I'm surprised you like Metroid 2 so much. Can't wait to see your reaction to Samus Returns.
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Metroid: Samus Returns (Mercury Steam, Metroid 2 reimagining, 9/15) announced for 3DS
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Astral Dog
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1) Metroid Prime.
2) Metroid Fusion
3) Super
4) Prime 2
5) Zero Mission
2) Metroid Fusion
3) Super
4) Prime 2
5) Zero Mission
Astral Dog
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FloweryMarston
Member
i hope they start a partnership with mercury steam to develop metroid games.
It's probably the last big budget game they're pushing for 3DS before Pokemon.
They can't possibly expect it to do more than Fusion that had everything for it at release.
It also depends on what they want to achieve with it.
If they're just pushing the game to spur 3DS sales they may call it a success even if it doesn't sell that much.
Like say if it does 400k but manages to push 200k 3DSs on its own, it may prove profitable enough.
It's Nintendo, guesswork is rather useless.
We'll know if they're happy with it or not. If it does worse than that one from 2010, don't expect 2D Metroid from Sakamoto at all...Or maybe they'll just let Sakamoto whatever the hell he wants as long as he keep the Tomodachi games coming, who knows.
And they're actually harder and harder.
Like the last boss is really the hardest if you don't cheese it (never could >_<').
Of course now the game is really easy for me to play after all these years.
But it's probably the closest after Metroid 1 that felt like the game was actively trying to kill and the bosses were really a threat.
In a way it's kinda like Zelda, in that the game at a conceptual level is supposed to resist you a great deal.
Fusion could have made it if they managed to make the SA-X encounters random over painfully scripted sequences...
I could write essays on everything Metroid 2 does well.
I'm not gonna take Samus Returns as a remake of that or you'll see me rage for years.
They already added a map and doors everywhere to what was mostly a planet with little ruins in there.
I have Metroid 2 on 2 different formats, as long as no one tries to take it from me I'm ok.
LegendofLex
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Prime
Super
Prime 2
Zero Mission
Prime 3
Fusion
AM2R
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Other M
Haven't finished Hunters, Metroid, or Return of Samus. Couldn't deal with the stylus + button controls in Hunters, the punishing respawns in Metroid, or the zoomed-in FOV in Return of Samus. And honestly if Other M had no cutscenes I'd probably not have a gulf between it and Fusion.
The first time through Fusion is pretty great, yeah, I have very fond memories of it.
As for a top 5, well
5. Fusion
4. Prime 3
3. Zero Mission
2. Prime
1. Super Metroid
I've played through pretty much all of them sans Pinball and Federation Force. I'll probably fix that soon though.
I'm VERY tempted to replay Metroid II before SR too, but I'm not sure. I remember loving the game but I want to keep things a surprise despite SR clearly changing a lot.
Well I mean Other m still did sell more than zero mission. Zero mission sold a little under a million, which is why I feel if this sells around that again, no more 2d metroid. If it only sells 400k...then just forget about it. Metroid definitely isn't going to push that many 3ds sales.
We have no information on that AT ALL.
We do know that
Metroid Fusion said:
Metroid Other M said:
We do know that Other M was farther from expectations than Zero Mission.
As they both never cleared 1M we don't know how they actually sold.
Also any number Nintendo would have is shipped numbers as well.
We also know that Other M sold so badly that retailers were selling the game at heavy discount quite early. Something that never happened for any other Metroid games.
Other M may have shipped more copies but I fully expect that there's quite a lot of copies in the wild unsold.
e: I don't think we have any info on Zero Mission selling more than 500k actually.
The only information I ever saw was <1M for both.
As a reminder if you saw numbers on chartz, the site is banned here because they make up numbers all the time.
e2 : they have Other M at 1.37M when Nintendo itself claims to have shipped less than 1M!
mariachi507
Member
I'll bite.
Masterful
1. Super
2. Prime
3. Zero Mission
Great
4. Fusion
5. Prime 3: Corruption
Average to Meh
6. Other M
Not played
-Metroid
-Return of Samus
-Prime 2: Echoes
-Prime: Pinball
-Hunters
-Federation Force
Edit: forgot about AM2R, I played it but never beat it.
