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[Tarrin]

I don’t think there’s a ‘problem’ as such. I’m still happy enough playing on my PS4 without crossplay. But it’d still be pretty nice if they allowed it.

This.

Crossplay would be great. Hopefully we get it implemented soon. Well I mean cross console wise. We already have PS4 x PC and Xbox x PC.

 

[Liliana Eileen]

no phil, sony doesn't need to say shit.
they are the market leaders here and don't need to answer to you.
sucks to not have crossplay but i really don't see why sony would ever implement it when all it does is aid the underdog business wise.
players have lived long enough knowing the different platforms, they won't die all of a sudden due to few crossplay titles.
sit down.

Sit down? Because he's answering questions?

Again, and this time with a matching avatar. I'll just throw this here:

Get that fanboy bullshit out of here. There has been a plathora of PS4 only owners asking for this for months now, including a petition topic aimed at Sony by someone who doesnt even own an Xbox.

Also, you're lying about userbase here when it comes to Minecraft, the main game Phil cares about being crossplay, and the main thing talked about here (like Sony's stupid for the children excuse). Xbox One has a much bigger userbase than PS4 and Xbox 360 has a much bigger user base than PS3. Then, when you combine iOS, Android, PC, Switch and all the other platforms with Xbox, it's infinitely worse. Sony's user base is a speck of sand compared to the combined other userbase.

Lastly, how do you explain actual developers (Psyonix for RL) asking for this? Are they Xbox execs and Xbox fans, too?

Your mindset is quite sad.

 

[Rumblebones]

no phil, sony doesn't need to say shit.
they are the market leaders here and don't need to answer to you.
sucks to not have crossplay but i really don't see why sony would ever implement it when all it does is aid the underdog business wise.
players have lived long enough knowing the different platforms, they won't die all of a sudden due to few crossplay titles.
sit down.

This is pathetic, honestly.

"Sit down"? I pray you're not an adult.

It's not just Spencer that wants crossplay. Developers all across the industry want it.

And so do lots of PS4 owners.

 

[Head.spawn]

Get that fanboy bullshit out of here. There has been a plathora of PS4 only owners asking for this for months now, including a petition topic aimed at Sony by someone who doesnt even own an Xbox.

Also, you're lying about userbase here when it comes to Minecraft, the main game Phil cares about being crossplay, and the main thing talked about here (like Sony's stupid for the children excuse). Xbox One has a much bigger userbase than PS4 and Xbox 360 has a much bigger user base than PS3. Then, when you combine iOS, Android, PC, Switch and all the other platforms with Xbox, it's infinitely worse. Sony's user base is a speck of sand compared to the combined other userbase.

Lastly, how do you explain actual developers (Psyonix for RL) asking for this? Are they Xbox execs and Xbox fans, too?

Your mindset is quite sad.

The funny thing about these arguments that people have boasting about the difference in userbase/playercounts is they hardly relate to reality. Sure some games have bigger bases on PS4, not all though and if we're talking Minecraft, the ex-Pocket Edition, currently updated to Better Together userbase (iOS/android) has more downloads than the entire amount of PS+ subscribers... and that's just one part of the community.

 

[bitbydeath]

Poor Phil, why do Sony play with PC but neglect the Xbox. Sad times.

 

[PuppetMaster]

The actual embarrassing thing is seeing people defend a corporation's decision to limit consumers.

We don't need to defend or justify Sony. We are just trying to explain real world economics to some of you.

The world we live in is not some hippy utopia. It is driven by competition. And in any healthy competition there will be winners and losers. Xbox is the loser this gen. People just need to deal with it.

 

[Snakeyes]

The most amazing part of all this though is Nintendo being open to cross play. Never saw the day coming. (they also allow username changes, checkmate psn )

It's honestly not that much of a surprise. Unlike the other two, Nintendo makes most of their money on hardware and first-party software, which they see as the primary sales driver of the former. Your friends being able to play third party games with you on Switch without owning one doesn't matter as much to Nintendo because as far as they're concerned, your friends should first and foremost be buying a Switch to play Nintendo games.

What matters most to Nintendo is having full creative control over their IP, being free to experiment with their hardware and maintaining a relatively clean image for the family market. I feel that even DS/Wii era Nintendo would have been fine with crossplay if there was an opportunity to make it happen.

 

[Mubrik]

Sit down? Because he's answering questions?

