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[richiek]

Fucking Berniebros.

 

[Pandora012]

Wonder the amount of people that chose not to vote.

 

[Atilac]

28% of Clinton voters went McCain in 2008

Hey now, don't interupt this scheduled shit-on-sanders-supporters thread.

 

[butzopower]

The socialist got the Russian-backed candidate elected. Bro should have stuck to selling fried chicken.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Fucking Berniebros.

These people weren't Berniebros

 

[Hindl]

Meh, the most important point is buried further down the page:

Yeah it's aborrhent since trump is evil and goes against everything Sanders stands for, but this level of defection isn't surprising and lower than usual primary -> general election voters

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Hey a thread you can say 'this is why Trump won' without it being meta-discussion tone policing!

A more important caveat, perhaps, is that other statistics suggest that this level of "defection" isn't all that out of the ordinary. Believing that all those Sanders voters somehow should have been expected to not vote for Trump may be to misunderstand how primary voters behave.

For example, Schaffner tells NPR that around 12 percent of Republican primary voters (including 34 percent of Ohio Gov. John Kasich voters and 11 percent of Florida Sen. Marco Rubio voters) ended up voting for Clinton. And according to one 2008 study, around 25 percent of Clinton primary voters in that election ended up voting for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., in the general. (In addition, the data showed 13 percent of McCain primary voters ended up voting for Obama, and 9 percent of Obama voters ended up voting for McCain — perhaps signaling something that swayed voters between primaries and the general election, or some amount of error in the data, or both.)

All of that said, one other figure that stuck out to Schaffner: Compared to those numbers above, Clinton 2016 voters were remarkably loyal — "I found basically no Clinton primary voters who voted for Trump," he told NPR in an email.

Primary voters are some capricious motherfuckers and this time the price we all pay is the most severe it has ever been.

 

[kcp12304]

Relidigate the primary in 3...2...1

It doesn't seem like these voters are those that would be reliable Democratic voters. Less lefty purists more anti-establishment people.

 

[Muffin1611]

And how many Sanders primary voters didn't vote in the general at all? I figure that would be the bigger chunk, no?

Is there any data on how many Sanders primary voters did this or voted third party?

 

[TheOfficeMut]

Purity tests are stupid

And so are these people.

28% of Clinton voters went McCain in 2008

And those people were foolish as well, but these people are fucking STUPID given how much greater the disparity in ideology is between Sanders and Trump compared to Clinton and McCain. For as much as I dislike McCain he is nowhere near the pile of shit Trump is.

 

[kirblar]

28% of Clinton voters went McCain in 2008

Clinton '08 also tried to run a campaign using the "WWC" as a base like Sanders did in '16.

 

[Draper]

Time to get our dicks out guys!

Finally the additional fuel we need to hate on these people!

 

[ViviOggi]

That's not that many but I guess it's easier to blame fringe voters on the internet than the Dems learning from this mess

 

[mullet2000]

1 in 10 is pretty damn low. Idiots, but it's low.

 

[gutter_trash]

anti-trade arguments revolve mostly on emotional and irrational arguments.

35 states would get directly screwed if NAFTA would be scrapped .fact

 

[commedieu]

I thought it would be more actually.

Enough to elect trump.

 

[ahoyhoy]

Why not also add this

So this is expected behavior? Makes sense it isn't a unique thing.

Still dissatisfied

 

[RustyNails]

These morons normalized White Supremacy.

 

[thesoapster]

So...Bernie would have won, assuming Hillary supporters backed him and didn't pull the same dumb shit these 1 in 10 did, right?

 

[QuantumBro]

Time to get our dicks out guys!

Finally the additional fuel we need to hate on these people!

Harambe died for nothing.

 

[Pandora012]

anti-trade arguments revolve mostly on emotional and irrational arguments.

35 states would get directly screwed if NAFTA would be scrapped .fact

Emotions > Facts

 

[SolarPowered]

That seems pretty damn good to me considering how much independent support Bernie had and the the fact that like three out of ten hispanics/latinos voted for Trump.

Why not also add this

25% of Clinton supporters?

Jesus Christ

 

[Fenderputty]

These people weren't Berniebros

Yes they were, and unfortunately for most reasonable Sanders fans, they were easily the loudest while the rest got lumped in.

 

[Hindl]

So this is expected behavior? Makes sense it isn't a unique thing.

Still dissatisfied

In a normal election it's not unexpected. I think it's just shocking once you consider they voted for Trump

 

[benicillin]

This is so incredibly common that to act surprised about it is basically just trying to stir shit up.

 

[G.ZZZ]

Less than half as much Clinton's voter that switched for McCain.

So less than half as dumb, am i right?

Why is this article even a thing. 10% is below the average for defectors and despite that we have people with wild confirmation bias going inside here.

 

[Jigorath]

Why not also add this

And according to one 2008 study, around 25 percent of Clinton primary voters in that election ended up voting for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., in the general. (In addition, the data showed 13 percent of McCain primary voters ended up voting for Obama, and 9 percent of Obama voters ended up voting for McCain

I think this should have been in the OP.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

28% of Clinton voters went McCain in 2008

I dare say that 2008 Clinton and 2008 McCain were at least more similar to one another, than Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. Though I'm sure racism must have played a part to direct some voters away from Obama, much like misogyny did for Clinton.