I'm expecting Samus Returns to be at least "great".
Masterful
1. Super
2. Prime
3. Zero Mission
Great
4. Fusion
5. Prime 3: Corruption
Average to Meh
6. Other M
Not played
-Metroid
-Return of Samus
-Prime 2: Echoes
-Prime: Pinball
-Hunters
-Federation Force
Edit: forgot about AM2R, I played it but never beat it.
I'm expecting Samus Returns to be at least "great".
Easily the best. The sheer variety of Prime 2's bosses is incredible, and even on hard mode they're not tedious bullet sponges in the same way as some bosses from Prime 3.
we doing rankings? okay fine
Top Tier
Great Tier
Okay Tier
Meh Tier[/b[
Top Tier
- Super Metroid
- Metroid: Zero Mission
- Metroid Prime
- Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
- AM2R
Great Tier
- Metroid Fusion
- Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Okay Tier
- Metroid II: Return of Samus
- Metroid: Other M (yes, really)
Meh Tier[/b[
- Metroid
- Metroid Prime Hunters
Haven't played Federation Force, don't imagine it would be above "meh" though.
TheDinoman
Member
Can someone explain to me how the clock works in Super Metroid?
What I mean is, I just played through it today, and it says it took me one hour and fifty five minutes at the end. However, I go into the Wii U's daily log (playing the VC version here) and it said it took me two hours and forty seven minutes.
What I mean is, I just played through it today, and it says it took me one hour and fifty five minutes at the end. However, I go into the Wii U's daily log (playing the VC version here) and it said it took me two hours and forty seven minutes.
Relax for a minute. Yes, it did those things badly. But it did them. It doesn't matter if the environments were boring, linear corridors. It doesn't matter that powerups were so restricted and unrewarding to attain. It doesn't matter that all the music was basically monotonous white noise. The low quality of the game design doesn't change the fact that it did have a large space to explore that was full of powerups and obstacles that would require backtracking later on. It had a menacing atmosphere and a generally anxious tone. It executed all of this terribly, but technically, yes, on paper it is a Metroid game in its general concept- just realized in the most unfortunate and inept way possible.
Federation Force didn't even attempt to be a Metroid game. You didn't spend enough time in any of the missions to do the kind of exploration and backtracking the series is known for, discovering powerups to unlock new paths wasn't a thing, and the chibi/cartoony vibe was worlds away from what Metroid should be. So yes, Other M is much more of a Metroid game than FF. Why is this taboo to say? Do we all hate Other M so much that we have to take the most negative position on the game possible in every circumstance? I mean... I'm not even attempting to say anything about the game was good, but you'd think I had said it was the masterpiece of the series.
Back on track, I've got this motherfucker preordered and can't wait. I'm really glad to see Sakamoto seems to be back and regaining his confidence, since we'll very likely get an HD Metroid 5 on Switch if this does well. I can't even imagine what the visual difference will be going from 3DS to Switch.
It doesn't record time during pause screens, door loading, or when message windows are displayed.
Magicpaint
Member
1. Metroid Prime
2. Metroid Prime 2
3. Metroid Zero Mission
4. Super Metroid
5. Prime 3/ Fusion (tied)
2. Metroid Prime 2
3. Metroid Zero Mission
4. Super Metroid
5. Prime 3/ Fusion (tied)
The Metroid mission in Federation Force also nicely foreshadows the future development of the Federation.
"While you're on your mission, I want you to attempt to recover a Metroid egg, if possible. Think of all the good we could do for the galaxy if we could study such a creature..."
Wish the game had a bit more of that.
"While you're on your mission, I want you to attempt to recover a Metroid egg, if possible. Think of all the good we could do for the galaxy if we could study such a creature..."
Wish the game had a bit more of that.
The fact that Other M would actually be a better game without any forced Metroid tropes is pretty damning.
Every single Metroid element in that game is an insulting attempt at pandering at the expense of the player.
