cool", you've already failed.

Being cool can totally be part of it. Not in the "totally rad" sunglasses and greaser hair type way, but there's more than one definition of cool. A badass voice, persona or design many would describe as "cool"
 

5taquitos

Member
his ship got knocked by han solo which basically directly resulted in them losing the death star

thats kind of a big fuckup considering he has the force and all

other than being menacing to rooms with a few people in them what exactly did he do most of the time
Vader's wingman/bodyguard knocked Vader's TIE out of the way so that he could take the hit.
 
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