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NeoGAF will always respect women/racial minorities/lgbt

vonStirlitz

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I always wonder why people feel entitled to being able to do X on site Y. There are plenty other options for that. It's not like you have to stay here. I for one am glad that political and religious threads are not possible anymore. Hell, OT was great when I joined but over the years it just turned into a toxic minefield. I look forward to the coming months and hopefully it will turn back to it's glory days where people treated each other with respect instead of shitting on each other and turning post 180 degrees around just to get into an argument.
 
I dont think I'm always on the right side.

You should always acknowledge the potential to be wrong

You believe in the opinions you hold until convinced otherwise, is what I'm saying.

Like your mind can change but what you believe up until it does is what you believed, and you believed it because you thought you were correct in that belief.
 

Caelus

Member
The "echo chamber" comments are always hilarious. People who type that have never been in a real internet echo chamber of either the left or right variety. There was a genuine diversity of opinions even in the predominantly left-leaning community of Off-Topic users.

The website being based in the US is going to reflect the nature of US politics, in which conservative views are aligned with bigotry and deliberate ignorance. Plenty of international conservatives, moderates, libertarians, etc. posted in Off-Topic because their social views were not abhorrent. People who were genuinely willing to learn framed their posts as inquiries or open discussion instead of baiting or shit-posting.

My views have been challenged plenty without my rights as a racial minority questioned.
 

VegiHam

Member
Hmmmm. Look at this thread, then look at the sticky. I mean I sincerely hope you're right Rasta but signs are not good at all. Neogaf was a great place to discuss videogames without dealing with homophobes and other bigots. Who knows what it'll end up being now.
 

Novoitus

Banned
Pretty sure everyone thinks they're on the right side. That's kind of how having a belief system works.

People thinking they are on the right side and vehemently dismissing anyone who doesn't think the same way they do. not only that, but they're now in a community which does the same thing and piles onto anyone who disagrees with them. How can you not see this as a problem?
 
If you don't want to discuss politics, then don't, but the idea of outright banning any "political" talk is so odd to me, every single part of your life is governed by politics and it applies to your world views and the media you consume, video games included. The perception someone has of something can vary depending on their political view - see the recent "non-controversy" about killing Nazis in a Wolfenstein game.

Looking for equality in the industry (and extend that further) isn't political anyway. It's social, nothing to do with politics, unless you make it political.

Whatever, this place has a very different feel from a few days ago.
 
I always wonder why people feel entitled to being able to do X on site Y. There are plenty other options for that. It's not like you have to stay here. I for one am glad that political and religious threads are not possible anymore. Hell, OT was great when I joined but over the years it just turned into a toxic minefield. I look forward to the coming months and hopefully it will turn back to it's glory days where people treated each other with respect instead of shitting on each other and turning post 180 degrees around just to get into an argument.

Wow, I'm happy you got that off your chest in a thread about concerns over minority issues!
 

LinLeigh

Member
This is going great sjw, dick riding Anita and snowflakes.

Looks like a lovely community will remain.

A sad end to a great website.
 
Urgh. I have been following the sticky, as part of a watch the GAF hivemind and add some comments approach, to help me decide whether its toast or not. If most members can keep it real, at a time of community stress then it might be positive for the community (I make no comments on the owner, my concern is the community).

On the whole, gross suicides apart, the discourse has been good and informed on the whole. Very few nutcase arguments from either side so far. But a few crazies are coming out, and I am now starting to wonder whether I still want in on this.

Sigh.
Sitting on the sidelines IS being apart of it and choosing a side. It always will be. What is the GAF Hivemind that the special social conservatives can't handle"? How delicate are these people that they can't stand to look at anything progressive.
 

onQ123

Member
I been Jr'ed going on 5 years for making threads about 4K gaming on a gaming site with no explanation of what I did wrong. And got banned twice because other people brought up my post about fp16 even in a thread that was about fp16 & in the end we got 4K games this generation & PS4 Pro is 8.4TF fp16.

I've been punished for being right & I think I know why.



It's because I have dimples
 

RinsFury

Member
Sitting on the sidelines IS being apart of it and choosing a side. It always will be. What is the GAF Hivemind that the special social conservatives can't handle"? How delicate are these people that they can't stand to look at anything progressive.

I will never buy these "gaf is a hivemind" arguments. Not providing a platform for hate speech does not mean gaf was ever a hivemind, I always saw countless differing opinions.
 

