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UK: Nintendo Switch sales currently above XB1 for the year, but way below PS4
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Pjsprojects
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OléGunner;248805884 said:
Agreed,price stopped me dead. In fact it helped push me for a Pro at £329 with Uncharted legacy.
My X1S can carry on for a year or so.
Theonik
Member
The UK is a very weak Sony territory. Ms has a pretty strong foothold here as did Nintendo.
Equanimity
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phantasmic_glaive
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Dumbest shit I've ever read on here. You'll have a couple months of hurrahs and it being in the news or what not, then back down it goes. It's still an Xbox after all.
BanjoLayleeYookaKazooie
Banned
8/9 years ago was forever ago? Granted I had barley hit puberty then it can feel like a long time but I wouldn't say it's forever ago.
And they're being quite successful now so hopefully this narrative will end soon. The Wii U wasn't a success anywhere and the 3DS was only huge in Japan, relatively speaking.
Yearsoflurking
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Sony said 20% of ps4 buyers are pro consumers. Yes people will wait for a different product.
ExtinctionEvent
Banned
Not enough to make a difference in sales overall I'm sure he means, not literally no one.
hanspampel
Banned
Nintendo has been successful in middle Europe and has been very successful in south Europe
Nintendo is just much weaker (relative speaking) in the North
This is contrary to Xbox btw.
They are the weakest in the south, decent in the mid and stronger in the north
If Xbox One S demand and performance is 100% unaffected by Xbox One X and Microsoft will have the same ratio as Sony, Xbox would be in a decent sport right now...
1.385 - 1396k would be the YTD sales in the US compared to 1278k in 2016 or up 8.7% YoY
but that is not how it works.
Xbox One X does affect Xbox One S sales right now and certainly will when both are available next to each other...
Like you point out - that's only 20%. The other poster was right - people waiting this long are more concerned about price.
I mean you don't even have to look back that far. Wii U for example was still 2nd place in Germany before the arrival of the Switch, so there's that.
Yearsoflurking
Member
20% of your entire inventory is a lot, in what world is 20% Not alot? Btw I'm not saying xbox one x will magically make microsoft number 1 market leader. it's just disingenuous to say it doesn't have an impact on its sales.
Charles Brandon
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I feel like everyone is denying the SNES was popular in the UK. Yeah the NES didn't take off like it did elsewhere (although I had one and so did a few of my friends) but the SNES was everywhere, had at least four magazines dedicated to it, loads of people had one. I can't find any UK specific numbers to prove or disprove that but it didn't feel like a failure to me.
Even the N64, whilst not as popular as the PSX, was essential kit for any event that involved a bunch of lads in the same room as a TV. The mount of goldeneye I played at the end of school and at uni was ridiculous.
In summary, some people seem to think that the UK has historically been a deadzone for Nintendo, when in fact they were huge for years, only really dropping out of the zeitgeist in the Gamecube and Wii U years.
Even the N64, whilst not as popular as the PSX, was essential kit for any event that involved a bunch of lads in the same room as a TV. The mount of goldeneye I played at the end of school and at uni was ridiculous.
In summary, some people seem to think that the UK has historically been a deadzone for Nintendo, when in fact they were huge for years, only really dropping out of the zeitgeist in the Gamecube and Wii U years.
Wapplew is playing everyone like a fiddle.
BanjoLayleeYookaKazooie
Banned
Yeah it's like of course the NES wasn't a success here, Nintendo brought that on themselves, but it's daft to suggest Nintendo's other successful products didn't catch on here, they most certainly did. As you point out with the SNES/N64, but as I mentioned earlier with their handhelds, Pokémon, Mario, Wii, all successful in the UK with some being *very* successful.
They don't have as big a presence here for various reasons but there's no history to prove this 'whatdya expect Nintendo's always rubbish in the UK' narrative, unless you're referring to just the GameCube and the Wii U with that statement then... well duh.
Jaded Alyx
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I don't think the SNES was a failure but I'd be shocked if it sold more than the Mega Drive in the UK.
BradleyLove
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What?
PS1: top-selling console
PS2: top-selling console
PS4: top-selling console
That's three gens out of four.
