NoblesseOblige
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Then you should probably supply more stats than just the two to establish that as fact.
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1 In 10 Sanders Primary Voters Ended Up Supporting Trump
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Then you should probably supply more stats than just the two to establish that as fact.
MetroidPrimeRib
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These people never wanted Sanders' message, only an outsider to stick it to...whoever.
Fenderputty
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water_wendi
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”For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin."
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4632402/every-blue-collar-democrat
How did that strategy work out and why is Chuck Schumer still in a position of leadership?
Dash_Riprock
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Hahaha, oh man...
"Death by Purity Tests"
That's what will be on the tombstone of the Democratic Party.
"Death by Purity Tests"
That's what will be on the tombstone of the Democratic Party.
Jamelle Bouie voted Sanders in the primary. Do you think people are referring to him when they invoke the term?
water_wendi
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How about death by numbskulledness? They courted Republican voters in those states and they knew it would be at the expense of Democratic voters and still did it.
Sho_Nuff82
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Part of the 90%. Well, nearly half of the MA primary voted for Bernie, but still swung hard for Clinton.
How can person who is almost 30 years in Congress can be viewed as rebel and not mainstream politician is beyond my comprehention of US politics.
The central question here: Why do you think we lost Democratic votes in those places?
I suspect we have very different answers.
shawnbuddy
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As a point of order, now that we know the numbers the Bernie supporters have to stop claiming that "99 percent" of them voted for Hillary. It was 88 percent.
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I'm moderately surprised it wasn't higher. Sanders did a good job of bringing a populist campaign behind an elitist candidate.
Got that Killer Mike endorsement.
Rockandrollclown
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Its all perception. Your average person never heard of Bernie before the primaries. They've been hearing (mostly bad things) about Hillary for like 25 years.
Not too surprising, this happens in elections. People sometimes pick good candidates for bad reasons, and some people never get over primary woes.
Substantially more Hillary voters went for McCain in 2008.
Substantially more Hillary voters went for McCain in 2008.
They were never really progressive. They were always just populists.
Democrats are just incapable of learning from continued losses, they would get crushed without the two-party system.
water_wendi
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Because instead of going after Democratic voters they went with courting Republicans. Remember how the entire USA would be blue? Its not like they even just thought they had no place to go and would vote D anyway. Those in charge KNEW they would lose Democratic voters in those states.. they counted on it because they would pick up double in Republican votes or so they believed.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4632402/every-blue-collar-democrat
Ziltoidia 9
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I guess they were still under the spell of "he is just campaigning, he won't be that bad".
Well as we all found out...Trump WAS that bad, and really, worse then we ever thought he would be.
Well as we all found out...Trump WAS that bad, and really, worse then we ever thought he would be.
Seriously; McCain is an asshole but please tell me how voting for a guy who defended Obama from the "secret Muslim" remarks versus the guy who spread birtherism is somehow equivalent.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I don't see a figure for that in the article.
You're saying that no Bernie primary voters voted for Comrade Jill or abstained in the general?
Did anyone outside of Jimmy Dore want Trump to win at TYT?
Sho_Nuff82
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I wonder how those people feel now that we're being dicked down by the status quo, PLUS ULTRA.
"Bernie or Trump" voters who thought Trump would clash with the Republican party didn't put much thought into what issues they'd actually have disagreements on. I'd describe them more of "voters of passion" than belonging to any logical political party.
Ziltoidia 9
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No, I believe they all voted Hillary besides Dore, who voted Stein.
The fear of the old man dying and having president palin in charge was a scary nightmare.
Their nonstop pro Bernie anti Hillary stance polluted many new and young voters I'm guessing.
No.
SolidSnakex
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He isn't an equivalent, but one can't forget that Sarah "Obama's palling around with terrorists" Palin was his vice presidential candidate.
No.
Alexander DeLarge
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How about you start blaming the DNC for pushing a shitty candidate and conspiring against one who had the most enthusiasm I've ever seen for a politician in my lifetime?
Zoe
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Some Bernie voters, especially in the South, were conservative Dems voting against Hillary for being Hillary.
Some Bernie voters were conspiracy theorists whose primary concern was globalism.
