this. around 30fps is enough for me in native 4K - really interested to see, if the Pro can really handle it.
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Witcher 3 PS4 patch 1.50 adds Pro support out now
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this. around 30fps is enough for me in native 4K - really interested to see, if the Pro can really handle it.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Yes. There is downsampling.
Maedre
Banned
PC gamers make me sad. Not everybody has a good PC to play this game in this settings. Not everybody wants to deal with a PC even if it has the power to do so.
I had until yesterday a PC powerful enough to play this game on it. And I did not. do you can think about it why I did not? After a long day in front a many Computers I dont have the urge to start my windows gaming mashine. I can't stand windows anymore. I dont have to deal with Steam and other portals to start a game and many more reasons. After 20 years of messing with CPUs and GPUs I'm at the end of the road.
I played this game on my standard and later on my PS4 pro. Even with lower resulution and only 30 fps and when a patch emerges with the possibility to play it with better graphics the i can be happy.
But God please i dont want to play it on PC!
CyberChulo
Member
Do these enhancements apply to the DLC packs as well?
Yup.
How many 4Ks will I get on my Intel HD 520?
CyberChulo
Member
What the fuck yo?! Can I just play the game on the system I bought it for?
Rellik
Member
I own a gaming PC superior to the Pro and play it on PS4. I hope you now cry.
AbandonedTrolley
Member
Yup same here, I'll be playing this on my Pro
Really want to get back into this, but I was one of those oblivious to the fact saves do not work from hard copy to digital
Stupidly sold the game and purchased the special addition with season pass digitally.
Would love it if CDPR would work on getting that to work more than anything ..over 100 hours effectively lost
Stupidly sold the game and purchased the special addition with season pass digitally.
Would love it if CDPR would work on getting that to work more than anything ..over 100 hours effectively lost
wesleyshark
Banned
Not everyone has a gaming PC? Weird comment.
Plus, some people (shock and horror!) prefer playing games on console anyway.
The problem with the above is that there's no easy way to retrofit it into a large, sprawling legacy codebase (99% of retail releases). Also, IME many games tend to hit the 33ms CPU budget on the render-thread/command-buffer construction, the part that "has" to be 16ms for the above to work.onQ123 said:
There's nothing fake about running different portions of the runtime at different framerates. Games have been doing this for the last 40 years.Freshmaker said:
Tagyhag said:
Especially if you play sports games, chances are you have played 60fps games in the past that did exactly this and never noticed.Phatosaurus said:
Md Ray
Member
Is that bad frame-pacing?
In another comparison, Pro version holds up in areas that are actually demanding.
The load has now simply shifted more towards GPU than CPU with this patch. Those few cutscenes and Crookback bog section is very GPU-bound hence the drop in frames in those scenes, Novigrad is CPU heavy so the base PS4 is suffering more due to slower 1.6 GHz CPU compared to Pro's 2.13 GHz.
dr_rus
Member
Depends on a game. Many games are already created like this for years. But for some of them supporting HDR would require a huge change in the art assets.
JustinJ004
Banned
Same here although I did it mid way through a game+ playthrough that was just ramping up into the DLC's...
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
Na. Ill play it on console. Along with a ton of current gen console only exclusives you cant play on PC
AyraSutoraifu
Member
This is more your loss than a back at you comment, playing the game on pc offers more than just a resolution and frame rate bump, the mods available for this game are game changers In incredible positive ways, if its a shooter i get it, got friends to play with on consoles, but a SP game? The advantages of modding your games are so many, thats the real deal about pc gaming, frame rates and resolution bumps are not the true winner here, Having a gaming pc and not taking advantage of it is like having a ferrari and decide to ride the bus to work...
Still great update for ps4 pro, i do have a pro for exclusives, this game is phenomenal and is great to see that after two years of release is still being supported by CDPR.
Lol, lets not get carried away.
KainXVIII
Member
Cannot imagine playing Witcher 3 without All Quest Objectives On Map, Auto Apply Oils and Colored Map Markers mods =)
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Is that bad frame-pacing?