The weakness Sony has is in the handheld market. But Sony dominating three of the last four home consoles gens is "very weak"?
DS and Wii aside, Nintendo have always been comfortably outsold.
To add some context, according to Chart-Track as of Jan 2009:
Nintendo DS 8.8 million
Nintendo Wii 4.9 million
Nintendo 64 1.3 million
Nintendo Entertainment System 1.1 million
Nintendo Super NES 1.05 million
Microsoft Xbox 360 3.2 million
Sony PlayStation 2 10 million
Sony PlayStation Portable 3.2 million
Sony PlayStation 3 1.9 million
Sega Mega Drive 2.1 million
Sega Master System 1.35 million
Can't find any figures for PS1 strangely. No GC, DC or Saturn either.
Charles Brandon
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I find it very hard to believe that the NES outsold the SNES in the UK, have you got a link to that data?
Bitch Pudding
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Why not, on a global scale, the NES outsold the SNES as well (62:49mn).
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Pretty much. Outside of the Wii being the Nintendo consoles have routinely got their ads kicked by their competitors. The handhelds got their foothold off the back of Pokemon.
Charles Brandon
Member
Because the NES was much more niche in the UK going up against the Master System, c64, Spectrum, Amiga and Mega Drive (amongst others). Where as when the SNES came around it seemed much more popular and only had the Mega Drive and Amiga for competition.
BradleyLove
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I'd probably even go so far as to say PS1 was when consoles went mainstream in the U.K.
For example, it's estimated 1.5 million Commodore Amigas were sold in the U.K. Let's not forget the Atari ST either. The UK was much more home computer oriented. I'd expect combined sales of Spectrum/Amstrad CPC/C64 to far outweighs NES/Master System sales too.
To summarise, I have no idea where these ideas of Nintendo and MS being stronger come from as the evidence doesn't back up that narrative.
Edit: Also worth pointing out, Megadrive outside SNES 2:1 despite being released in the UK two years later. Master System outsold NES despite being released 12 months later in the UK.
Source?
I have another LTD for N64 in UK as end of 2001 (bigger).
ChelseaLoveX
Neo Member
Why doesn't Nintendo just leave this market if there's not much interest for them there, focus their efforts better somewhere else?
With the Switch no longer being region locked, these people can just buy another country's version of the console/games instead.
With the Switch no longer being region locked, these people can just buy another country's version of the console/games instead.
BradleyLove
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles_by_region
Eurogamer reported PS2 had 10m sales in the UK.
Eurogamer reported PS2 had 10m sales in the UK.
clevbrowns94
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Because the Switch has been selling well enough to have been supply constrained in the country for a while, and they are doing pretty well with software sales as well. If any company should just leave a market, it should be Xbox in Japan, with their whopping 100 units sold per week. And if they are not leaving that market, no one will leave any market.
No. Wapplew is like that dude who has gone so deep undercover that he can't separate his real and his undercover self.
frankie_baby
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No their handhelds were popular well before Pokemon, the gameboy and tetris was huge when it first appeared
BanjoLayleeYookaKazooie
Banned
Careful there, you shouldn't just nonchalantly drop these genius ideas into public threads like this, never know who may be reading.
To think you could've gone all the way to the top with this genius idea, now someone else will get all the credit.
When Nintendo drops supporting a country where they sold 10%+ of their hardware last generation for no reason other than "to focus their efforts somewhere else" I'll at least remember that you deserve all the credit.
but seriously WTF???????????????????
KillerMan91
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But that is pretty much true for whole European market so you can't really single out UK and say that it has been historically weaker European market for Nintendo.
ChelseaLoveX
Neo Member
Wow, Xbox is really that horrible in JP? That's crazy! And I agree, if they're still holding on in JP with those kinds of numbers I doubt Nintendo will leave UK since they're doing much much better than that.
If you look up the sources in that wiki article you see that N64 is updated as September (?) 1999 that explain why it is lower.
Master System, Mega Drive and SNES are estimates (read: guesses) by Screen Digest which is different than sell-through data collected by Chart-Track.
So not everything is "according to Chart-Track as of Jan 2009" in what you listed.
