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[norm9]

I feel like there's a high chance of turning someone violent when you get them fired from their jobs. Now not only are they angry, but they're poor and unable to get a job because of ANTIFA (or whomever). That gives them a clear target to attack and nothing else to do but stir in their angry and hate.

Not saying this is the case, but I'm not convinced this is a good thing to do.

Fuck em. They were angry and violent before. They won't learn anything anyways, so just the knowledge of them being unemployed even as part of the master race is good enough. Maybe nazi dude shows up to yell and scream and puts his hands on yhe wrong person and gets knocked the fuck out. Good.

 

[mjc]

Expose as many as possible from the rallies, make them feel the consequences of acting like an idiot in a civil society.

 

[Gnilres]

Which part?

So good.

 

[pigeon]

I feel like there's a high chance of turning someone violent when you get them fired from their jobs.

They're at a fucking Nazi rally. They're already violent.

I assume they'll just make racist GoFundMes and be fine.

 

[Red]

That picture is not helpful. No one sensible is calling for compromise between the KKK and black people (maybe Trump?), and "we want civil rights" is not an example of extreme left wing views. It represents anyone who is not far right—including moderates.

Anyone asking folks to compromise with Nazis is themselves far right. They are not moderate.

 

[mjp2417]

I feel like there's a high chance of turning someone violent when you get them fired from their jobs. Now not only are they angry, but they're poor and unable to get a job because of ANTIFA (or whomever). That gives them a clear target to attack and nothing else to do but stir in their angry and hate.

Not saying this is the case, but I'm not convinced this is a good thing to do.

Coddling nazism out of fear has never been the way to confront it.

 

[aeolist]

Voting 3rd party enables people like Trump. That's not a lie. He isn't going to ever get a unicorn candidate. He was also nonstop shitting on Democrats. Which hey is fine, many Democrats do need to have more sense slapped into them.

New Democrats, if he's crapping on them specifically, is fine by me. I agree with your assessment of them. But I just didn't see a lot of GOP shaming there. Maybe there is other stuff in other timelines of his.

maybe we should be mad at the people with power who failed to stop this shit from happening

maybe they should take some blame for unpopular white supremacists running our government

and since most of what i see from centrists on twitter right now is still crapping on the "alt-left" i think they can all go fuck themselves forever

 

[GoldenEye 007]

I feel like there's a high chance of turning someone violent when you get them fired from their jobs. Now not only are they angry, but they're poor and unable to get a job because of ANTIFA (or whomever). That gives them a clear target to attack and nothing else to do but stir in their angry and hate.

Not saying this is the case, but I'm not convinced this is a good thing to do.

They're already fucking Nazis.

 

[Gorillaz]

Next week, by the same organizers:

Nah

You can't pull that shit in some of these cities especially stuff up north like Philly or NYC. These places would implode instantly.

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

Nazism almost took over the world when it was the ideology of a dictatorship governing one of the world's most advanced militaries, not because a bunch of neckbeards threw a parade. This is not remotely close to being the case now. Trump is repugnant and his base is white-supremacists, but he is also wildly incompetent and presides over a party so deeply fractured it is incapable of governing. He is also historically unpopular.

You want to beat the Nazis? Beat. Them. At. The. Ballot. Box. Vigilante violence is not going to help you with that end.

The Nazis didn't start with concentration camps and the war in Europe. They started off with elections and demonisation of a religious group and a lot of meetings and marches. History lesson - These things don't happen over night.

 

[Frozenprince]

"What does a violent approach accomplish" says people too lazy to Google the various accomplishments of Malcolm X.

 

[And_Gignac]

Counting the people who turn up in these "Nazi rally/terrorist attack" threads just to fight about Democrats

Well, you got one less example for whatever pre conceived argument you wanted to prove. I have been participating in these threads since Friday.

 

[The Kree]

I feel like there's a high chance of turning someone violent when you get them fired from their jobs. Now not only are they angry, but they're poor and unable to get a job because of ANTIFA (or whomever). That gives them a clear target to attack and nothing else to do but stir in their angry and hate.

Not saying this is the case, but I'm not convinced this is a good thing to do.

Is there any method of dealing with these people we can't find a flaw with? For fucks sake, some of you sound like you wanna cup their balls while you plead for your existence.

 

[TumblingHippo]

That picture is not helpful. No one sensible is calling for compromise between the KKK and black people (maybe Trump?), and "we want civil rights" is not an example of extreme left wing views. It represents anyone who is not far right—including moderates.

