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New Danganronpa V3 Spoiler Thread
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BlueBadger
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It really is a shame that Leon's execution remains one of the best.
I get that they wanted to go for more comedic shock than pure shock after that, but it managed to be ridiculous while still being very painful to watch due to how realistic it still was. Just straight up being hit by 1000 baseballs.
I get that they wanted to go for more comedic shock than pure shock after that, but it managed to be ridiculous while still being very painful to watch due to how realistic it still was. Just straight up being hit by 1000 baseballs.
BlueBadger
Banned
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
That ones too goofy for me. I like the black silhouette one with his finger over his lip better
BlueBadger
Banned
That one, too. The first time I saw that one was pretty fucked
Wah soorrrryyyyyy!
That's why I don't like chapter 3. The people saying "vote now" technically weren't wrong. Also the potential of the trial to be one of the best in the series was there. Two murders happening during the same trial, by two different people, leading one to get away with it would have been amazing and a great setup for chapter 4. Would have been a first for the series too. Someone who participated in the killing game get away with a kill. Plus having the other survivors have to interact with them knowing that this person has killed one of them, and how'd they'd treat them after that.
So much potential with that new rule being added, yet nothing is done with it, only that we know who the killer is by the halfway point of the trial.
The black silhouette one is definitely the best Oma sprite.
Chapter 3 should've def been voting for the Blackened and the second murderer gets away causing anxiety and kills someone else in Chapter 4. Would've been much more interesting especially with the whole VR thing cuz you're not sure who is actually going around killing people.
Def a missed opportunity.
Def a missed opportunity.
BlueBadger
Banned
Yeah, I still don't really understand the point of DR V3 introducing that rule about 2 blackened, then not actually following through with it or taking advantage of it?
Kind of a let down. I hope the next DR game (if there is one) does something like this.
This will be in my dreams tonight.
Kind of a let down. I hope the next DR game (if there is one) does something like this.
This will be in my dreams tonight.
Fucking lol
In the Chapter 2 trial when Kirumi tries to play to gain everyone's sympathy going all "guys I care about you I can't let you vote for me", Korekiyo is the only one who cuts in saying "you know she could've played y'all these last few days for our trust right" and Himiko and Miu instantly go "wow you're fucked up bro" even though he's right
Why'd they have to grind his character down like that in chapter 3 smh
In the Chapter 2 trial when Kirumi tries to play to gain everyone's sympathy going all "guys I care about you I can't let you vote for me", Korekiyo is the only one who cuts in saying "you know she could've played y'all these last few days for our trust right" and Himiko and Miu instantly go "wow you're fucked up bro" even though he's right
Why'd they have to grind his character down like that in chapter 3 smh
The Bankslammer
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BlueBadger
Banned
Omg LMAO
Looks like I just scored a new lock screen
I'm wondering whether or not they just wrote themselves into a corner when it came to him. They came up with nifty ideas but had no idea how to follow it up in subsequent chapters, or who they'd even kill in his place. It can't be Himiko because someone in that friendship triangle needed to be the one to get "character development" out of it. Miu seems like the only other option as a killer, which it couldn't have been either because otherwise they'd have to rewrite Chapter 4's VR approach entirely (and by extent not treat her character like roadside garbage either).
It's interesting things like that which makes me still wish Kaede tried the death trap but that the killer ended up being Shuichi, cause I really appreciated how DR2 had two characters who attempted murder as part of the main cast throughout the game. DRV3 could've made that into "the protagonist actually tries to kill, and now has to regain everyone's trust throughout the game". Would've liked to see how characters like Ryoma, who was willing to die, would've interacted with her after the fact, especially since he's one of the main characters of the chapter that follows Kaede's murder attempt.
BlueBadger
Banned
Umm. What????
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Its fantasies right? I mean that sounds pretty bad but still. I expected unique CG for each but maybe not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyJ7UihvVNA
Guess most people don't know since they generally don't want anything to do with him.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
HOW DO I S RANK IT. I got the two Monodams and 20+ combo but it gave me a B. Is it the amount of money I bet? I only had a grand.
I was so pissed. People were like its an S!
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
You need like a 40+ combo and one/two monodams.
What I do is memorize the spot of two fish of each color and only use my eye if I forget or need it. Don't rush because it ruins your combo then monodam is worth less. Monodam starts to show up at the 20s mark, so if you are at like 3k just look for him
Royal_Phalanx
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I wonder if the writers fridged Kaede because they didn't want to leave their comfort zone of "awkward shy male protagonist who finds confidence because of pretty girl he likes getting killed". I had similar ideas on how Kaede could have a cool plot arc, but alas we have what we have. I too was hoping for 2 murderers because that would be cool to have the unpunished murderer amongst everyone and has to interact with everyone with them knowing they killed someone. Would be a cool relationship dynamic to build up on. The biggest criticism I have of this game is how they revert to old DR tropes and not try anything new. Case 4 was basically kind hearted buff muscular character gets killed from 1 and 2 case.
