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Edge Magazine: The 100 Greatest Videogames 2017 Edition

Neith

Banned
Seriously and especially when you consider that they're leaving off games like Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy Tatics, New Vegas, BG2, Planescape, VtmB or even more recent games like Divinity: Original Sin and Dragon's Dogma.

Horizon shouldn't make a top 30 RPGs list much less make the top 30 of a list including every genre. It's placement is absolutely preposterous.

Nah, your opinion is preposterous. There are tons of games to take off this list before Horizon. New Vegas is janky garbage with a totally incoherent world design. Chrono is okay, but they chose Earthbound apparently to rep their 2D RPGs, which is not right. I would put Lunar or Suikoden II over them both. Dragon's Dogma over Horizon yeah no.

I'm not saying it deserves to be that high, but it deserves to be on the list. Chrono Trigger is wildly WILDLY overrated at this point. No one cares that someone's childhood can't face the truth. Games like Super Metroid still stand up tall. CT is a bit dated and childish in a slightly negative way IMHO. It has terrible writing, a mediocre story, and the game has aged. I'm not gonna say keep it off the list, but I'll take Lunar 1 or 2, Suikoden II or FF6 over it easily just for the better stories.

Keeping FF Tactics off the list is bizarre, as they hardly have anything to represent the genre.
 
I'm ok with omitting some stuff, but putting The Last of Us in there is embarrassing.

But lists are gonna list.

Lmao. TLOU is gon be on the vast majority of lists from now til the end of time. Game is well loved.

Nah, your opinion is preposterous. There are tons of games to take off this list before Horizon. New Vegas is janky garbage with a totally incoherent world design. Chrono is okay, but they chose Earthbound apparently to rep their 2D RPGs, which is not right. I would put Lunar or Suikoden II over them both. Dragon's Dogma over Horizon yeah no.

I'm not saying it deserves to be that high, but it deserves to be on the list. Chrono Trigger is wildly WILDLY overrated at this point. No one cares that someone's childhood can't face the truth. Games like Super Metroid still stand up tall. CT is a bit dated and childish in a slightly negative way IMHO. It has terrible writing, a mediocre story, and the game has aged. I'm not gonna say keep it off the list, but I'll take Lunar 1 or 2, Suikoden II or FF6 over it easily just for the better stories.

Chrono Trigger is probably the most universally charming RPG of that generation. It's probably the easiest game to introduce to someone in this modern era that would have a lasting impact. I played FF6ba couple years ago, that game is worse tham Chrono Trigger by a large margin. If Chrono Trigger is childish then FF6 by comparison is pretentious as hell.

I have no problem with neither making the list
 
Bloodborne does not deserve to be ranked higher than Witcher 3 in any real world.

It has good combat. And that is the only thing it will ever do better than Witcher 3.

Witcher 3 is boring and tedious with clunky combat. Bloodborne is never that. Bloodborne is pure goodness.
 

Neith

Banned
Witcher 3 is boring and tedious with clunky combat. Bloodborne is never that. Bloodborne is pure goodness.

It's story is shit. It's writing is crap. The technical details of the game are all over the place.

I love the setting, I love the combat, but most everything else is pretty meh IMO.

IDK maybe you are not invested in The Witcher 3. But I am, and the3 world they built is INFINITELY more interesting and engaging on an intellectual level than any Souls game will ever be.

Yeah, it has some flaws, but whatever. I don't care. Bloodborne is hot topic of the moment hype and nothing more. It's a slightly incoherent game with a cool setting and great combat with horrible technical limitations.

I never had a problem with Witcher 3's combat, I just hated that its skill system is utter garbage. Still, no other game approaches what Witcher 3 does in an open world with complex politics and adventure. The fact that fucking Destiny is higher than Witcher 3 is a goddamn abomination and sin.
 

Servbot24

Banned
It's story is shit. It's writing is crap. The technical details of the game are all over the place.

I love the setting, I love the combat, but most everything else is pretty meh IMO.

IDK maybe you are not invested in The Witcher 3. But I am, and the3 world they built is INFINITELY more interesting and engaging on an intellectual level than any Souls game will ever be.

Yeah, it has some flaws, but whatever. I don't care. Bloodborne is hot topic of the moment hype and nothing more. It's a slightly incoherent game with a cool setting and great combat with horrible technical limitations.

I gotta disagree, BB's story and setting is extremely interesting to me. W3 is a bit more straight fantasy which isn't as enticing to me personally. That doesn't mean it's bad by any means, but BB just goes crazy which I really like.