 

[Dude Abides]

This is useless information without context. Is that any different from any reasonably contested primary? What are the stats on 2008 Clinton voters going for McCain.

Edit: i see someone posted it was 28%.

Lookitsfuckingnothing.gif.

 

[Loudninja]

A people really trying to compare this to 2008?

 

[BitStyle]

This is so incredibly common that to act surprised about it is basically just trying to stir shit up.

Oh for sure. But like with Romney and McCain defectors, it confounds me everytime.

I shouldn't be surprised anymore though

 

[commedieu]

A people really trying to compare this to 2008?

Deflector shields: maximum

 

[Kain-Nosgoth]

28% of Clinton voters went McCain in 2008

can we adress this?

Voters are stupid, if their candidate doesn't win, then they'll just vote against the candidate who beat them just because...

Unless there's something i'm missing? If so, can someone summarize why this happened?

regardless, 12 % was lower than i excepted

 

[water_wendi]

The people running the campaign knew they were going to lose blue collar Democrats in those states because they were focused on getting Republicans to vote for Clinton. Chuck Schumer, the same person who talked up this strategy is still in a leadership position btw.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4632402/every-blue-collar-democrat

 

[cdyhybrid]

Can we just stop the blame game?

Almost half of the eligible votes this go around were dumb as hell, we can all agree on that.

The question I'm interested in is, why did Bernie's message work on these dumb people, but Hillary's didn't? What made Trump's words work on them? Were there differences in optics? Was it sexism at work? Did Hillary fail to talk about issues people cared about? I think the fact they changed is evidence enough these voters can be convinced to vote against Trump next time around.

This whole vilian-izing of Bernie voters misses that entirely and is just a waste of time. What are you going to do? Physically stop them from going to the polls? You either depress them or convince them. Pick one.

Bernie's words apparently didn't work on them because he actually implored his supporters to vote for Hillary in the general.

 

[Aaron Strife]

None of these voters knew shit about Bernie Sanders, they just wanted to keep the evil bitch Hillary Clinton out of office. You can not convince me otherwise that there was any ideological reason for Sanders->Trump voters, purely hatred of Hillary, bandwagoning and other general stupidity.

Watching the fucking flaming hoops some Sanders supporters in my circles jumped through to justify why Hillary was so awful and how Trump wouldn't be that bad was fucking infuriating then and it was even moreso after he won.

Have I mentioned that I hate America today? If I ever run for office trace this post back to me and I will own it.

 

[ebullientprism]

That cant be right. Going by GAF that should be around 80-90%. Probably more.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

1 in 10 isn't that many.

It's more than enough to swing the election.

 

[phaze]

Thanks, guys!

Guess we can't just blame them, since enough others voted Trump. But going from Sanders to Trump seems like such a strange leap.

What kind of mental gymnastics do you need to do to justify that switch?

I can't fathom how people would go from voting for someone who calls himself a socialist to Donald Trump, the epitome of capitalism.

Didn't they have the same or very similar stance on trade policy ?

 

[see5harp]

1 out of 10 is a low number. Not sure how you gonna blame "Bernie bros" based on that number.

 

[Red]

Thanks, guys!

Guess we can't just blame them, since enough others voted Trump. But going from Sanders to Trump seems like such a strange leap.

It wasn't Sanders to Trump. It was not-Clinton to not-Clinton. There was never a change with these people.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

idiots

 

[xxracerxx]

That cant be right. Going by GAF that should be around 80-90%. Probably more.

Stop.

 

[NoName999]

28% of Clinton voters went McCain in 2008

2008 Hillary tried to court the white working class. A good chunk of her voters went Republican

2016 Bernie tried to court the white working class. A good chunk of his voters went Republican

Hmmmmmmmmm, I think I see a pattern, guys. What could it be?

 

[bigkrev]

can we adress this?

Voters are stupid, if their candidate doesn't win, then they'll just vote against the candidate who beat them just because...

Unless there's something i'm missing? If so, can someone summarize why this happened?

regardless, 12 % was lower than i excepted

There is a non-zero percentage of Democrats who might not have been comfortable voting for Obama because of his skin color, who went to McCain when Hillary dropped out

 

[minor effort]

Less than half as much Clinton's voter that switched for McCain.

So less than half as dumb, am i right?

Why is this article even a thing. 10% is below the average for defectors and despite that we have people with wild confirmation bias going inside here.

The only reason nobody cared in 08 was because the Democrats won the presidency nonetheless, and quite handily so. Everybody’s still picking through the remains of 2016 to find specks of reasons to blame each other.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

I mean yeah, what a bunch of idiots, but it just goes to show how terrible a candidate Hillary Clinton was as well.

 

[BitStyle]

That cant be right. Going by GAF that should be around 80-90%. Probably more.

These pot-shots will never end I guess

 

[DarkKyo]

I'm a Sanders voter who never entertained the loathsome idea of voting for that vile orange fuck.


So don't peg us all as one or two warped logic steps between Sanders and Trump.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

That cant be right. Going by GAF that should be around 80-90%. Probably more.

Not sure where you're getting that impression. Even some of the most abrasively vocal Bernie supporters on GAF wound up voting Clinton. Going off GAF I would have assumed it closer to <5% than 10%.