Again, and this time with a matching avatar. I'll just throw this here:

avatar. really? lol
throw the quote into the bin and face reality..
i don't care about cross play, others do? sure.
will sony implement it? no.
put yourselves in sony shoes and see it gains them almost nothing business wise (but maybe goodwill from few players), in fact it might have adverse effects so why would they do this?
it sucks not having it. but we've seen sony stick to decisions like this and not budge. EA access anyone?.
how many threads does this make?.
well, this is a gaming forum i guess, i'll try not to tamper hopes..

maybe my sit down comment was rude. apologies
but honestly i had gotten tired of seeing this discussion over and over, and he seemed to always be the one to have something to say.

This is pathetic, honestly.

"Sit down"? I pray you're not an adult.

It's not just Spencer that wants crossplay. Developers all across the industry want it.

And so do lots of PS4 owners.

it's good to want things
it's better to know if you can get it.

it takes nothing from me if cross play is enabled, i am not against this.
i'm just pointing out what i feel is clear and not trying to offend anyone while at it

 

[Head.spawn]

avatar. really? lol
throw the quote into the bin and face reality..
i don't care about cross play, others do? sure.
will sony implement it? no.
put yourselves in sony shoes and see it gains them almost nothing business wise (but maybe goodwill from few players), in fact it might have adverse effects so why would they do this?
it sucks not having it. but we've seen sony stick to decisions like this and not budge. EA access anyone?.
how many threads does this make?.
well, this is a gaming forum i guess, i'll try not to tamper hopes..

maybe my sit down comment was rude. apologies
but honestly i had gotten tired of seeing this discussion over and over, and he seemed to always be the one to have something to say.

There are thousands of other threads for you then.

What is the point in going into a thread you don't care about and telling people you don't care and trying to stifle conversation?

If you have a problem with him answering interviewers questions in general, maybe you can send notice to journalists to stop asking him about it.

 

[PerfectFlaw]

Yeah, lets not talk anymore about racism! We already talk too much about it, right?

For all the talk about embarrassing fanboy posts, I'm surprised how the most embarrassing post in this thread didn't get quoted once.

Comparing a real problem like racism that needs to be talked about and more to something like crossplay which most people understandably don't care about is such a bad attempt at an argument. Just stop.

 

[Mubrik]

There are thousands of other threads for you then.

What is the point in going into a thread you don't care about and telling people you don't care and trying to style conversation?

If you have a problem with him answering interviewers questions in general, maybe send notice to journalists to stop asking him about it.

this is like the 4th thread i've seen and i wondered why people still bothered.
and yes i don't care i thought the writing on the wall was clear enough after the few discussions.
but you're right, i'll take my leave.
apologies

Nobody cares that you're tired of seeing threads and can't understand why it bothers people. Coming into the thread and talking about how this benefits Sony's business and corporate standpoint and then trying to stifle/shut down conversation because your feel your plastic box is being threatened goes against everything GAF stands for. Good riddance!

you're clearly hurt.

 

[TheUnsunghero26]

We don't need to defend of justify Sony. We are just trying to explain real world economics to some of you.

The world we live in is not some hippy utopia. It is driven by competition. And in any healthy competition there will be winners and losers. Xbox is the loser this gen. People just need to deal with it.

No, they don't. If people feel strongly about cross play, they should make their voices heard. I would love to play with my friends who only have PS4s. I understand Sony is a business. I understand they have the largest player base, and therefore the least reason to allow crossplay. That doesn't mean we should accept it and move on. As consumers, we should want what is best for us, not what is best for the company. Will demanding Sony allow crossplay work? Perhaps not, but for those who want it, it's certainly better than doing nothing.

 

[bitbydeath]

There are thousands of other threads for you then.

What is the point in going into a thread you don't care about and telling people you don't care and trying to stifle conversation?

If you have a problem with him answering interviewers questions in general, maybe you can send notice to journalists to stop asking him about it.

These threads would barely last two pages if you didn’t have people arguing the other side.

Think of the thread count man!

 

[ronaldthump]

maybe Microsoft should stop trying to talk for sony

either way, its clear they're trying to leverage this to look like the good guy.

Don't forget this is the hypocrite that talk about exclusivity and then they're trying to lock down PUBG.

 

[Liliana Eileen]

We don't need to defend or justify Sony. We are just trying to explain real world economics to some of you.