Also Bloodborne has been the "hot topic of the moment" for two years now, so maybe that means something. :p
 

Neith

Banned
Lmao. TLOU is gon be on the vast majority of lists from now til the end of time. Game is well loved.



Chrono Trigger is probably the most universally charming RPG of that generation. It's probably the easiest game to introduce to someone in this modern era that would have a lasting impact. I played FF6ba couple years ago, that game is worse tham Chrono Trigger by a large margin. If Chrono Trigger is childish then FF6 by comparison is pretentious as hell.

I have no problem with neither making the list

To be honest it has been a long time. I would HONESTLY need a retranslation of both games to be sure what is going on. I was turned off of both games because of the writing as it is. And I didn't like any of the fan stuff really. My 2D RPG game to take the place of Earthbound would be Lunar 1 or 2 complete editions.

As for Bloodborne IDK guys. I need a more coherent story in my games. I never actually felt a part of the world I was playing, and that was a problem for me. I like Bloodborne a lot, I'm not quite finished with it atm, but at this point there is no way it would make my top 100 games list. And I would have a LOT more retro games on my personal list.

Dark Souls is definitely top 20 for me though.
 

NESpowerhouse

Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane.
Transistor > Symphony of the fucking Night apparently. Whatever you say, Edge. Whatever you say.
 

Neith

Banned
Where the fucking hell is Yoshi's Island, Rayman Legends or Origins, Ori, or Donkey Kong TF? Man these mofos hate great platformers.

Seriously, EVERY ONE of these games is in my top 40. Fucking hell.

Can someone tell me what the fuck the press was smoking or drinking while reviewing Tropical Freeze?

Like what in the actual fuck happened there? I've never seen a masterpiece get such ridiculously low reviews.
 

Servbot24

Banned
Where the fucking hell is Yoshi's Island, Rayman Legends or Origins, Ori, or Donkey Kong TF? Man these mofos hate great platformers.

Seriously, EVERY ONE of these games is in my top 40. Fucking hell.

There are 1000s of great games in the world so obviously some that you like will be left off

Rayman Legends and Tropical Freeze would be in my top 100 too though
 

Neith

Banned
There are 1000s of great games in the world so obviously some that you like will be left off

Rayman Legends and Tropical Freeze would be in my top 100 too though

I remember TF getting bashed in reviews for almost no logical reason. It was getting like 7s and shit because reasons and maybe it was the second straight mordern DK platformer.

Sorry, but even DKCR is amazing. Playing it right now with the texture and font pack on Ishiiruka. And it too is damn near masterpiece level.

I'm sorry, I don't need every amazing game i love on the list, but their platformer selection is fucking hideous. Almost as bad as their shmup selection.
 
I don't like the list, though I believe it was compiled for people who are approaching gaming right now, hence the plethora of lesser but more modern games.

That aside my top 5 would have been:

1) Doom (the original)
2) Super Mario 64
3) ICO
4) Tetris
5) Pac-Man

i didn't think it was possible to have a worse top 5 than Edge 2017, but you beat it by a huge margin.
 

Neith

Banned

I think it is just hilarious he called it embarrassing, when in reality that opinion is such a SUPER NICHE opinion that it's nearly embarrassing. TLOU is going to rank in the top ten games or at least top twenty for a long time folks. Get used to it.

Also, what the hell is Hyper Light Drifter doing on this list lol. A bit soon ehh Edge.
 

phanphare

Banned
Nah, your opinion is preposterous. There are tons of games to take off this list before Horizon. New Vegas is janky garbage with a totally incoherent world design. Chrono is okay, but they chose Earthbound apparently to rep their 2D RPGs, which is not right. I would put Lunar or Suikoden II over them both. Dragon's Dogma over Horizon yeah no.

I'm not saying it deserves to be that high, but it deserves to be on the list. Chrono Trigger is wildly WILDLY overrated at this point. No one cares that someone's childhood can't face the truth. Games like Super Metroid still stand up tall. CT is a bit dated and childish in a slightly negative way IMHO. It has terrible writing, a mediocre story, and the game has aged. I'm not gonna say keep it off the list, but I'll take Lunar 1 or 2, Suikoden II or FF6 over it easily just for the better stories.

Keeping FF Tactics off the list is bizarre, as they hardly have anything to represent the genre.

play the ds version
 

Toni

Member
Seriously and especially when you consider that they're leaving off games like Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy Tatics, New Vegas, BG2, Planescape, VtmB or even more recent games like Divinity: Original Sin and Dragon's Dogma.

Horizon shouldn't make a top 30 RPGs list much less make the top 30 of a list including every genre. It's placement is absolutely preposterous.