Anyone asking folks to compromise with Nazis is themselves far right. They are not moderate.

Moderate silence still gives power to hate groups more than it does to the marginalized. And if such pictures makes a "moderate" slide off their pointy picket fence to the alt-right side then they were never interested in compromise in the first place.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

"What does a violent approach accomplish" says people too lazy to Google the various accomplishments of Malcolm X.

or world war 2 or the civil war or the american revolution etc etc etc

 

[Ithil]

I feel like there's a high chance of turning someone violent when you get them fired from their jobs. Now not only are they angry, but they're poor and unable to get a job because of ANTIFA (or whomever). That gives them a clear target to attack and nothing else to do but stir in their angry and hate.

Not saying this is the case, but I'm not convinced this is a good thing to do.

So your solution is what? Let him get away with being a neo-Nazi because you're afraid of a hypothetical?

They need to face consequences. That's why they are so numerous now, because they're people who are free of any consequences.
They murdered a person yesterday and injured dozens more. They're already violent and it's because they think they are invincible.

 

[RMI]

I feel like there's a high chance of turning someone violent when you get them fired from their jobs. Now not only are they angry, but they're poor and unable to get a job because of ANTIFA (or whomever). That gives them a clear target to attack and nothing else to do but stir in their angry and hate.

Not saying this is the case, but I'm not convinced this is a good thing to do.

Jesus fucking Christ man.

Let's just coddle the Nazis. I've fucking seen it all now.

Maybe just turn them over and give them a light rap on the bare buttocks. Don't spank too hard though, it might embolden them.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

That picture is not helpful. No one sensible is calling for compromise between the KKK and black people (maybe Trump?), and "we want civil rights" is not an example of extreme left wing views. It represents anyone who is not far right—including moderates.

Anyone asking folks to compromise with Nazis is themselves far right. They are not moderate.

It's the truth. The Nazi's and KKK are terrorist organizations. Anyone not embracing and supporting treating them the same way as any other terrorist organization is an enemy to my family and my existence.

Who you think was counter-protesting? There were Black people there saying "Nah, fuck you we ain't going anywhere." Not extreme left.

 

[D i Z]

Is there any method of dealing with these people we can't find a flaw with? For fucks sake, some of you sound like you wanna cup their balls while you plead for your existence.

Could tickle their feet and feed them bruschetta and still be wrong.

What people who are really afraid of when they hear talk of nazi's getting clocked in the fucking head and exposed is really about them needing to reevaluate their own position, and the position of family and how they conduct themselves daily. It's the fear of dealing with themselves.

 

[Box of Kittens]

Don't worry about provoking violence from Nazis. They're going to be violent because they're Nazis, not because they lost their jobs.

 

[theCalamity]

"What does a violent approach accomplish" says people too lazy to Google the various accomplishments of Malcolm X.

Or Black Panthers

 

[Lightning_Roller]

They lost yesterday because people didn't give them ground. When they marched, others marched back. When they punched, others punched back. Ass whoopings held the line yesterday. If you aren't ready for that then stay where you are.

Agreed.


Also the folks that keep talking about violence isn't the answer, I got advice for you.


Open a fucking history book. It sounds like you need a refresher. And another thing you need to know. People have been holding their tongues and pulling back their fists for long enough as the US got twisted, messed up and more bold with its racism. And now we have Nazis goose stepping about and they spilled blood already.

The time for holding our tongues and pulling back our fists is over. It's not pretty but sometimes a diplomatic approach (in this case, a diplomatic approach shouldn't even be humored. It's fucking Nazis!!!) must step aside for more a direct one. And if you honestly don't like it, too goddamn bad.

Also I'm starting to get the feeling the folks that preach about violence not being the answer just don't want their hum drum lives interrupted by people fighting for their damn lives and futures. Just a feeling.

 

[Regulus Tera]

People talking about doxxing in a non ironic way makes me think you guys need to chill and think about what you are actually proposing here. You are playing right into the narrative of the Neo-Nazis.

 

[zethren]

I feel like there's a high chance of turning someone violent when you get them fired from their jobs. Now not only are they angry, but they're poor and unable to get a job because of ANTIFA (or whomever). That gives them a clear target to attack and nothing else to do but stir in their angry and hate.

Not saying this is the case, but I'm not convinced this is a good thing to do.

Not a good thing to do? What's the alternative?