The world we live in is not some hippy utopia. It is driven by competition. And in any healthy competition there will be winners and losers. Xbox is the loser this gen. People just need to deal with it.

So you ignore my post, which debunks the entirety of your pathetic corporate apologist original post, but keep on talking about Xbox losing this gen (lol) like it matters when this is mostly about Minecraft where, in fact, Sony has the vastly smaller userbase? So, Psyonix just need to deal with no complete crossplay Rocket League because "Xbox is the loser?" The fuck?

this is like the 4th thread i've seen and i wondered why people still bothered.
and yes i don't care i thought the writing on the wall was clear enough after the few discussions.
but you're right, i'll take my leave.
apologies

Nobody cares that you're tired of seeing threads and can't understand why it bothers people. Coming into the thread and talking about how this benefits Sony's business and corporate standpoint and then trying to stifle/shut down conversation because your feel your plastic box is being threatened goes against everything GAF stands for. Good riddance!

No, they don't. If people feel strongly about cross play, they should make their voices heard. I would love to play with my friends who only have PS4s. I understand Sony is a business. I understand they have the largest player base, and therefore the least reason to allow crossplay. That doesn't mean we should accept it and move on. As consumers, we should want what is best for us, not what is best for the company. Will demanding Sony allow crossplay work? Perhaps not, but for those who want it, it's certainly better than doing nothing.

This is pathetic, honestly.

"Sit down"? I pray you're not an adult.

It's not just Spencer that wants crossplay. Developers all across the industry want it.

And so do lots of PS4 owners.

Yep. Thank you.

 

[bitbydeath]

Here, let me help you from the developer side of things:

No, it doesn’t.

Ahh, I KNEW IT!!
Always thought that was shady.

 

[elyetis]

but honestly i had gotten tired of seeing this discussion over and over, and he seemed to always be the one to have something to say.

Hide Forum Threads - A Tampermonkey script for hiding unwanted GAF threads. And simply hide the key words "Cross Play".

While you do that people will happily still try to make Cross Play happen, because it's benefit every consumer, and strangely not speaking about something is usually not the best way to make things happen.

 

[2blackcats]

No, they don't. If people feel strongly about cross play, they should make their voices heard. I would love to play with my friends who only have PS4s. I understand Sony is a business. I understand they have the largest player base, and therefore the least reason to allow crossplay. That doesn't mean we should accept it and move on. As consumers, we should want what is best for us, not what is best for the company. Will demanding Sony allow crossplay work? Perhaps not, but for those who want it, it's certainly better than doing nothing.

The crossplay you're talking about is not what Phil is talking about. Having party chat and cross friends lists is not in our near future no matter what we do. They just want bigger pools of players. Which is reasonable enough.

 

[Dynomutt]

I mean the whole reason I purchased a PS4 was to avoid interacting with MS users and Xbox.

What's next Sony should release games on MS platforms? Funk that noise.

Phil Spencer....

More like Phiddler on the Roof. Man gets a promotion and starts huffing his chest. He has you all wrapped up.

 

[Bsigg12]

maybe Microsoft should stop trying to talk for sony

either way, its clear they're trying to leverage this to look like the good guy.

Don't forget this is the hypocrite that talk about exclusivity and then they're trying to lock down PUBG.

They're only publishing the Xbox version so....

Good spin though.

 

[TyMiles2012]

Here, let me help you from the developer side of things:

No, it doesn’t.

Not to savvy on this, but isn't the account only for authentication regardless of platform? I think a lot of games use Amazon for their online servers, it's just that Xbox and PlayStation are more or less gates that determine which pool of players you're thrown in with. Right?

I understand Minecraft because you're required an Xbox login for all platforms, even for Switch so Xbox login would be an API, but for Rocket League, the devs said they already did the work to enable PS4 cross play, they just need permission to flip the switch.

 

[travisbickle]

I said in the last thread these guys need to sit down and talk to each other, don't involve me because I can't do fuck all. It's up to Sony and MS to come to an agreement, not anything anyone else can do.

 

[Josman]

We don't need to defend or justify Sony. We are just trying to explain real world economics to some of you.

The world we live in is not some hippy utopia. It is driven by competition. And in any healthy competition there will be winners and losers. Xbox is the loser this gen. People just need to deal with it.