As Metroid Fusion, Prime Hunters, Prime hunter 1st hunt and Pinball showed, it's ok if you try something different with Metroid as long as its competent.
People aren't mad at Other M because it doesn't tick the correct boxes, they don't like it because it doesn't do anything right but put surface element that people liked in other games in a sad attempt to try to make palatable elements that are woefully bad.
If FF manages to do its mission structure well and is fun enough, it doesn't NEED to be like usual Metroid game with backtracking and sprawling exploration.
It's a spinoff 1st and foremost, Luigi Mansion doesn't need Luigi to jump through the Mushroom Kingdom to make a successful game.
Yeah of course, Other M is more of a Metroid game.
In the same way that NSMB2 is more of a Mario game than Yoshi's Island.
And btw there's no 'new paths' per se in Other M, you're always railroaded for the entirety of the game.
No exploration, unless you think following Googlemaps is somehow exploring places.
(Heck the analogy is bad as you could choose to go elsewhere irl while you don't have that choice in Other M).
The extent of large spaces are mostly sectionned off setpieces with little to do and even less to look at.
The atmosphere is indeed anxious but for all the wrong reasons and certainly nothing intentional.
It is a Metroid game in the purest sense of the name: it has the name Metroid on it and it was done by Nintendo.
Everything else that the other Metroid games try to do is absent or mangled to the point of not being recognisable.
The fact that FF didn't even try to be anything but a spinoff is to its credit IMO.
Other M put surface element here and there, but everything else is going against what Metroid is and should be.
Even though on its own term it's still rather terrible, it's even worse when you take into account that it tries to fool the unsuspecting player into thinking he's playing a Metroid game.
I'll agree that Other M is more of a Metroid game but it's certainly not better at trying to be.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
List time? ok.
1. Corruption
2. Prime
3. Fusion
4. Echoes
5. Return of Samus
6. Metroid
7. Zero Mission
8. Super
9. Other M
10. Federation Force
11. Pinball
12. Hunters
AM2R would sit proudly in the top 5 if it were an official title. I'm hoping SR will be there too!
1. Corruption
2. Prime
3. Fusion
4. Echoes
5. Return of Samus
6. Metroid
7. Zero Mission
8. Super
9. Other M
10. Federation Force
11. Pinball
12. Hunters
AM2R would sit proudly in the top 5 if it were an official title. I'm hoping SR will be there too!
So we're making lists now? Alrighty then.
1. Prime and Echoes - I can't decide which is better. Prime is more consistently good, whereas Echoes jerks around a bit, but has the best bosses and puzzles in the series.
2. Super Metroid
3. AM2R
4. Corruption
5. Fusion
6. Zero Mission
7. Other M
I haven't played or played much of the rest to count them.
I'm really looking forward to comparing MSR to AM2R.
1. Prime and Echoes - I can't decide which is better. Prime is more consistently good, whereas Echoes jerks around a bit, but has the best bosses and puzzles in the series.
2. Super Metroid
3. AM2R
4. Corruption
5. Fusion
6. Zero Mission
7. Other M
I haven't played or played much of the rest to count them.
I'm really looking forward to comparing MSR to AM2R.
D.Lo
Member
My tiers
Super Metroid
Metroid Prime = Zero Mission
Metroid Prime 2 = Metroid Prime 3
Metroid Prime Pinball
Metroid Fusion
Metroid Prime Hunters = Metroid = Metroid II
Metroid Other M = Federation Force
The last two tiers blend somewhat, OM is more playable than the original two games today, but was obviously cutting edge when released and the jank is due to age only. Same with Hunters, it was really nice at release, but being a 3D DS game it has aged. Federation Force is a totally solid game but meh.
Not a single actual bad game IMO, just some ones which have aged, are meh or have an issue or two (OM haters I do not want your opinion on that sentence, STFU).
AM2R would be on that lowest tier. It's a nice fan game but pretty janky in many ways, far from professional and steals so many assets it it was an official release it would be rightly crucified.
I'm guessing Samus Returns will jump ahead of Fusion, maybe Prime 2/3 if it's really good.
