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Microsoft Teasing Xbox One X Forward Compatibility?
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Self_Destructive
Member
Nah. More like continued backwards compatibility.
this is how i would interpret that.
hanspampel
Banned
PCs can do it.
Why not consoles, too?
Why not consoles, too?
The Pet of the Month
Member
I'm all for the idea of iterative Xbox consoles.
With the backward compatibly titles and how they're built, as well as seeing how the Xbox One OS is evolving, I can't see the team scrapping everything and starting over.
I do think we'll see forward compatibility with future Xbox consoles.
With the backward compatibly titles and how they're built, as well as seeing how the Xbox One OS is evolving, I can't see the team scrapping everything and starting over.
I do think we'll see forward compatibility with future Xbox consoles.
MaulerX
Member
Well that's stating the obvious. At some point just like PC, mobile, whatever old hardware isn't going to cut it.
BRocknRolla
Member
I'm in no way convinced that's what this means.
I'm not convinced it would be a good thing if it were true.
I'm not convinced it would be a good thing if it were true.
Eh forward compatibility doesn't work as he may hint at. The only way it could really work is with games that have multiple rendering modes or dynamic resolution. This concept also works against the whole 'games optimized for the hardware' line of thinking. Could prove interesting with games like Titanfall 2 which could reach up to 6K but generally doesn't on current hardware. I guess it could hit 6K more often on the next Xbox, but you have to wonder how many people will still be playing it then.
LukasTaves
Member
I think it's pretty certain that the next console after Xbonex will run uwp games even better.
In fact Ms has already been advocating developers to move to UWP, as that platform allows them to scale better with hardware, here's a description of a GDC talk by ms:
In fact Ms has already been advocating developers to move to UWP, as that platform allows them to scale better with hardware, here's a description of a GDC talk by ms:
This is really what people should be taking from this imo.
Duxxy3
Member
Nah. Sales of PS4 pro have been bad enough that generationless Sony isn't going to happen.
There will definitely be a PS5.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
They will be. They've been pretty adamant about that.
tiebreaker
Member
Can't say I like the idea of forward compability, it just means games are being held back to accomodate older machines. But let's see how Xbox One X do first.
Of course it will.
I really doubt we'll see a "wasteland scenario" ever again , as in a new generation where it starts from scratch. I'm positive our current games are gonna be carried ever , at least in MS case (digitally).
Sony , well, that's up for grabs.
And Nintendo,hell no.
bitbydeath
Member
No thanks.
New console, new OS, new games.
New toys are better than enhanced existing ones.
New console, new OS, new games.
New toys are better than enhanced existing ones.
CanUKlehead
Member
I'm not a fan as well.
Unless you're telling me this heralds the glorious return of add-ons, 32X style!!!
Alexander DeLarge
Member
Doesn't it suck having to repurchase "remastered" games 3-5 years later all over again for $40-$60? Between the lack of backwards compatibility (and even where there is backwards compatibility, you're locked into whatever resolution/frame rate the game originally had due to frame rate locks and a lack of graphical options), paid online multiplayer even when the "servers" are peer2peer, the awful infrastructure, I don't know how people put up with it all.
I felt like I was getting ripped off when I bought The Last of Us remastered and the Uncharted Collection both by Bluepoint and those had a significant amount of effort put into them. I can't imagine paying for a resolution boost every hardware generation.
Self_Destructive
Member
Yea, peripheral compatibility like controllers, platform (development evironment) compatibility for devs that would still make games for present and future consoles.. ect... that sort of thing.
I'm sure that the UWP will allow for new games on say Xbox 2 to work on Xbox One and the X.. so willing that they actually can run on said hardware. It makes sense to maximize your potential user base.
I don't think it means, continued forward compatibility for all titles.. which would inhibit Xbox 2 games from truly taking advantage of the new hardware.
Imagine if Nintendo actually did this though. I would never have bought buy Donkey Kong Country 3 times over the past 10 years. Guess I'm part of the problem though now that I see that typed out.
This wouldn't be add-ons. For something to be "forward compatible" as opposed to its successor merely being "backwards compatible", it would mean that the current software would have some consideration for the fact that it will be run on more advanced software in the future. PC games inherently do this as standard, but in terms of consoles, it could be something simple like a 30fps locked game being able to run at 60fps on future hardware via an option that is currently disabled, or being able to render at resolutions beyond what the current console can run in a playable manner.