BanjoLayleeYookaKazooie
Banned
You can literally say that about so many countries I have really lost what sort of point these people are trying to prove:
~ The N64 got comfortably beat by the PS1 in x country
~The GameCube got comfortably beat by the PS2 in x country
~ The Wii U got comfortably beat by the Xbox One/PS4 in x country
~ The main attraction of this particular Nintendo handheld in x country was Pokémon
It's absolutely hilarious to witness on an enthusiast site.
BradleyLove
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Fair point, but I don't think they're going to be inaccurate by millions. If you have updated figures, please share. But I don't think it'll affect the the inaccuracy of the claim that the UK is "weak" for Sony.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
True but the recent sales of the 3D and even Wii u in countries like France and germany compare much more favourablythan in the UK.
Either way it's one of Nintebdo's weaker markets generally but obviously not alone.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
the point is it'a a traditionally a weaker market than Japan U.S. and two of the major European markets currently that have a similar history. Hence the note
It'a not rocket sciences.
DS: 12.3M (as December 2010)
PS2: 10.0M (as January 2010)
XB360: 9.0M (as June 2015)
Wii: over 8.4M (as June 2013)
PS1: 7.2M (as December 2005)
GB/C: 6.6M (as December 2005, GBC only 1.5M as December 1999)
PS3: 5.9M (as June 2015)
GBA: 4.6M (as December 2005, GBA SP 2.38M as December 2005)
PSP: 3.6M (as January 2010)
XB: 2.1M (as December 2005)
N64: 1.6M (as December 2001)
GC: 1.2M (as December 2005)
DC: 0.28M (as May 2000)
EDIT:
Missed some consoles (too much files!).
Everything is rounded to the first decimal except DC.
Source: Chart-Track (in 2008 they were acquired by GFK).
Charles Brandon
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The source for SNES sales is very iffy and also printed in 1995! That's like half its life time.
BradleyLove
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In the UK we got shafted hard with SNES. If I recall correctly, games and the console itself were more expensive than the MD. Plus support was poor, so much so the first Final Fantasy game the UK got was FFVII. Plus Nintendo's notorious censorship policies had adverse affects on one of the biggest system sellers at the time, that being Mortal Kombat.
It was because of such censorship that Nintendo gained the association of it being a "kid's brand" that it never really recovered from. I remember being in secondary school at the time, and the playground bants over Mortal Kombat were superb. "Yeah, you got no blood tho". Happy days, even if the SNES version did play and look better.
MilkyJoe
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New console sells more, in the same year, than the console that has 4 years already on the market and a more powerful iteration on the imminent horizon. That is surprising.
I'll never understand this place and the obsession with sales. Can't have fun with the games unless "insert colour here" team has sold the most toys...
I'll never understand this place and the obsession with sales. Can't have fun with the games unless "insert colour here" team has sold the most toys...
BradleyLove
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Source? ;-)
I'll never understand why folks come into sales threads to complain about sales threads.
Charles Brandon
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There is a lot of truth there but despite all that, I never had it pegged as a failure. It was very popular, the amount of Nintendo dedicated magazines are testament to that. Trouble is, there is literally no way to know one way or the other. The only real data we have is Europe wide. We're just left with anecdotal stuff. Most of my mates had the SNES because we all loved SF2 in the arcades and it came to the MD only much later. But that means nothing really.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
It's interesting how a company's popularity can differ starkly depending on the region. Not entirely surprising but just interesting to see.
KillerMan91
Member
Well yes for last gen UK was relatively weaker market for Nintendo but that is only one gen. That doesn't make it historic pattern yet. Also how much 3DS has actually sold in UK, France and Germany? Quickly searching myself I found pretty comparable figures for late 2013 LTD sales. By mid december 2013 in UK 3DS had sold 2 million units. By mid november 2013 in France 2.15 million units and by end of 2013 1.83 million units in Germany. In this comparison UK doesn't strike as that much weaker market.
OrbitalBeard
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Edit - Disregard. This definitely has not been confirmed and is honestly unlikely.
If you're not interested in the business side of this industry, you're free to ignore these threads.
Rellik
Member
Haha.
So weak that people here don't call it video gaming or computer gaming. People say "Playing on the PlayStation" while they watch Champions League football complete plastered in PlayStation ads.