In another comparison, Pro version holds up in areas that are actually demanding.
This is pretty good. I'm sure the Boost mode helped eliminate these OG drops pre-patch but it's still great to see the Pro version, even at 4K, is forming well in the choke points.
The bogs have always been a sore spot for the console versions so a few drops there aren't that surprising either. But maintaining this kind of performance at 4K is amazing.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
For 1080P owners, is the patch better than running the game on boost mode?
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
It has downsampling, so yes.
the feel of 60 fps
almost certain I have seen this in the witcher already when characters are at a certain distance, they run at a slower frame rate.
Equanimity
Member
Yup. I would choose the 4K patch over boost mode.
This is yet untested - it could be that the supersampling costs a lot so that framerate will be worse.
Supersampling costs the same as rendering in 4K. AFAIK it does have a little worse performance in the swamp area, but otherwise mostly the same or sometimes even better.
In my tests, it ran quite fine - but I stopped playing while it wasn't fully optimized yet for PS4, so I never experienced that period. So to me personally, it runs much better than ever before.
Still has bugs, though, I had some extensive missing audio even though I freshly rebooted before playing.
xion4360
Member
No. Downsampling costs literally nothing.
This is 2160p checkerboard according to DF
Improved texture filtering.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-heres-what-the-witcher-3-looks-like-on-ps4-pro
Improved texture filtering.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-heres-what-the-witcher-3-looks-like-on-ps4-pro
Well, let's put it that way - yes, it costs as much as 4k but we don't know if boost mode has better fps than the patched version but this can't really be tested, unless there is someone with an unpatched version of the game.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Played about 2 hours of it last night and it looked really sharp. I was about 30 hours into a playthru when I stopped last year, now I can barely remember what was happening. Looking forward to playing thru the expansions for the first time. Can anyone give a rough figure for how long they take?
xion4360
Member
yes boost mode had better performance than patched.
Hmmmm. I own a Tesla and walk to work. Where does that fit in this analogy? Im always baffled when people decide that someone else is making incorrect life decisions. How hard is it to simply accept that someone likes playing games on their console?
ScaryShark
Banned
Imagine caring this much how and where someone else plays a game.
depends, if you only want to do the main quests and the most important sidequests I would say between 7 to 10 for HoS and between 12 and 15 for BaW. But especially BaW has a lot of content, you could easily spend 25+ hours clearing out all the things.
endlessflood
Member
Digital Foundry tested the Witcher 3 to death, so it's easy to see how it ran at all of the various stages. With every patch CDPR promised to have fixed the PS4 frame rate, and DF always tested (normally they didn't actually fix it, and some patches actually made the performance worse). By the end CDPR had done a great job though, and it was only really in Novigrad that the PS4 version dropped frames.
Boost mode on the PS4 improved on that, and meant it became basically locked 30fps. We know from the VG Tech video that the downsampled version will have slight drops in Crookback Bog and some cutscenes, and average 29+ fps.
vgtech framerate comparison for patch 1.51 on amateur and pro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8grLbCSldkQ
Perhaps the pro patch might need some further optimization...
Interesting. I imagine drops like that are very rare though.
The Division likely uses a temporal injection technique. The Division, ACO and the Witcher 3 are not native 4K. You can do dynamic resolution with CBR, we see the same technique used in BF1.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Thanks. Yea I'm not planning on going all out on them. Just the main quests and bigger sidequests.
Yup, it's a very nerdy way of making fun of those "FauxK lol why bother" clowns / snobs.
xion4360
Member
I think its clear that its not native, just harder to tell what technique they are using.
thelastword
Banned
No, it's only a pro patch. I think they would need to develop with FP16 in mind, perhaps their new title. F1 used it, but I'm not sure we've seen a DF video on that, results seems to be pretty good though. I think if anything the games to look out for fp 16 this year are Ubisoft and Bethesda titles.
I think this title might be doing dynamic 4k, if anything, I don't think there's a lock or confirmation as to exactly what's going on however....
