Yearsoflurking
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Whoever said s wouldn't be the best seller? x will be an addition for the sales of xbox one s just like the pro is for ps4
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UK: Nintendo Switch sales currently above XB1 for the year, but way below PS4
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He was responding to a person who said UK was second largest in the world. It's closer to Fifth, as you listed above.
Regardless, the UK itself is pretty much irrelevant against the overall market. It has proven repeatedly not to be predictive of the European Market as a whole. The European Market as a whole is very much relevant to the success of a Console, but one European Country, even the UK, typically means nothing. Nintendo reported Success in France, Germany and Italy would easily compensate for their average showing in the UK.
How is it really any different? New hardware about half way through and 8 year or so gen. Switch will be second half heavy while Xbox was 1st half heavy. Nintendo has effectively released 2 systems in a single gen, whereas MS and Sony released one and then upgrades. For the same sales period effectively why should we just ignore 10mil+ Nintendo units?
It is the 2nd biggest home console market, not the 2nd biggest gaming market.
yukianderson
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Some people live in alternative dimension.
Well, it's a myth. UK is in top10 (or maybe even in top5 - after Japan, US, Germany, France) for Nintendo.
small hint: there are 195 countries in the world. If UK is "one of its weakest markets", then I don't know...
Bear in mind, the previous numbers included hardware revenues but did indeed not include digital revenues. But as shown in the following chart, the revenues from digital sales aren't very high on Nintendo platforms so that move didn't have a big effect. Prices at retail are just way lower.
These numbers are only available for Europe as a whole.
JB-the-Hunter
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But he didn't even imply Brits would prefer the Switch version, just that the fact that it's on the Switch will help the system in the UK... and it will. Portable, console quality FIFA.
You said Xbox One sales are bad because Xbox One X was announced a year ago, implying that people is holding back their purchase of an S for an X.
That's not true this far into the generation.
Are you being purposely daft?
MegaManTrigger
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Title and overall premise is very weird, it's like yeah no shit the Switch isn't going to reach PS4 level sales when the PS4 had 3 years to build a solid user base (especially after MS shat themselves over PR). Doesn't really make much sense to compare them.
Bitch Pudding
Member
XBOX One S' low sales have nothing to do with "people waiting for the X".
Primethius
Banned
It's also looking at sales for just this year.
That bubble.
Boy Wander
Member
If you know anything about the UK market, you can be pretty sure that a 450 quid console isn't going to sell gangbusters.
The people waiting for the X are a relatively small number, it's a pretty niche product like the PS4 Pro.
Nintendo will have sold 10 million by the end of the year, perhaps quite a bit more. That will not mean they have met worldwide demand. Far from it.
Also, 25 million by 2020 is insanely low. Do you really think sales are going to fall completely off a cliff after this year, with Pokemon, Metroid, and probably a lot more on the horizon? That doesn't make sense at all.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Oh, there are definitly people eagerly waiting for the XOX, as we all know pre-orders have been pretty solid, given how fast it sold out everywhere. But that does not in the slightest explain the comparably (!) bad XBOX One S sales performance.
hanspampel
Banned
let's wait for H1 2018 to make any definitive statement about that.
as pointed out, XB1S sales in the US from January to May 2017 were in line with 2016 XB1 sales.
they just fall of a cliff since June.
could be, at least partially, because of people waiting for XB1X.
could be because of the lack of any first and third party killer apps this summer for the platform.
could be because the increased demand for a new console in XB1S is now fulfilled.
In the Media Create Topics you see sales drop off all the time before a new model hits the market or a big price drop happens. But usually that is just a few weeks prior the actual event happens. So this is kinda unusual this early. On the other hand, XB1X is handled unusual, too with the announcement over 1 year before launch etc...
We'll see
Soul of the Beast
Member
It probably is
There're like 20,000 people waiting for the X in the entire world.
It's not a game changer.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Switch at 25 m worldwide by 2020? Umm wut.
DeuceGamer
Member
Do we know how WW sales stack up this year? MS is in a funk that I hope they get out of soon. As someone that loved the 360 it's disappointing that I haven't had a good enough reason to pick up an XBox One yet.
Exclusives are still very important and I'd like to see them invest in that area. Probably too late for this gen if they haven't already started but would be nice to see them finish strong going into next gen.
Exclusives are still very important and I'd like to see them invest in that area. Probably too late for this gen if they haven't already started but would be nice to see them finish strong going into next gen.
Bitch Pudding
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Probably because MS wasn't worried about any major cannibalization effects. The ones eagerly waiting for the XOX - those who are ready to spend 500 bucks for a premium console - are not to be confused with those who wait four years with their purchase of a discounted / cheap console. Concerning their cost sensitiveness, they both basically occupy the respective ends of the scale from "very" to "none".
titiklabingapat
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Is there a map showing which country is what territory? Kinda like those red and blue you see for US presidential elections. Very curious.
Mexico and Brazil would be green. Japan would be colourful splat fest Splatoon style. Everything else would be PlayStation blue.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Pretty decent.