Too much common sense in this post

 

[ResoRai]

The funny thing about these arguments that people have boasting about the difference in userbase/playercounts is they hardly relate to reality. Sure some games have bigger bases on PS4, not all though and if we're talking Minecraft, the ex-Pocket Edition, currently updated to Better Together userbase (iOS/android) has more downloads than the entire amount of PS+ subscribers... and that's just one part of the community.

Yeah it's crazy. Am playing rocket league atm and there are over 80k people online. Wouldn't think it with the way people talk about how much xbox needs crossplay.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

no phil, sony doesn't need to say shit.
they are the market leaders here and don't need to answer to you.
sucks to not have crossplay but i really don't see why sony would ever implement it when all it does is aid the underdog business wise.
players have lived long enough knowing the different platforms, they won't die all of a sudden due to few crossplay titles.
sit down.

What is so bad about convenience? A convenience that allows you to play with your buddies regardless of platform? Sounds pretty good to me.

 

[TheUnsunghero26]

The crossplay you're talking about is not what Phil is talking about. Having party chat and cross friends lists is not in our near future no matter what we do. They just want bigger pools of players. Which is reasonable enough.

Fair enough, that's certainly a benefit to games with smaller player awesome. Though in the case of Minecraft, my understanding was that you could join a server with your friends, since there is no random matchmaking. I assume that's how it works between Xbox One, Windows 10, and mobile devices currently?

 

[Bsigg12]

Not to savvy on this, but isn't the account only for authentication regardless of platform? I think a lot of games use Amazon for their online servers, it's just that Xbox and PlayStation are more or less gates that determine which pool of players you're thrown in with. Right?

I understand Minecraft because you're required an Xbox login for all platforms, even for Switch so Xbox login would be an API, but for Rocket League, the devs said they already did the work to enable PS4 cross play, they just need permission to flip the switch.

Fortnite Battle Royale was literally working with crossplay because Epic "made a mistake" and disabled it. Letting players connect seems pretty trivial at this point especially if UE4 already has major support for it.

 

[TheYanger]

We don't need to defend or justify Sony. We are just trying to explain real world economics to some of you.

The world we live in is not some hippy utopia. It is driven by competition. And in any healthy competition there will be winners and losers. Xbox is the loser this gen. People just need to deal with it.

"Hippy utopia" lol. get the fuck out of here with that shit. YOU ARE A CUSTOMER. IT is strictly to your benefit for Cross play to exist. You're right, we live in consumerism, Which means you, the consumer, have the power to let the companies know that they're fucking up. The fact that people like you somehow think that's 'hippy' bullshit is fucking sad.

Just because we know WHY Sony doesn't allow it doesn't mean you should just accept it and move on, when the result is garbage for customers.

I mean, I know WHY all kinds of terrible things happen in the world, but that doesn't make them suddenly not terrible.

 

[ResoRai]

The crossplay you're talking about is not what Phil is talking about. Having party chat and cross friends lists is not in our near future no matter what we do. They just want bigger pools of players. Which is reasonable enough.

If I'm not mistaken you can add friends and chat cross platform in Minecraft.

 

[Mubrik]

What is so bad about convenience? A convenience that allows you to play with your buddies regardless of platform? Sounds pretty good to me.

and is also a good reason to be vocal on forums,
i can see that now and i agree with you.

i just felt there was zero chance at this,
hopefully it happens i guess.

 

[KageMaru]

Lol lots of odd drive bye shit posting.

Like Phil needs to focus on First party instead of complaining about Minecraft.

Of course there is shit posting. I'd be more surprised if there wasn't shit posting in threads like this.

Sit down? Because he's answering questions?

Again, and this time with a matching avatar. I'll just throw this here:

Count me in as a PS4 only owner that supports crossplay.

We don't need to defend or justify Sony. We are just trying to explain real world economics to some of you.

The world we live in is not some hippy utopia. It is driven by competition. And in any healthy competition there will be winners and losers. Xbox is the loser this gen. People just need to deal with it.

So anyone who wants crossplay is in denial? You know it's entirely possible, and very common I believe, to understand that the Xbox brand is behind but still want crossplay.

Besides in business, it hardly comes down to winners and losers. Many times it comes down to successes of varying levels. If Activision is the most successful publisher, that doesn't mean EA, Ubisoft, etc. are losers. Maybe warriors view the world as if you're not first, you're last, but that's not how the real world works.

maybe Microsoft should stop trying to talk for sony

either way, its clear they're trying to leverage this to look like the good guy.