I remember when I was on the demo thread with people worrying that Kaede wasn't the actual lead for the majority of the game. I was pretty worried too, so I deliberately spoilt myself on it and lo and behold, I was disappointed and lost a lot of my excitement for the game. I remember my DR2 LTTP thread where I said "I think I'll like Kaede". I thought welp, I don't have to worry about liking her anymore, because she ded, lol.
About Miu: I don't really know why she would suddenly want to leave so bad. I mean, I wish she succeeded to kill that little prick Kokichi but still, I don't see why she'd be so desperate. And I don't know why I'm so upset over Kaede lol. I usually don't care about stuff like this. I guess if they want you to feel righteous fury at her death and to put yourself in Shuichi's mindset they definitely succeeded. Wish it wasn't at the cost of a otherwise nonexistent mainstream VN female protagonist though.
Scrum debate: Is Kaede a protagonist. Was debating this in my mind earlier. The lack of character development and content suggests to me, no she is not. She's a main character but I'm really doubting her protagonistness.
I remember when I was on the demo thread with people worrying that Kaede wasn't the actual lead for the majority of the game. I was pretty worried too, so I deliberately spoilt myself on it and lo and behold, I was disappointed and lost a lot of my excitement for the game. I remember my DR2 LTTP thread where I said "I think I'll like Kaede". I thought welp, I don't have to worry about liking her anymore, because she ded, lol.
About Miu: I don't really know why she would suddenly want to leave so bad. I mean, I wish she succeeded to kill that little prick Kokichi but still, I don't see why she'd be so desperate. And I don't know why I'm so upset over Kaede lol. I usually don't care about stuff like this. I guess if they want you to feel righteous fury at her death and to put yourself in Shuichi's mindset they definitely succeeded. Wish it wasn't at the cost of a otherwise nonexistent mainstream VN female protagonist though.
Scrum debate: Is Kaede a protagonist. Was debating this in my mind earlier. The lack of character development and content suggests to me, no she is not. She's a main character but I'm really doubting her protagonistness.
Yeah, early on I wanted Kiyo to not actually be a complete psycho myself. CH 3 was definitely annoying in that regard. And even if he was a complete psycho then at least take advantage of the free kill and make someone else the blackened for effect.
Also, I'm kinda disappointed no one tried to kill Shuichi, especially after he was warned people would probably go after him because they all know that he's the best at solving cases. As for killing Kaede, I preferred her as a protag but it's pretty obvious they did it for the emotional hit. It's one of the few places they haven't gone, so they went there.
Also, I'm kinda disappointed no one tried to kill Shuichi, especially after he was warned people would probably go after him because they all know that he's the best at solving cases. As for killing Kaede, I preferred her as a protag but it's pretty obvious they did it for the emotional hit. It's one of the few places they haven't gone, so they went there.
What if Shuichi was the victim of Case 1 and Rantaro was the killer
Maybe Rantaro would've known as the "Ultimate Survivor" that the Ultimate Detective is always bad news in the Killing Games, because they solve EVERYTHING
People probably too busy pointing out that Miu basically did the same to Shuichi as well
Maybe Rantaro would've known as the "Ultimate Survivor" that the Ultimate Detective is always bad news in the Killing Games, because they solve EVERYTHING
People probably too busy pointing out that Miu basically did the same to Shuichi as well
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
They could've done way more with Kiyo like Celeste. Like yes make them the blackened that's fine but eh...
They both fill the same role of being smart/observational/helpful in trials and investigations but not to Byakuya or Kyoko levels but being reserved enough that you cant trust them
Then they do a stupid murder and its obvious its them the whole time
They both fill the same role of being smart/observational/helpful in trials and investigations but not to Byakuya or Kyoko levels but being reserved enough that you cant trust them
Then they do a stupid murder and its obvious its them the whole time
I've said this before but if they make a light novel or non-game spinoff of Danganronpa 52 with Rantaro as protagonist, Tsumugi is totally gonna be his love interest and they're going to make it as lovey-dovey as possible. Right up until the very end when they offer to sacrifice each other for the next season in the hopes of a better future, just to make the fact that Tsumugi is chosen to mastermind V3 and her killing Rantaro in the first chapter all more "tragic".
They both got turned into suckers by Team DR.
They both got turned into suckers by Team DR.
Yea, I liked that you were switching roles in the final trial to see what they were thinking. They should consider that for future sequels.