I doubt that's the main reason, though, as the price is so high and likely to cause sales to taper off after Xmas. I think that 2017 is the single worst year for Xbox software in the brand's existence and, compared to the hype behind BotW and the upcoming Mario Odyssey, X1 is just an unexciting platform by comparison. Software is what sells hardware and MS has a really shallow showing of exclusives next to PS4 and Switch for the prospective buyer. Next year will undoubtedly be better, but MS needs to keep the fresh big software flowing more consistently if they want hardware to move.
Unknown?
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If you knew Microsoft you'd know they never finish strong, even the 360 ended with a whimper. They pull out FAST when they are doing poorly to create their next machine or they let it die on the vine as they've already switched to the next system internally.
HighResTomato
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The average consumer is informed by enthusiasts and media, if the average consumer didn't give a damn Xbox would be doing much better. Xbox has had releases from all their big hitters and still are lagging this far behind.
Xbox exclusives don't exist anymore what are you talking about.
Teehee
While our home computer scene meant that the NES isn't quite as huge a cultural icon in the UK compared to NA where it saved the industry there, I don't agree that it has never been a big market for Nintendo when the Wii led the hardware sales charts for several years here and they sold millions of DS units. The UK is a major western market for computer games (after the US there's a huge drop off, obviously). When Nintendo has a hit console, I'm pretty sure they don't think ' well, we sold a bit more in France, that makes the UK and Germany not even worth thinking about'. The percentage difference between major European markets is tiny compared to US vs everywhere else.
lol you are having a laugh if you think there's a large UK segment waiting for the XB1X thus killing XB1S sales.
That thing costs £450 ($598!), a fair price for the tech maybe but enough to put off majority of customers.
AHA-Lambda
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Yeah I'm going to need receipts on those assertions cos they all seem baseless. When has the average consumer ever really been significantly influenced by enthusiasts? And in the UK especially, an area shown time and again to be a very price sensitive market, who is thinking "I ain't buying an XB1, I'll get a gaming pc instead to play forza"
It Xbox is lagging behind after their big hitters it shows those hitters aren't moving the needle anymore, which from sales threads in the past seems fair to say actually, not that people are flocking to the windows store.
And you know what I meant by the Xbox exclusives comment, don't be disingenuous.
emperor_ing
Neo Member
Honestly surprised that it's doing better than the Xbox One, but glad that it's doing well. Nintendo's appeal here is to families (which is why Wii/DS done so well) and the Game Boy generation of the 80s/90s who grew up with Nintendo as a household name. As the latter is the Switch's target market looks like it is hitting it in the right way.
Italy here.
I'd say this is a "Sony Land" nowadays.
Sony acquired a lot of new users here, after the bad launch of One: lot of people used to buy 360 switched to PS4 in 2014, literally abandoning Microsoft.
Nintendo still has a big presence but this is mainly due to 3DS and 2DS. Not certainly Switch, for now.
IlSignorCornetto
Member
Italy is Sony land but i think nintendo is doing fine at least with lots of tv ads on kids network, and other too (Ch 26, 31, 33, 40, 42, 52, 55 on the DTV)
Since March every single Tv spot for Switch aired on Kids networks. Zelda, Arms, MK8, Splatoon and now Minecraft, Fifa18 and Pokkén all had at least one tv spot.
Anecdotal evidence: lot's of people that have a PS4 here, at least in my town, are buying Switches, even non enthusiast gamer. I have never seen something like this since the wii-era.
"I'm not buying this cheap machine retailers are literally trying to throw at me to get rid of stock they can't sell because I'm waiting for the next version of that same machine that is also more than double the price."
- People.
Yes, the ads are on point. I've seen one or two of these on channel 55, this week. Indeed Switch will score good numbers in 2-3 years.
Maybe the situation differs from region to region, city to city, I don't really know: I live in south Italy and here Switch is like a "phantom"; I know only only 2 guys who bought one and -literally- 30 people with a PS4.
Stores are full of Switch too (not only Euronics and similar, but also our local Gamestops, which is incredible).
IlSignorCornetto
Member
Yeah, i can tell you that at least in first months it wasn't easy to buy a Switch right out of the box. Some media world, even today, don't even have a single unit while other shops, like Euronics, have 4 or 5, i live in North-Piedmont BTW.
I think that is really different from Wii U-era, but not something like Wii-era.
A funny one: one weekend after the launch of the console i clearly saw a little kid with a Switch during a walk. i was AMAZED.
I think that lot's of people, here, see Switch like a "complementary" console and even if they have a PS4 they are willing to buy a Switch for portability.
I am really looking forward christmas time.
Brazil would be green in the official books, counting units sold officially here.
But the grey market (which is bigger) would turn this thing really blue. But I guess those units are already counted elsewhere, US mostly
Missing a few zero's.
Maintenance
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AyraSutoraifu
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Only one.
DeuceGamer
Member
Yea, they have traditionally but I'm not even talking about after the next console is released. I'm talking about finishing strong from the release of XBOX to the release of their next console. They need to spend this time winning the consumers confidence back. Right now I feel like the majority of gamers have no confidence in Microsoft deliver anything outside of Forza, Halo, and Gears.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Curious... how are you rationalizing this?
MisterR
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That's assuming that the Xbox One continued to sell at that pace, which is highly unlikely.
MisterR
Member
People don't wait 4 years into a generation to buy a 500 half step. The people buying the X are people who are upgrading their Xbox. People joining the generation at this point are the people looking for the lowest cost entry point.