Nickle

Cool Facts: Game of War has been a hit since July 2013
That's honestly what surprised me the most about this forum going up in flames. I was on vacation when it happened and had to check Twitter to figure out what was going on... there were a lot of accounts from recognizable gaf members suddenly celebrating about how this was karmic justice because gaf was a "leftist echo chamber" where they couldn't "speak their mind." Dudes that lived and breathed this forum everyday suddenly acting like oppressed victims because the stringent moderation meant they couldn't play devil's advocate for racism or derail every thread to being about how Anita Sarkessian is actually a huge bitch. You think you know some people.
It's funny that they think that they won't eventually be banned.
 

Caelus

Member
This is going great sjw, dick riding Anita and snowflakes.

Massive projection. Right-wing idiots have been the biggest snowflakes in Off-Topic. Any inquiry into why they believe X opinion and they fall apart, playing the victim, ignoring level-headed critiques and abandoning threads in disgrace. I've seen this countless times. If you're dismantled by the slightest scrutiny, reconsider your views.
 
People thinking they are on the right side and vehemently dismissing anyone who doesn't think the same way they do. not only that, but they're now in a community which does the same thing and piles onto anyone who disagrees with them. How can you not see this as a problem?

When i see this sentiment.. I'm always thinking people like you feel nazis or white supremacist should have a platform.. Is that your stance?
 
People thinking they are on the right side and vehemently dismissing anyone who doesn't think the same way they do. not only that, but they're now in a community which does the same thing and piles onto anyone who disagrees with them. How can you not see this as a problem?

Yeah people of similar opinions cluster into groups, that's like basic socialization.

Also in my 4 or 5 years here spent primarily in OT I really don't recognize this picture people keep painting. As long as you weren't shitposting or just really obviously using misdirecting language to state legitimately invalid opinions you were fine. If you got a backlash from multiple posters, so what? Doesn't mean you have to run away with tail tucked, just acknowledge a bunch of people on the internet really vehemently disagreed with you, maybe think about why that was, see if your own argument could be improved.
 
Massive projection. Right-wing idiots have been the biggest snowflakes in Off-Topic. Any inquiry into why they believe X opinion and they fall apart, playing the victim, ignoring level-headed critiques and abandoning threads in disgrace. I've seen this countless times. If you're dismantled by the slightest scrutiny, reconsider your views.

Fortunately, I think he was being sarcastic with that post.
 

Bl@de

Member
That's honestly what surprised me the most about this forum going up in flames. I was on vacation when it happened and had to check Twitter to figure out what was going on... there were a lot of accounts from recognizable gaf members suddenly celebrating about how this was karmic justice because gaf was a "leftist echo chamber" where they couldn't "speak their mind." Dudes that lived and breathed this forum everyday suddenly acting like oppressed victims because the stringent moderation meant they couldn't play devil's advocate for racism or derail every thread to being about how Anita Sarkessian is actually a huge bitch. You think you know some people.

Not everyone right of Bernie Sanders and Lenin is a racist. Why is it always about race and oppression olympics? GAF was a very hostile place for a lot of opinions.
 

Novoitus

Banned
My status as a human being is not up for debate. Are you being fucking serious with this?

No! I didn't read the last part of your post, I'm sorry. If this forum is now actively allowing sexism/racism/homophobia of any type then fuck this place. I saw a post in a thread about your favorite LGBT characters in games where somebody said it was "shoving a political opinion down their throat". That person should be banned on any forum.
 
I been Jr'ed going on 5 years for making threads about 4K gaming on a gaming site with no explanation of what I did wrong. And got banned twice because other people brought up my post about fp16 even in a thread that was about fp16 & in the end we got 4K games this generation & PS4 Pro is 8.4TF fp16.

I've been punished for being right & I think I know why.



It's because I have dimples

Come on, you must've made some shameful failed prophecy or something. I remember you saying wacky technical shit that sounded zany or something.
 
Without heavily strict moderation, the forum would be overrun with people making disingenuous arguments, because they were smart enough not to share their real "gay people need to be cured of their disgusting mental disease" opinions.
 
No! I didn't read the last part of your post, I'm sorry. If this forum is now actively allowing sexism/racism/homophobia of any type then fuck this place. I saw a post in a thread about your favorite LGBT characters in games where somebody said it was "shoving a political opinion down their throat". That person should be banned on any forum.

That thread itself would get banned as long as a person's sexual orientation is a political topic.
 
Not everyone right of Bernie Sanders and Lenin is a racist. Why is it always about race and oppression olympics? GAF was a very hostile place for a lot of opinions.