Every single one of them should be exposed, and every single one of them should lose their jobs. And that's the very least of what should be done.

 

[Ithil]

I'll pose that question to all who are acting concerned about the poor Nazis' wellbeing:

How would you proposing handling ISIS?

 

[TumblingHippo]

People talking about doxxing in a non ironic way makes me think you guys need to chill and think about what you are actually proposing here. You are playing right into the narrative of the Neo-Nazis.

The irony is that you're actually playing into their narrative more.

 

[The Kree]

People talking about doxxing in a non ironic way makes me think you guys need to chill and think about what you are actually proposing here. You are playing right into the narrative of the Neo-Nazis.

Everything we do plays into their narrative. You're not going to ever make a compelling argument for total inaction. Start over.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

maybe we should be mad at the people with power who failed to stop this shit from happening

maybe they should take some blame for unpopular white supremacists running our government

and since most of what i see from centrists on twitter right now is still crapping on the "alt-left" i think they can all go fuck themselves forever

I'll blame everyone that with a binary option of boring Dem vs white supremacist, chose the white supremacist/sat home/threw away a vote.

I'm a minority. I never get to choose a unicorn. Yes always a compromise for me - well except this year. That was obvious. If you can't be motivated to stand up to white supremacy, then that says a lot about the voters.

Sure blame the candidate for being boring, but voters aren't getting off either. There was a clear choice. I don't want to hear any fucking excuses that they weren't excited enough so they just let it happen.

I'm not hearing any of that trash.

 

[pigeon]

People talking about doxxing in a non ironic way makes me think you guys need to chill and think about what you are actually proposing here. You are playing right into the narrative of the Neo-Nazis.

If the Neo-Nazi narrative is that we hate them and want them to go away forever because they are unacceptable members of civilized society, that is correct, and that narrative should be widely accepted and promoted.

I'll blame everyone that with a binary option of boring Dem vs white supremacist, chose the white supremacist/sat home/threw away a vote.

I'm a minority. I never get to choose a unicorn. Yes always a compromise for me - well except this year. That was obvious. If you can't be motivated to stand up to white supremacy, then that says a lot about the voters.

Sure blame the candidate for being boring, but voters aren't getting off either. There was a clear choice. I don't want to hear any fucking excuses that they weren't excited enough so they just let it happen.

I'm not hearing any of that trash.

Can we stop this

 

[Jams775]

Fuck em. They were angry and violent before. They won't learn anything anyways, so just the knowledge of them being unemployed even as part of the master race is good enough. Maybe nazi dude shows up to yell and scream and puts his hands on yhe wrong person and gets knocked the fuck out. Good.

They're at a fucking Nazi rally. They're already violent.

I assume they'll just make racist GoFundMes and be fine.

Coddling nazism out of fear has never been the way to confront it.

I agree! BUT I'm trying to say that I don't think getting them fired is an effective way at non violence because it might lead to retaliatory violence. Honestly it feels likes we're headed towards a civil war again and are going to have to shut these nazi's down for the third time. Not saying violence is or isn't the answer.

At this point in time, a non-violence approach has not only failed, but let nazi's fest and build their base, get themselves into really important gov positions and get away with murder.

At what point do we try plan B? It's only getting worse from here...

 

[Frozenprince]

Guarantee if a militia of armed black folks showed up same as those Nazis they'd break ranks and run.

One already pissed himself yesterday.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

People talking about doxxing in a non ironic way makes me think you guys need to chill and think about what you are actually proposing here. You are playing right into the narrative of the Neo-Nazis.

nazi narrative is "we want to murder anyone not white"

gtfo of here. name and shame. ostracize them, marginalize them. if we cant be violent then we need to push them away, back into the cum filled swam these disgsuting degenerates came from.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

If the Neo-Nazi narrative is that we hate them and want them to go away forever because they are unacceptable members of civilized society, that is correct, and that narrative should be widely accepted and promoted.



Can we stop this

I mean talking about the realities of the current political climate that helped to lead to this should be fair game. But fine.

 

[joe2187]

Don't worry about provoking violence from Nazis. They're going to be violent because they're Nazis, not because they lost their jobs.

But think about how that Nazi feels tho....wont you think of their feelings?

They're people too you know? just because he's screaming about the fact of being born makes you a stain on humanity and should be exterminated...is he not entitled to express himself...please...everyone, just be silent and show support for....All lives.