Viewing CBR under closer scrutiny is great for the technical knowledge, but you must still remember that usually DF/NX use 800x zoom to notice those differences under scrutiny. Nobody here plays at 800x zoom and with normal viewing distances, native and CBR are pretty much indistinguishable....
They told me that PS4 was locked 30fps on this game, but as I said it still fell below 30fps in the swamps and some of the DLC fell even further when traversing and approaching new towns/settlements....vgtech framerate comparison for patch 1.51 on amateur and pro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8grLbCSldkQ
Perhaps the pro patch might need some further optimization...
The swamp performance on the PRO is not ideal. Pro performs well enough in other sections, but the swamp has been the achilles heel and of course cutscenes as well... I have always maintained that this game is more GPU bound than CPU and I think the evidence has this holding true.....
Absolutely, the place where it struggles most is in crookback bog, a GPU heavy section, also in the cutscenes. That has always been my stance on it...People talk about Novigrad, but PRO seems to be doing fine in Novigrad....
They might have to patch things to get the bog to run better on PRO, as the other sections run well...I'm pretty sure they can do something to cutscenes too...It must also be highlighted, that the sections where the PRO drops frames are the same sections where the base PS4 had issues initially.....
That may be it, but yes, this game is pre-dominantly GPU bound...Therefore, I think they could implement a nice performance mode at 1080p, with some best-med settings etc..If they do that and fix the bog and cutscene issues on the PRO, this patch will be good.
Who are most people? Most people said this patch would never happen, that's what I remember. Moving forward, I always wanted CB 4k and and a 1080p unlocked/performance mode, and felt that would be the best way to do a patch for this game..So I'm not sure where you are sourcing this concensus on 1440p...Witcher at 4k with some settings dialed down was always plausible on the refreshed consoles...So I'm not sure how 1440p was ever ideal....
So just like Forza 7? Well I guess, Nxgamer agrees with that. Yet, my take on it was after seeing his video though....KageMaru said:
Well the shadows here....
PS4
PS4 PRO
And DF seems to agree that filtering is improved on PRO, so I guess we need a more thorough take on it, but there's no doubt that higher resolution boosts detail in many scenarios. On the PS4 you could not see the laces on the guy's boots on the execution platform (elsewhere in that video), but now you can see it clearly on PRO. It may be that some sliders were improved for PRO as well. So at this point everything is not conclusive till a more thorough investigation..
It's not clear that it's not "Native" because the method that people usually use to find out the native resolution of a game no longer work & now we have to look for signs/artifacts that let you know what rendering techniques are being used.
I wasn't necesarilly disputing the validity of his claims, but the predicability of his posts.
And fwiw, there is no blanket "4k vs CB is always a massive contrast". It depends on the implementation. There's games where the CB artifacts are hardly noticable, then others where it is obvious.
In any case, there's countless DF analysis videos that claim that unless you're sitting less than 2ft away from your display, you're likely not to notice.
Its texture assets, LOD and other fidelity settings that really showcase the benefits of playing on a well spec'd PC.
Most people who have commented on this patch in the previous thread. Many had hoped for 1800p or 4K CBR but I think most expected 1440p, especially when you consider they originally said they weren't releasing a patch.
No not just like Forza 7. The differences we're seeing in Witcher isn't on objects miles away. There's a difference between a higher sample rate due to increased resolution and better LOD.
Well the shadows here....
PS4
PS4 PRO
And DF seems to agree that filtering is improved on PRO, so I guess we need a more thorough take on it, but there's no doubt that higher resolution boosts detail in many scenarios. On the PS4 you could not see the laces on the guy's boots on the execution platform (elsewhere in that video), but now you can see it clearly on PRO. It may be that some sliders were improved for PRO as well. So at this point everything is not conclusive till a more thorough investigation..
Yes higher resolution boosts detail in the scene, that was my point to begin with.
Backfoggen
Banned
Take a pic of the PC version running at 4k and compare them. Is it not as sharp? Then it's not native. Then you can figure out what technique they're using. It's really not like you can't tell the difference. It's pretty obvious.