Some Bernie voters were people who truly believed in being anti-establishment as their sole criteria, and the drain the swamp rhetoric appealed to them.
Some Bernie voters were probably pro-Russia and/or viewed Hillary as being more of a hawk.
There's plenty of reasons for crossover appeal. The vast majority of Bernie voters however did not fall for these.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Bernie -> Trump voter, right?
On what issue is this turning them off? You're speaking in generalities here and dodging the issue. These people flipped. Why did they flip?
Nydius
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Haven't been reading the thread, I see. The primary to general defectors for Bernie to Trump is low compared to past primary defections.
I mentioned this in another thread about Japan and populism.
People want something different than what we have, as it's not working. This alone should be cause for grave concern, because this means so long as a molotov cocktail can be tossed "because it's different than the order of things" people will in fact lean to this side. The idea of change and an upheaval to things as they are is of great desire to people who feel the society they have is not working for them. Ideally, these people should be leaning to sides and people who can specify the problem. Sanders was close, with rentierism, economic inequality, and an issue where the elite have the world and the masses have ashes. I imagine the people who went from Sanders to Trump at the very least still felt populism was better than the status quo, even if it entirely was based upon ghosts, lies, and ignoring deeper issues that are about to get several degrees worse for people.
Populism in general spawned from precarity and the deconstruction of sustainability for many, many Americans. Don't be shocked when given a choice, however bad it is to the status quo, people will pick it. Mix this with racism and "othering" of others, and it's not hard to see why even Trump had an audience. I imagine those who went from sanity to insanity here really didn't believe their lives got better under Barack Obama, and while many of us can say we have, many can also say they have not, and its level of truth is something to examine depending upon the reasons.
We should be alarmed that anybody, for any reason, would support the Orange Con Man. This speaks to a toxicity and danger that can't even be put into words.
People want something different than what we have, as it's not working. This alone should be cause for grave concern, because this means so long as a molotov cocktail can be tossed "because it's different than the order of things" people will in fact lean to this side. The idea of change and an upheaval to things as they are is of great desire to people who feel the society they have is not working for them. Ideally, these people should be leaning to sides and people who can specify the problem. Sanders was close, with rentierism, economic inequality, and an issue where the elite have the world and the masses have ashes. I imagine the people who went from Sanders to Trump at the very least still felt populism was better than the status quo, even if it entirely was based upon ghosts, lies, and ignoring deeper issues that are about to get several degrees worse for people.
Populism in general spawned from precarity and the deconstruction of sustainability for many, many Americans. Don't be shocked when given a choice, however bad it is to the status quo, people will pick it. Mix this with racism and "othering" of others, and it's not hard to see why even Trump had an audience. I imagine those who went from sanity to insanity here really didn't believe their lives got better under Barack Obama, and while many of us can say we have, many can also say they have not, and its level of truth is something to examine depending upon the reasons.
We should be alarmed that anybody, for any reason, would support the Orange Con Man. This speaks to a toxicity and danger that can't even be put into words.
Battersea Power Station
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Of course it's a strange leap. But until Dems realize that Americans largely vote for personality and not policy, they'll keep losing. And unfortunately the people that will lose the most are the ones that are already in the margins.
MeatGrinder
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Great post.
Some people will say or do anything to absolve others of their support for white supremacy, I guess.
Horseshit...we are witnessing first hand what a shitty candidate that wins looks like. You're delusional at best if you think this is how that candidate that the DNC pushed administration would go.
IrishNinja
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in my experience, i really thought this # would be higher - the amount of bernie folks bemoaning "identity politics" and on about how its class, not race type shit seemed high
i'd be interested in seeing how many fell for stein's shit too, yeah
i know one of em locally that went for the libertarian candidate, here in our swing state too...sighhhh
It's amazing what kind of mental gymnastics Hildog supporters go through to put the blame any anyone or anything else.
Jesus Christ.
You were born after 2008?
SolidSnakex
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There was a poll that showed that of all the presidential candidates, Sanders supporters were least likely to view black people negatively.
KojiKnight
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Holy shit, some people are talking as if the majority of Bernie supporters were somehow satan... 12% is a very small portion.
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