TheShadowLord
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Not really the best idea to have a minority to play as a historical figure, I guessed.
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Mixed race girl stirs up controversy after chosen to play as Joan of Arc in Orleans,France
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Vicetrailia
Member
Meh, twitter rage.
Chairman Tickles
Banned
Meh it's a local festival. I see no dire issue here. It's a depiction of something, not the thing itself and for local consumption only. That said when a white guy is chosen to play Martin Luther King one day, or Shaka Zulu in some play or festival, I expect no complaints and will support their role.
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TrainedRage
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I can't wait for Ben Affleck to play Malcom X! Oh and I'm super happy that that Betty White is playing Rosa Parks. I'm all for diversity in depicting historical events! It's all about pandering not historical accuracy!
strange headache
Banned
To be honest, nobody really gave a shit. The girl is a french catholic who can ride horses and does a lot of fencing, that's why she was picked. If you read the french news sources (e.g. here& here) there were like two racist tweets that are currently being investigated because the Secretary of State in charge of Equality between Women and Men raised a fuss about it on twitter. It's especially ridiculous considering the many french overseas departments. There's really not a whole lot to see here. As far as I'm concerned, she'll be a pretty cool Jeanne d'Arc.
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Mohonky
Member
You know that'll never happen. If anyone non-Black played MLK people would absolutely lose their shit, and to be honest I'd totally agree with them on it.
So I'm kind of split on this.
When I think Joan of Arc I am going to picture someone with fair skin, just the kind of image Id have in my head in the same way if this was a play from a historical Asian event I'd kind of you know, expect someone Asian to play the role (and Arab an Arab role, African for an African role etc).
If I was watching something specific to Indigenous Australians and the role was being played by someone who wasnt actually Indigenous, I have to be honest here and say that would really bug me even as someone who is white.
Attempting to rewrite history though? Thats bit of a stretch to say as a means of offense. I dont think anyone is going to be look back on history like that and think 'omg Joan of Arc was white?' I donr think its going to cause any confusion in history.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
People love getting mad over this stuff
I lost faith in humanity when the world ended over Zendaya’s casting in Homecoming
I lost faith in humanity when the world ended over Zendaya’s casting in Homecoming
Thelonelykoopa
Member
Why do I get the feeling the same people who would complain about this girl playing Joan of Arc are also the same cognitively dissonant people complaining about people not assimulating into the target countries culture .
Phoenix RISING
Banned
The syntax of that title is terrible.
You make it sound like the girl stirred up controversy just by existing. No, the "controversy" is that racists are allowed to exist.
You make it sound like the girl stirred up controversy just by existing. No, the "controversy" is that racists are allowed to exist.
JimboJones
Member
Meh who cares, sure white dudes play Jesus all the time.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Everyone here knows if it was a black historical figure being portrayed by a white person there would be riots.
It wouldn't matter if race had nothing to do with the selection, it would be endlessly condemned as racism.
It wouldn't matter if race had nothing to do with the selection, it would be endlessly condemned as racism.
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PeterBazooka
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if it was it was someone on the far-left who tweeted the original racist remarks trying to stir shit up. Also, twitter needs to die already.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
And to top it off, she is white.
Black historical people have been played by white people for centuries without riots.
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SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Let me guess, jesus? A guy who in art for centuries has been depicted as white with a tan.
And name 1 in the last 5 years.
Lionel Richie
Member
Man I miss the days when art was judged by whether it was good or not, not on which group of people it aggravates.
Vicetrailia
Member
Michael Jackson was played by Joseph Fiennes in 2016, and Christian Bale was Moses in 2015. Did anyone riot?
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SoulUnison
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Appropriate username. You have outrage down to a science.
There's really no issue with this girl playing a part in a parade and if anyone thinks it's an intentional attempt to misrepresent or rewrite history then maybe they should be doing more to make sure people actually know the original history.
Of course. You’ve got a sizable amount of the population that screams keep it culturally accurate but flip the fuck out when they correctly cast someone black in hunger games.
The end goal is to keep representing diverse places with casts like this
and cry about snowflakes and identity politics in the rare times the tables turn as if movies still aren’t being made TODAY where non-white characters are made white but they don’t notice or call that shit out on authenticity because their fragile little egos can’t stand to see a motherfucker that looks a bit different from them on a screen that one time out of fifty
The end goal is to keep representing diverse places with casts like this
and cry about snowflakes and identity politics in the rare times the tables turn as if movies still aren’t being made TODAY where non-white characters are made white but they don’t notice or call that shit out on authenticity because their fragile little egos can’t stand to see a motherfucker that looks a bit different from them on a screen that one time out of fifty
TheShadowLord
Member
Uhhhh yes. They had to cancel the episode
Due to riots?
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Quality personal attacks there.
No riot detected for michael jackson But you know, he didn't die looking like this
and oh look, ancient art depicting moses is *shock horror* a white bearded dude *end shock horror*.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Not only does the very existence of that article completely disprove your point but by the third (the other two don't even fit the 5 years criteria) "example" is the michael jackson thing which is provably false. Infact, the most basic of googling will find outrage for almost every single one of those movies.
Ooooh I see, too caught up in the obvious embelishment.
Could you strawman any harder?
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Just show us one riot over this.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
I guess I'll have to say it again.
Ooooh I see, too caught up in the obvious embelishment.
Could you strawman any harder?
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/school-cancels-play-after-outcry-over-white-student-cast-in-lead-role
Just gonna leave this here.
Just gonna leave this here.
Strawman? You said riots, not me. Besides the Micheal Jackson episode was filmed, just never aired. It doesn't mean it never happened.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Wrong about what lol
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Pack it up guys, no one ever complained about black people being portrayed by white people. Better get ed sheeran to play martin luther king in a broadway musical!
*done arguing with you until you stop being deliberately obtuse.
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Now that's how you strawman.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Can't even differentiate between a strawman and argumentum ad absurdum.
10/10
Then you would also have to ignore the fact that it stopped, many many years ago. You don't get to be racist just because people were racist years ago but complain about racism at the same time. That would be cognitive dissonance.
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So my position was that black people never complain about this stuff, and I'm being obtuse lol
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
You linked an article titled "25 Times White Actors Played People Of Color And No One Really Gave A S**t"
But congratulations, you've officially gone beyond obtuse and landed in disingenuous territory.
Did you read the article to actually understand what that title actually implies?
TrainedRage
Banned
I got you bro..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc
There ya go guys. As you can see, well.... Some people want to 'black-wash' history. And many are fine with changing facts to accommodate 'muh diversity'. While I have nothing against Mathilde Edey Gamassou she just doesn't fit the part.
+1 to the revisionist historians .... for now.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
"No one really gave a shit" has but one implication. Again, did you actually pass grade 3 english?
The rest of the article either 1) Points to old movies from the 60's and earlier. 2) uses pathetically flimsy examples 3) Virtually every single modern one has outrage attached to it.
Stay losing