Don't forget this is the hypocrite that talk about exclusivity and then they're trying to lock down PUBG.

His whole point is he didn't want to speak for Sony and that he thinks they should speak for themselves on why they don't allow it.

Some of you need to take a breath, comprehend what's being said, and think twice before posting.

 

[King_Moc]

But isn't it impossible to play with your friends with crossplay anyway, just with randoms? How would you send an invite from psn to xbl? And wouldn't the (remote) possibility of having identical usernames cause a problem?

 

[BlitzerRadic]

No, they don't. If people feel strongly about cross play, they should make their voices heard. I would love to play with my friends who only have PS4s. I understand Sony is a business. I understand they have the largest player base, and therefore the least reason to allow crossplay. That doesn't mean we should accept it and move on. As consumers, we should want what is best for us, not what is best for the company. Will demanding Sony allow crossplay work? Perhaps not, but for those who want it, it's certainly better than doing nothing.

Yes they do need to deal with it and accept reality. Sony has a very long history of sticking to unpopular decisions that have been widely criticized. Sony aint gonna do shit and Phil should take the hint. Its like that gif of that hairspray chick tweeting people and no one responding back.

 

[jonscrambler]

People just need to deal with it.

No, what's wrong with consumers telling companies what we want? PS4 consumers have long wanted features like folders, external hd, boost mode, custom friend lists, Sony listened and now we have them, maybe someday we can change our PSN names!

 

[ResoRai]

and is also a good reason to be vocal on forums,
i can see that now and i agree with you.

i just felt there was zero chance at this,
hopefully it happens i guess.

I'd like crossplay and will keep advocating for it, but I can respect your opinion.

We don't need to defend or justify Sony. We are just trying to explain real world economics to some of you.

The world we live in is not some hippy utopia. It is driven by competition. And in any healthy competition there will be winners and losers. Xbox is the loser this gen. People just need to deal with it.

You though, nah.
People with friends who own a switch and/or xbox won't have to "deal" with anything. They're having a good time with more of their friends.

Seems you have a thing against xbox one users, but they aren't the only ones missing out.

 

[ADS]

We don't need to defend or justify Sony. We are just trying to explain real world economics to some of you.

The world we live in is not some hippy utopia. It is driven by competition. And in any healthy competition there will be winners and losers. Xbox is the loser this gen. People just need to deal with it.

This is a good point, when a company does something clearly anti-consumer we should just bend over and stop complaining. Consumer feedback has never worked, better to just let companies do whatever and don't dare question their wisdom. They know what is best for us.

Spoiler

/s

 

[ResoRai]

But isn't it impossible to play with your friends with crossplay anyway, just with randoms? How would you send an invite from psn to xbl? And wouldn't the (remote) possibility of having identical usernames cause a problem?

Gotta start somewhere. Minecraft has a system in place I believe, and Rocket league is building towards one: https://www.neowin.net/news/psyonix-working-on-implementing-cross-platform-parties-for-rocket-league

 

[DerpHause]

avatar. really? lol
throw the quote into the bin and face reality..
i don't care about cross play, others do? sure.
will sony implement it? no.
put yourselves in sony shoes and see it gains them almost nothing business wise (but maybe goodwill from few players), in fact it might have adverse effects so why would they do this?
it sucks not having it. but we've seen sony stick to decisions like this and not budge. EA access anyone?.
how many threads does this make?.
well, this is a gaming forum i guess, i'll try not to tamper hopes..

maybe my sit down comment was rude. apologies
but honestly i had gotten tired of seeing this discussion over and over, and he seemed to always be the one to have something to say.



it's good to want things
it's better to know if you can get it.

it takes nothing from me if cross play is enabled, i am not against this.
i'm just pointing out what i feel is clear and not trying to offend anyone while at it

Fundamentally, yes, there is a lot of business sense to be made in profiteering through moves directly antagonistic to consumers, but I can assure you they're in no need of forum warrior defenses of those moves.

I can't really fathom why the preferable stance here is "Sit down" and shut up because Papa Sony has made up his mind. Even if you don't care, especially if you acknowledge it doesn't detract from anything you want, what do you get by actively antagonizing someone for socially pushing a feature a lot of us want WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY ASKED ABOUT IT IN AN INTERVIEW AND YOU CAN'T ANSWER FOR THE OPPOSING PARTY!