Super Metroid
Metroid Prime = Zero Mission
Metroid Prime 2 = Metroid Prime 3
Metroid Prime Pinball
Metroid Fusion
Metroid Prime Hunters = Metroid = Metroid II
Metroid Other M = Federation Force
The last two tiers blend somewhat, OM is more playable than the original two games today, but was obviously cutting edge when released and the jank is due to age only. Same with Hunters, it was really nice at release, but being a 3D DS game it has aged. Federation Force is a totally solid game but meh.
Not a single actual bad game IMO, just some ones which have aged, are meh or have an issue or two (OM haters I do not want your opinion on that sentence, STFU).
AM2R would be on that lowest tier. It's a nice fan game but pretty janky in many ways, far from professional and steals so many assets it it was an official release it would be rightly crucified.
I'm guessing Samus Returns will jump ahead of Fusion, maybe Prime 2/3 if it's really good.
CharminUltra
Member
1. Super Metroid
2. The rest
2. The rest
Hunters/Metroid 1+2 are the 'Unplayable now unless you played it when it came out' Tier. Hunters has always been unplayable, though, IMO. I'd put Metroid 1 a step above the other two, because it can be wrangled into submission, at least.
D.Lo
Member
I can't have an unbiased opinion because I played every single Metroid game upon release.
But I recently played Hunters and the issues it has are resolution (unavoidable, and an issue faced by all DS and PS1/N64 games) and control, which is actually very good but may not be worth learning how to play pointer FPS on DS for a new player today, so I possibly agree. It was genuinely great at the time though, and still has great atmosphere, art and music, so it's kind of weird that OM/FF will actually age better. Maybe a Hunters port with higher resolution and motion controls would help it come back to life.
Metroid II is IMO the most playable today of the three. It's very playable control wise, and not unforgiving like Metroid, just somewhat boring.
Metroid still has some superb art and music for a 1986 game, playing it through in a single session carefully (so not ever having to start from 30 energy and farm) is actually quite doable. It's easier than the original SMB, for example.
RadarScope1
Member
I plan to try to do this soon once I get it loaded onto my FDS. Had fun replaying Metroid 2 this summer for the first time since it was released.
D.Lo
Member
FDS is by far the best way too, it has all the extra music and sound effects missing in the western version.
One note: the expansion audio is too loud in an AV Famicom.
While I agree on the music, I think the original Metroid is kinda ugly compared to many other NES games. A lot of the sprites look rough or squished, and the recycled room layouts really get tiresome.
Though admittedly, there are way uglier NES games.
D.Lo
Member
It's certainly repetitive, but damn if this didn't look genuinely more alien than anything that came before it.
I didn't think any of the sprites looked squished either?
It would definitely be super rough to play for a newcomer though, no denying that.
TheDinoman
Member
This room is literally copy n' pasted three times in this area alone, and the worst part is that there's absolutely nothing there. There are no powerups or missle upgrades here. If you go over here, you're wasting your time.
Meanwhile, here's the same area in Zero Mission.
As you can see, they gutted out all the repeated bullshit and put in some interesting mechanics and a few missle/energy upgrades to find, as well as a mini-boss. Comparing this to the original game really makes you appreciate ZM's level design more.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
Yeah, they certainly accomplished their goal of the music and graphics working together to create environments that felt like living, breathing things- a very impressive thing to accomplish in the 8 bit era.
I love the bubbles, I'll give you that.
I think a few of them are so detailed they end up looking garbled thanks to the limited colors per sprite. Like the flies in Norfair that come out of the tubes, or the Shriekbats. The basic designs are great and some of them turned out well like the Norfair fire bugs, I'm just not a fan of how many turned out. And then you have all of them on-screen along with the technicolor areas and it's kinda overwhelming.I didn't think any of the sprites looked squished either?
It would definitely be super rough to play for a newcomer though, no denying that.
None of those are nearly as bad as Kraid though.
AmayaPapaya
Banned
Why not....