What it wouldn't mean is that 10 years from now all Xbox games still need to be playable on an Xbox One X.
More and more games ARE shopping with several rendering modes and dynamic resolution. They are also pushing 'intelligent delivery' where game installs will differ depending on the capability of the system is being installed on.
It's really not that far fetched.
I could see developers aiming to support whichever console is closest to their min pc specs so long as there is still a player base there.
bitbydeath
Member
I typically don't, I'm happy to just play and move on. Sure I want some remastered like Warhawk which would actually work in its favour as it'd rejuvenate the online as opposed to one just continuing from PS3>PS4 and instead have the audience fall away due to sitting stale for years.
rokkerkory
Member
Dont see why not... all the 360 games are fwd compatible rite?
ThatsMytrunks
Member
I'm all for backwards and forwards compatibility, and it's a growing concern when so many iPhone apps/games aren't going to work on 64-bit systems as they aren't being upgraded.
Side note:
Side note:
statham
Member
either way its sweet.
And for those games, I can see a benefit on future hardware but it's not widespread enough to be a touting as a feature IMO.
CanUKlehead
Member
I'm the guy who rarely re-reads books or rewatches movies/TV shows, so it's probably why I don't keep re-buying HD remasters. So maybe I'm 'lucky' I don't care really about re-buying games I've already played for a resolution bump on a consistent basis, but I see the issue you're talking about
No thanks, then. Really, the add-on bit was a joke, I don't want games held back to accomodate older versions.
You seem to have managed to parse effectively the complete opposite to what I was saying. I'm saying current games would take future hardware into consideration... not that future games would take current hardware into consideration.
Think of it more like this, the typical remaster you see today could have been the version of the game you bought last gen, if it were aware of the eventual more powerful console's release. Currently, even if a game becomes BC, it's still limited to the same resolutions and framerate caps that it had originally, because the prospect of more powerful hardware running the same game isn't considered.
EDIT: A good example to contrast the difference, would probably be Sonic & Knuckles. Sonic & Knuckles could be seen as being backwards compatible with Sonic 2. It makes use Sonic 2's data, but Sonic 2 had no idea Sonic & Knuckles was ever going to exist. This limits what Sonic & Knuckles can do with the game. Now Sonic 3 on the other hand is a different matter. Sonic 3 expects Sonic & Knuckles to exist at some point in the future, and has accounted for it in numerous ways, such as containing routes for Knuckles to go through, and being able to save Sonic & Knuckles progress. Sonic 3 then could be see as being forwards compatible, as opposed to Sonic & Knuckles merely being backwards compatible with it.
Digital Savior
Member
It's an interesting prospect. Even if it wasn't every game, it would be nice to see.
Biggest problem, new consoles will have a new CPU architecture. One that is so much better than current gen.
Exciting times ahead.
Biggest problem, new consoles will have a new CPU architecture. One that is so much better than current gen.
Exciting times ahead.
The potential for way better CPUs is what messes up the scenario in my head. Not much you can do to sell a game running at 10 fps.
LordBaztion
Member
I wish they require devs to add an unlocked framerate mode, so with Xbox three I can play all games at 60fps.
It can't becone widespread if they don't sow the seeds now.
Also it hasn't been 'touted as a feature' he just said that it would be in line with the companies current approach.
MilkyJoe
Member
Alx
Member
I'm pretty sure forward compatibility was explicitly part of the plan when they announced Scorpio. Also there's no reason it can't happen, especially with MS, it's basically what they've been doing with Windows since the beginning. Doing it with closed consoles only makes it easier to achieve, especially now that they're basically a PC hardware and software wise.
The Spoony Hou
Member
Well, Microsoft for sure is more trustworthy than Sony in the regard, so I'll continue my focus on the Xbox platforms. Hopefully they'll at least keep the support they've been giving to BC.
Depends on the game. For example Sonic Mania would have no problem running on last gen consoles, maybe in the future devs can support which xbox hardware they want from xbox one and onwards with very little additional programming because the tools, OS etc are universal.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Offering FC with a Jaguar CPU?!
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(Agree that he actually means BC)
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(Agree that he actually means BC)