 

[Not]

People talking about doxxing in a non ironic way makes me think you guys need to chill and think about what you are actually proposing here. You are playing right into the narrative of the Neo-Nazis.

There might be a difference between revealing the identity of someone to a specified Internet group for targeted harassment and revealing the identity of a Nazi to their employer.

Any Neo-Nazi "narrative" deserves about as much attention and critical thought as the black gunk under an Applebee's kitchen drain anyway.

 

[Clockwork5]

I have a question.

How would you propose handling ISIS members?

That is a fair question.

I am going to assume you mean if they are American Citizens in the US.

By enforcing the law and speaking out against them. They peacefully demonstrate? Let them do so but speak out against them and their ideas.

If a ISIS sympathizer attacks people; prosecute them and any co-conspirators involved in the act.

I would feel the same way and say the same things if people armed up and went out ISIS hunting as people are suggesting should be done with the Nazis.

That is not how you win.

 

[Slayven]

That picture is not helpful. No one sensible is calling for compromise between the KKK and black people (maybe Trump?), and "we want civil rights" is not an example of extreme left wing views. It represents anyone who is not far right—including moderates.

Anyone asking folks to compromise with Nazis is themselves far right. They are not moderate.

It's the truth, look at how violently people adovcating for women, LGBTQ, and minorities are met. Hell look at the google mess last week

 

[Oersted]

People talking about doxxing in a non ironic way makes me think you guys need to chill and think about what you are actually proposing here. You are playing right into the narrative of the Neo-Nazis.

The very existence of blacks, asians, jews, LGTBQ and many more "plays into their narrative".

 

[Strax]

That dude is gonna sue his former employer and win.
I guess the company think it's worth it.

 

[Ithil]

People talking about doxxing in a non ironic way makes me think you guys need to chill and think about what you are actually proposing here. You are playing right into the narrative of the Neo-Nazis.

You know what their narrative is?

"We should kill all Jews and black people, who are all inferior to us, and America should be a fascist white only nation".

So forgive me for not giving a fuck about their feelings.

 

[Not]

Can we stop this

We obviously don't need this thread to devolve into Hillary vs. Bernie just like the 89,034 other threads.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

I feel like there's a high chance of turning someone violent when you get them fired from their jobs. Now not only are they angry, but they're poor and unable to get a job because of ANTIFA (or whomever). That gives them a clear target to attack and nothing else to do but stir in their angry and hate.

Not saying this is the case, but I'm not convinced this is a good thing to do.

So..double Nazi?

 

[mjp2417]

People talking about doxxing in a non ironic way makes me think you guys need to chill and think about what you are actually proposing here. You are playing right into the narrative of the Neo-Nazis.

How in the everliving fuck does ripping a klansman's hood off play into the narrative of the KKK? Jesus fucking christ moderates. Get better material.

 

[Slayven]

That dude is gonna sue his former employer and win.
I guess the company think it's worth it.

The company is a home improvement contractor. I wouldn't feel safe having a nazi work on my house

Dude was at a public event in a public place adovacating for the murder of people. Sorry not sorry.

Wrong top dog, the one he works at is a restaurant. Even worse

 

[BlazinSkatinAxel]

That dude is gonna sue his former employer and win.
I guess the company think it's worth it.

Everyone else agrees with the company.

 

[pigeon]

That dude is gonna sue his former employer and win.
I guess the company think it's worth it.

Not all states have laws protecting employment on the basis of political activity.

California does, but Nazis are not a political party, they are a hate group.

 

[Box of Kittens]

That is a fair question.

I am going to assume you mean if they are American Citizens in the US.

By enforcing the law and speaking out against them. They peacefully demonstrate? Let them do so but speak out against them and their ideas.

If a ISIS sympathizer attacks people; prosecute them and any co-conspirators involved in the act.

I would feel the same way and say the same things if people armed up and went out ISIS hunting as people are suggesting should be done with the Nazis.

That is not how you win.

This is not how you deal with terrorist organizations, be they IS or Nazis/KKK. Ulysses S. Grant had the right idea.

 

[Not]

So..double Nazi?

Don't dox them or punch them either, or they might turn into the dreaded Triple Nazi™.

 

[D i Z]

So..double Nazi?

Exactly how much Nazi needs to be in a persons system before they become irrational and violent?

 

[Slayven]

Not all states have laws protecting employment on the basis of political activity.

California does, but Nazis are not a political party, they are a hate group.

Virginia is a at will state