You both can kindly get the heck out with this crap.

Horizon has a sublime story to tell, unique theme and is a monumental achievement.

It deserves to be on this list and comfortably.

We finally get an open world game that does story and gameplay so right. Many have been the open world games that have failed over and over to meet the criteria for both of this aspects and failled.
 

mindatlarge

Member
Theres so much wrong with BOTW despite it being a good game.

edit: subpar rewards for exploration after midpoint, mixed ratio of good and bad shrines, poor dungeons, poor bosses, poor VA, poor story.

Mother 3 is absolutely phenomenal and should be top 10, and MGSV doesnt belong here despite its gameplay
Though I'd love to see Mother 3 get more recognition as well, being that it was never officially released in the west, can't blame these list makers too much for omitting it. Probably would have gone with Mother 3 over EarthBound if this was my list, if I had to adhere to the one game per series rule.
 

Neith

Banned
You both can kindly get the heck out with this crap.

Horizon has a sublime story to tell, unique theme and is a monumental achievement.

It deserves to be on this list and comfortably.

Agreed, instead the pick is janky ass stuff --played New Vegas with top tier mods--like NV that has such an incoherent and terrible world design it's hilarious at times.

No modern Fallout can touch Horizon with a stick IMHO. Just my opinion though.

If Fallout was made by a company with a decent graphics engine I might actually let one on my list.

The reason Horizon is on this list is because its world design is almost second to none. There are only 4 or 5 games that can compete with the world they built for Horizon graphically and technically. That alone is an amazing achievement. It also happens to have a great female lead and a very competent story to tell with fantastic combat.

Also, I'll take Horizon over Bloodborne any day of the friggin' week. God BB is so massively overrated and I'll be so glad when this FS boner goes away.

Dark Souls was an amazing achievement. It's the only game that belongs on this list IMO. Demon's Souls remaster is gonna be on there when it happens.
 

silva1991

Member
Bloodborne does not deserve to be ranked higher than Witcher 3 in any real world.

It has good combat. And that is the only thing it will ever do better than Witcher 3.

Not to me. It also has better bosses, music, artstyle/aesthetics and more interesting world and story imo.

I honestly didn't care about the main story of Witcher 3 that much even though the writing is one of the best in business.

Did it end up disappointing? I was really hyped for it, but never got the chance to play it.

It's the worst of the three by far. Actually even Origins was better than Arkham Knight. Not even one proper boss fight.
 
There's a whole lotta games I love on there, but certainly not *Top 100 Greatest Games Available* level love...

What the fuck happened here?
 
So the only Final Fantasy on this list is XII?

What in the actual shit is this list.

Witcher 3 ranked worse than Far Cry 4?

No Chrono Trigger, Any of the Good Final Fantasies?

And thats just for starters..
 

StarPhlox

Member
Rate my top 5 and then you can make a top 5 top 5s list:

1. Metroid Prime
2. Mega Man X
3. Mega Man Legends 2
4. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
5. Demons' Souls

Your top 5 is a 9/10!


My top 5 is

1. Mega Man X
2. Metroid Prime
3. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
4. Metal Gear Solid 3
5. Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
 

Fjordson

Member
Not that bad a list. I mean everyone's personal tastes will be different so it's sort of pointless to argue over specific games or placings.

I'm guessing they were sort of going for a "biggest impact on popular gaming / gaming culture" as opposed to straight up "best games".
 
Rate my top 5 and then you can make a top 5 top 5s list:

1. Metroid Prime
2. Mega Man X
3. Mega Man Legends 2
4. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
5. Demons' Souls

1. Vagrant Story
4. LoZ: ALttP
3. Super Mario World
4. Gran Turismo 2
5. Mass Effect 2

Your list has way too much Mega Man, though Mega Man X would definitely be top 20 or 30 for me.

EDIT: This is just off the top of my head. As soon as I saw MGS3, I'd take GT2 off. I haven't really given it much thought.
 

Arion

Member
It's story is shit. It's writing is crap. The technical details of the game are all over the place.

I love the setting, I love the combat, but most everything else is pretty meh IMO.

IDK maybe you are not invested in The Witcher 3. But I am, and the3 world they built is INFINITELY more interesting and engaging on an intellectual level than any Souls game will ever be.

Yeah, it has some flaws, but whatever. I don't care. Bloodborne is hot topic of the moment hype and nothing more. It's a slightly incoherent game with a cool setting and great combat with horrible technical limitations.