That's pretty much exactly why they did it. That, in addition to the self insert factor, various fanservice moments with the girls and the Love Hotel sequences are all reasons why the protagonist shift was Kaede ---> Shuichi instead of the other way around. It's hard to take the game's "anyone could die!" vibe at face value, when the odds were incredibly stacked against Kaede. I spoiled myself, but I probably would have figured out the twist in advance. Because if you think about it, Kaede doesn't at all feel like a traditional protagonist at all. She spends a good deal of chapter 1 being Shuichi's cheerleader and there are several instances where the player is divorced from her thoughts. If I'm being honest, Kaede left a bad taste in my mouth because of how cynical of a character she was (heh), even if her personality was kickass.
As an aside, I don't think "awkward shy male finds confidence because his waifu died" descriptor applies to Hajime (the God), and fits more with Komaru, who often goes overlooked.
If I had to rank the protagonist's I'd probably go:
Hajime > Shuichi > Kaede > Naegi's
For as much flack I give the game for Kaede's death, I really ended up liking Shuichi. To the point where I would have preferred if they hadn't bothered with the fakeout nonsense in the first place.
Royal_Phalanx
Member
I wouldn't have cared if they marketed Shuichi as the lead from day 1. But don't give me an interesting female lead that I like and then pull that shit, dude. Especially in a medium that just doesn't do female leads. That reason is why I feel so strongly about it, probably. I honestly think that if she got more character development like Shuichi did then Kaede>Shuichi for sure. I feel she's just more interesting and a breath of fresh air.
I don't agree with the whole "Shuichi best protagonist ever" thing though. Hajime is and always will be simply the best.
Kaede died so we could get the best protag in the series. Shuichi got great character development throughout, but part of me does wish that Kaede could have stayed the protag. Though I don't think her current personality would have worked the same way it was if she remained the protag. We would have just had Makoto all over again with the constant "BELIEVE IN EACH OTHER NO MATTER WHAT" shtick. She's already confident enough so giving Shuichi's character arc to her wouldn't work. Maybe reversing their personalities would have worked, but that'd defeat the purpose of the whole thing since both would be drastically different characters.
The idea of her still trying to kill Rantaro, but failing, getting found out, and having to earn everyone's trust back would have been a good way to avoid this though.
The idea of her still trying to kill Rantaro, but failing, getting found out, and having to earn everyone's trust back would have been a good way to avoid this though.
Trigonometrize.
Member
He was not only insane, he was like the counterpart of Naegi, Hope until now was the equivalent of the "good side of the force", here it's twisted and it felt like something new. The charcter just felt very original and threatening at the same time, without Nagito, Danganronpa 2 wouldn't be nearly as entertaining as it was in my opinion.
Thing is the game kind of builds against doing that in the finale. There are several key moments in later chapters where Shuichi needs to actually apply what Kokichi has been trying to convey for the entirety of the game, in that you shouldn't trust anyone. As much as Kokichi is a liar and a jackass, he's ironically enough the biggest realist. It's why Chapter 4 is partially such an emotional heavy weight because believing Gonta committed the crime is hard. The difference to me though is that there's never really much of a frame of reference for Shuichi and how he chooses to believe people. As a detective he's forced to believe that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and he kind of gets over his lack of assertion by the end of the first chapter.
I just imagine if they knew how to properly write it, there'd be more of an evident arc in how Kaede can maintain her optimism while still realizing she can't just blindly believe everyone. She's established to have a propensity for lying to reach her goals, so I really wonder whether the Kaito/Kokichi rivalry would've been more evident when she's caught in the center of it - especially since Kokichi takes a visible liking to her in both the demo and main game. So there's this whole potential of, while Kaede could stand to learn a thing or two from him, he himself is a dangerous reminder of who she potentially could become if she becomes too embroiled by her own cynicism.
Then again this is the problem with speculating and "what ifs". If she were a protag she'd likely be written way different as it is.
Brock Reiher
Banned
You think youve seen the worst, but mannnn
I also like that by the time the game is over, you learn that Kokichi was the smartest one and basically the hero. He's just a jackass, but dude thought the world was completely destroyed and still game up with an elaborate plan to get them out of the situation.
Star Orpheus
Member
He's also extremely popular with shippers.
https://phantomstatistician.tumblr.com/post/161738026051/fandom-danganronpa-character-hajime-hinata
Stats from fanfiction.net if you were wondering, it's a fa imaging thing to see how fandoms view certain characters.
But yeah if Saihara was advertised as the lead I would be much less harsh on this game.
Brock Reiher
Banned
Am I missing something when people use their last names to refer to characters? I know it technically comes first in the Japanese version but people usually use the first name to refer to each other anyway yeah? Like nobody calls Josuke 'Higashikata' in Jojo.