 

[bitbydeath]

Fundamentally, yes, there is a lot of business sense to be made in profiteering through moves directly antagonistic to consumers, but I can assure you they're in no need of forum warrior defenses of those moves.

I can't really fathom why the preferable stance here is "Sit down" and shut up because Papa Sony has made up his mind. Even if you don't care, especially if you acknowledge it doesn't detract from anything you want, what do you get by actively antagonizing someone for socially pushing a feature a lot of us want WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY ASKED ABOUT IT IN AN INTERVIEW AND YOU CAN'T ANSWER FOR THE OPPOSING PARTY!

It’s all pointless discussion really as we don’t know the terms MS have set which Sony aren’t agreeing with.

 

[2blackcats]

Fair enough, that's certainly a benefit to games with smaller player awesome. Though in the case of Minecraft, my understanding was that you could join a server with your friends, since there is no random matchmaking. I assume that's how it works between Xbox One, Windows 10, and mobile devices currently?

Yeah, I was referring to the quote about indie games.

Minecraft is a different kettle of fish. I haven't seen the new update in action. Can you see all your Xbox friends while playing from switch or just those who have minecraft? Either way I see no easy solution as long as xbox live is the basis for the multiplayer.

 

[Head.spawn]

maybe Microsoft should stop trying to talk for sony

either way, its clear they're trying to leverage this to look like the good guy.

Don't forget this is the hypocrite that talk about exclusivity and then they're trying to lock down PUBG.

Your post:

"maybe Microsoft should stop trying to talk for sony "

vs Thread title:

"Phil Spencer on Cross Play with Sony- "[Sony] should talk about what their view is"

hmm...

 

[DerpHause]

It's all pointless discussion really as we don't know the terms MS have set which Sony aren't agreeing with.

We don't, but Sony isn't sharing. Which makes the comments resonate with me all that much more. All we got from Sony was something that comes across as a huge failure in judgement or a insult to our collective intelligence.

MS riding that is both expected and smart.

 

[KageMaru]

It’s all pointless discussion really as we don’t know the terms MS have set which Sony aren’t agreeing with.

I don't think it's Microsoft's terms that Sony isn't agreeing with. It's not like they are in a position to dictate how crossplay is going to work.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Poor Phil, why do Sony play with PC but neglect the Xbox. Sad times.

I'm thankful for PS4 > PC cross play. I wish more games do it. I can't play GTS because it's so online focused and I refuse to get PS+ for just GTS (because I have been getting MP games for PC, and I don't care for random free games each month).

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

They have, they said if it requires an xbox live account to play on a PS4 then they are noping the fuck out of it.

How bout this guy does his job and actually opens some new first party studios, rather than moaning that they are not letting the trojan horse into their fort.

They never said that. Fans said that. And games other than Minecraft don’t require XBL and yet have had cross-play rejected.

 

[DongBeetle]

They have, they said if it requires an xbox live account to play on a PS4 then they are noping the fuck out of it.

How bout this guy does his job and actually opens some new first party studios, rather than moaning that they are not letting the trojan horse into their fort.

Lol posts like these are why these threads are so fun

 

[Jumeira]

Argh these corporate apologist are harming progress. There isnt a convincing argument you can make against this unless you feel threatened that Sony arent the ones pushing this initiative . Which means its irrational and your stake in this is based on Sony's dominance not on whats good for gamiing, seriously need to blast your interests into orbit, you're not at all here for gaming, but are simply a fanatic. Its so obvious in some of these posts.

 

[ArtHands]

Lol posts like these are why these threads are so fun

Yah, now we have come to the point where fans has to blatantly lie on Sony’s behalf.

 

[bitbydeath]

We don't, but Sony isn't sharing. Which makes the comments resonate with me all that much more. All we got from Sony was something that comes across as a huge failure in judgement or a insult to our collective intelligence.

MS riding that is both expected and smart.

Doesn’t make it any less pointless, MS could just as easily share the terms they layout as well.

 

[bitbydeath]

I don't think it's Microsoft's terms that Sony isn't agreeing with. It's not like they are in a position to dictate how crossplay is going to work.

They are when it comes it Minecraft.