1. Echoes
2. Prime
3. Super
4. Corruption
5. Zero Mission
6. Fusion (never finished but like what I played)
7. Pinball
8. Other M
9. Hunters
10. Metroid
Didn't play the rest. Everything after Fusion is the bottom of the barrel/a spin off.
Other M, Hunters, and Pinball, I haven't played since release, so my memory is a little fuzzy on them. I remember how I felt though, and I had a good amount of fun with Pinball, and was so-so about Hunters. I felt some joy with Other M:
The controls weren't as bad as people made them out to be, if you decided to work with them. They weren't that great, though. I liked the first person mechanic, and always hoped it would return in some capacity. The bosses were really fun. Best part about the game. Exploration was good, but brain dead. The action was cumbersome (thanks to the controls), but entertaining. These things, by their selves, probably made Other M a solid 8/10 for trying some new things and not considering the past games. The story is so bad, though, and this is coming from someone who kinda gets where Sakamoto was coming from, but his execution was the worst it could have been. His concept of, "interesting character with PTSD and some personal issues" missed all its point by being drowned in sexism. I actually would like to see someone else have this take on Samus, but preferably a female. And someone who respects everything we know about her, and doesn't throw things out of left field (ala Samus v Ridley). The story did a great deal to hurt Samus' image, and Other M, as a whole. At least the cutscenes were well produced. That's all the story has. I'd like to replay it, someday, to see how my opinion changes.
As for the original Metroid, I hate it. Never finished that one cause it was way too hard, and I felt like I was torturing myself. Not a good experience.
1. Echoes
2. Prime
3. Super
4. Corruption
5. Zero Mission
6. Fusion (never finished but like what I played)
7. Pinball
8. Other M
9. Hunters
10. Metroid
Didn't play the rest. Everything after Fusion is the bottom of the barrel/a spin off.
Other M, Hunters, and Pinball, I haven't played since release, so my memory is a little fuzzy on them. I remember how I felt though, and I had a good amount of fun with Pinball, and was so-so about Hunters. I felt some joy with Other M:
The controls weren't as bad as people made them out to be, if you decided to work with them. They weren't that great, though. I liked the first person mechanic, and always hoped it would return in some capacity. The bosses were really fun. Best part about the game. Exploration was good, but brain dead. The action was cumbersome (thanks to the controls), but entertaining. These things, by their selves, probably made Other M a solid 8/10 for trying some new things and not considering the past games. The story is so bad, though, and this is coming from someone who kinda gets where Sakamoto was coming from, but his execution was the worst it could have been. His concept of, "interesting character with PTSD and some personal issues" missed all its point by being drowned in sexism. I actually would like to see someone else have this take on Samus, but preferably a female. And someone who respects everything we know about her, and doesn't throw things out of left field (ala Samus v Ridley). The story did a great deal to hurt Samus' image, and Other M, as a whole. At least the cutscenes were well produced. That's all the story has. I'd like to replay it, someday, to see how my opinion changes.
As for the original Metroid, I hate it. Never finished that one cause it was way too hard, and I felt like I was torturing myself. Not a good experience.
MrSaturn99
Member
Just wrapped a replay of Metroid II in time for this. Can't believe we'll be witnessing Metroid's 2nd revival in over a week.
Anyway, the original Prime and Super are probably my favorites, although I adore Prime 2 and the original as well. Still need to play Fusion (I have the ambassador version) and Zero Mission.
Anyway, the original Prime and Super are probably my favorites, although I adore Prime 2 and the original as well. Still need to play Fusion (I have the ambassador version) and Zero Mission.
RadarScope1
Member
Oh? As in the mix is off, I just need to turn the volume down a touch?
New music was posted up. Remix of Surface Of SR388 from the original Metroid 2.
D.Lo
Member
Mix is off. True of all expansion audio games on AV Famicom actually, but it sticks out on Metroid because the extra audio pops in and out for various things like item pickups (as opposed to playing the whole time so you 'adjust' to the mix, like Castlevania II and III.
A hardware mod can fix it, Tim's RGB mod for the original Famicom actually has a volume switch option for it.
Boy, this semi media blackout has been the toughest I've experienced lately...
Yeesh, not a fan of this remix