I never had a problem with Witcher 3's combat, I just hated that its skill system is utter garbage. Still, no other game approaches what Witcher 3 does in an open world with complex politics and adventure. The fact that fucking Destiny is higher than Witcher 3 is a goddamn abomination and sin.

Bloodborne came out before Witcher 3 and is still talked about today, it's not exactly a flavor of the month game.

Besides Witcher 3's faults aren't insignificant. Bad controls and bad combat in an action rpg is a major problem.
 

Servbot24

Banned
1. Vagrant Story
4. LoZ: ALttP
3. Super Mario World
4. Gran Turismo 2
5. Mass Effect 2

Your list has way too much Mega Man, though Mega Man X would definitely be top 20 or 30 for me.
My view is that a franchise should be celebrated rather than penalized for having multiple excellent entries :)

Hell yeah @ Gran Turismo 2 though

Edit: oh nooo just saw your edit

MGS3 is worthy I guess
 
Bloodborne came out before Witcher 3 and is still talked about today, it's not exactly a flavor of the month game.

Besides Witcher 3's faults aren't insignificant. Bad controls and bad combat in an action rpg is a major problem.
And Bloodborne has a confusing story, rough writing and limited exploration.

Both games have their issues.
 

FinalAres

Member
Bloodborne came out before Witcher 3 and is still talked about today, it's not exactly a flavor of the month game.

Besides Witcher 3's faults aren't insignificant. Bad controls and bad combat in an action rpg is a major problem.
Zelda's issues are just as significant. In that they are a recognised issue that don't in any way spoil the overall game, so they are rightly ignored.
 
Nah, your opinion is preposterous. There are tons of games to take off this list before Horizon. New Vegas is janky garbage with a totally incoherent world design. Chrono is okay, but they chose Earthbound apparently to rep their 2D RPGs, which is not right. I would put Lunar or Suikoden II over them both. Dragon's Dogma over Horizon yeah no.

New Vegas is such a better game than Horizon, lmao. And every other RPG on the list tbh.

The only RPGs I'll accept as being on par with NV are Baldur's Gate II and Witcher 3.
 

Daffy Duck

Member
No Half Life 1?

Hmmm. OK, game is on a totally different level to Half Life 2 so for me that should be where two is.

I can't comment on a lot of their other picks as I've simply not played the games.

Bloodborne came out before Witcher 3 and is still talked about today, it's not exactly a flavor of the month game.

Besides Witcher 3's faults aren't insignificant. Bad controls and bad combat in an action rpg is a major problem.

Not played BB and I'm in no way an ARPG aficionado but I had no issues with the Witcher 3 controls.
 
I get that they are favoring modern games because they hold up better, but they've made a list of the "top 100 greatest games" and in placing such a huge weight on recent games, it's a list of very good and not a list of greatness.

Rate my top 5 and then you can make a top 5 top 5s list:

1. Metroid Prime
2. Mega Man X
3. Mega Man Legends 2
4. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
5. Demons' Souls
You share two of my top five, so that's a pretty good Top 5 in my book!

1. Ocarina of Time
2. Metroid Prime
3. Majora's Mask
4. REmake
5. Super Mario Galaxy
 

MisterHero

Super Member
No Super Mario Bros. 1, 3 and Yoshi's Island. LMAO

I know stuffing the list with Nintendo sequels wouldn't make it a fair list but they are still silly omissions
 
In writing absolutely.

New Vegas does have a lot of issues as well though.

It does, but it's absolutely unmatched in what it gets right. And it's not even close.

Re your edit:

I can't get behind ME2. The Mass Effect dichotomization of choice is just a way to artificially make the player feel like their game is unique to them and centered around their choices, without having to actually spend the resources to do so. Roughly 90% of conversation trees only have two lines of dialog unique to your "choice": Shepard's Paragon, Renegade or Neutral selection and then the immediate response (from whomever you're speaking to) to that selection. After that, the conversation just goes back into the same dialog tree that's shared by all three. That's why there's not a "Good" or "Evil" option like there was even for KoToR because that would necessitate that a lot more unique content would have to be made.
 
All I can think about when I see this list is what weird rules they gave themselves in order to come up with it. There's no way a group of people trying to make a list of the best games puts this out without constraining themselves to some weird rules just to make people lose their minds. It's way too bizarre for it to be organically constructed.
 

Javier23

Banned
GAF has a collective seizure every damn time a list thread pops up and has once again to face the reality that tastes are subjective and lists will vary and no one even likes the same games.

EDIT: And it's even worse that people to this day are still trying to compare TW3 and BB as if they were even remotely similar or going for the same thing.
 
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