Nobody ever made the argument that everyone to the right of Bernie sanders and Lenin is a racist.

Also there's a huge gap between those two, for the record, and Bernie has his own issues with listening to minority voices, so if your point isn't that "gaf was a very hostile place for a lot of racist opinions: then I'm missing it.
 

petran79

Banned
GAF has been overmoderated to an absurd degree.

For example, the following post got me insta-banned for a month.

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I'm not a sexist, I'm not a gamergater, I'm not even a conservative. I was just asking a fucking question. I'm not afraid to say that shit needs to stop. It's a discussion forum for god's sake.

I asked the same question and no bans occured. Perhaps it was things you said elsewhere or the tone you used that made you a mod target.
 

Jeels

Member
Not everyone right of Bernie Sanders and Lenin is a racist. Why is it always about race and oppression olympics? GAF was a very hostile place for a lot of opinions.

PoliGAF was dominated by people to the right of Bernie (namely, Obama and Hillary supporters) so this post is flat out wrong.
 
After today, I can honestly I don't agree with the title of the thread going forward. The silenced gamer gaters are now speaking their minds. NeoGAF has a huge hurdle to get through because it seems the majority members are them.

:/
 

Razmos

Member
Hmmmm. Look at this thread, then look at the sticky. I mean I sincerely hope you're right Rasta but signs are not good at all. Neogaf was a great place to discuss videogames without dealing with homophobes and other bigots. Who knows what it'll end up being now.
This :(
GAF was one of the only gaming related places I know of where casual bigotry was not accepted, where i didn't have to see homophobia or racism on a daily basis.

I'm glad GAF is back but I'm going to use it in moderation until things blow over
 
You'll find very few people who disagree

There were quite a few of them that showed up on OT and knew how to play the game with coded language.

Not everyone right of Bernie Sanders and Lenin is a racist. Why is it always about race and oppression olympics? GAF was a very hostile place for a lot of opinions.

I don't even know why you clicked on a thread about respecting minorities when acknowledging the fact that not everyone does respect them was enough to trigger you into "oppression olympics."

Boy, this place definitely has a bright and shiny future ahead of it.
 
Just look at every topic concerning capitalism, free market medicine, etc.. It's pages and pages of "capitalism is pure evil, I hate it".

Oh wait ... you can't. Offtpoic has been deleted.

I've been in those very threads myself. Discussion was open and healthy.
 

Novoitus

Banned
When i see this sentiment.. I'm always thinking people like you feel nazis or white supremacist should have a platform.. Is that your stance?

Nope. People who think like a nazi or white supremacist should not have a platform. They want to kill anyone who isn't them. They're fucking disgusting and don't deserve a platform.

There wasn't much discourse or discussion past everyone agreeing with one another or piling on the minority who disagree with them. This goes past discussions regarding gender equality, LGBT issues, or race/ethnicity issues. In my mind there is usually only one valid side for things like those (ex. gay people should be able to marry, women deserve equal pay, blacks shouldn't be fucking murdered by police)

But there are things that aren't so clear cut and because of how similar everyone's views were on this site there was no real discussion for those specific things.
 
You all obviously have the option to leave, I don't think you should though. There's too much histrionics, chill out, it's not the end of Gaf that's silly.

Look at all the things you've ascribed to me now with your buzzwords, yet you know nothing about me. How charitable.

you've said "virtue signaling" like 5 times in this thread, which is both a buzzword and ascribed motives to it's target, the things you're complaining about
 
Nope. People who think like a nazi or white supremacist should not have a platform. They want to kill anyone who isn't them. They're fucking disgusting and don't deserve a platform.

There wasn't much discourse or discussion past everyone agreeing with one another or piling on the minority who disagree with them. This goes past discussions regarding gender equality, LGBT issues, or race/ethnicity issues. In my mind there is usually only one valid side for things like those (ex. gay people should be able to marry, women deserve equal pay, blacks shouldn't be fucking murdered by police)

But there are things that aren't so clear cut and because of how similar everyone's views were on this site there was no real discussion for those specific things.

Gotcha thanks for clearing that up
 
Just look at every topic concerning capitalism, free market medicine, etc.. It's pages and pages of "capitalism is pure evil, I hate it".

Oh wait ... you can't. Offtpoic has been deleted.

That's really untrue. There was fine discussion in those threads. I'm a capitalist, nobody dog piled me or tried to get me banned. I brought data and discussion materials to the table.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
To say "NeoGAF does" is always a bit fishy. Most posters, myself included, probably do, though.
 
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