Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Last time i checked the xbox one s was 150 here with 2 games . The ps4 is 300 with no games.
So yeah they are slowly crawling up
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Xbox One Sold 39.1M Units and PlayStation 4 Sold 76.6M Units by March 2018, Says IHS Markit Research
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So yeah they are slowly crawling up
DiscoJer
Member
I dunno what country you are in, but looking at Walmart, the Xbox S is $200 with no games and the PS4 is $269 with no games.
David Ricardo
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ZehDon
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rokkerkory
Member
Except that it made over $2.2 billion last quarter up double digits from a year ago.
DigitalScrap
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I want to care (since it seems everyone else does), but I don’t own stock in either company (I sold my MS stock long ago).
Iced Arcade
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Actually dont think I ever see xbox fans complaining about play anywhere. Usually only hear complaints in list wars from fans of the competition.
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DigitalScrap
Member
Yep. Usually it is the other “camp” saying a game isn’t exclusive because it is Play Anywhere. I wish fanboys of all stripes would go away, but the human psyche is a strange thing.
WaterAstro
Member
But it's true though. If you have a PS4 and PC, you can play every Microsoft game without buying an Xbox and still enjoy PS4 exclusives.
This thread about the console sales, which Xbox will suffer because of Play Anywhere, but Microsoft will benefit.
tryDEATH
Member
I would be really interested in seeing what the numbers between the 2 are in the Western world, I assume it is rather very close. PS brand simply carries too much brand loyalty in Japan for Xbox to make any sort of in road there and you can expect 15-20 millions units sold there alone, however the USA and Europe are going to be much closer and competitive. I still think come end of the generation Xbox will have outsold the PS in the USA, so they will claim a victory in a big battle, but end up losing the war convincingly. However, that will be more than enough encouragement for the Xbox team when it comes to next generation, were they know a much better ideology and messaging will lead to a much more successful and competitive launch in their primary markets.
I really don't know what you wanne say.
why can't the ea numbers be wrong? And why do you expect that the xbox numbers are lower?
these numbers seem to be wright if they mean the shipped numbers.
yes, xbox does not sell as many units like ps4 but they still selling. I really don't know why people are expecting those consoles won't sell at all.
Lort
Banned
This just proves we have a number of people who only care about judging winners and losers by sales. Your cheap car isnt better than a Ferrari because it sells more.
I love the xbox one x is the most powerful console and i can play all the games i want to. Id rather Forza horizon anyday over TLOU .. im happy .. deal with it. Love the focus on confirmation Xbox will continue to invest in being the premium console. .. also like that people can get the Xbox s with UHD drive super cheap. Non gamer friends by the S cheap and i buy the X and we play together and everyones happy.. i also play with my PC friends when i can (ie Forza or Rocket league.) The fact Sony sells more means nothing to me.
I love the xbox one x is the most powerful console and i can play all the games i want to. Id rather Forza horizon anyday over TLOU .. im happy .. deal with it. Love the focus on confirmation Xbox will continue to invest in being the premium console. .. also like that people can get the Xbox s with UHD drive super cheap. Non gamer friends by the S cheap and i buy the X and we play together and everyones happy.. i also play with my PC friends when i can (ie Forza or Rocket league.) The fact Sony sells more means nothing to me.
llien
Member
Basically 2 to 1, in the ballpark of EA, what is the deal?
What are you guys up to with all the machinery?
What are you guys up to with all the machinery?
demigod
Member
Why do you always have to say the xbox one x is the most powerful console in every thread you enter? Face it, nobody gives a shit. My PC spanks your xbox one x any day. Its good that you enjoy Forza Horizon over TLOU, go blog it. This is the sales thread, not "my favorite box thread". I'm not even sure why you enter a sales thread if you don't care about how much each company has sold?
phil_t98
#SonyToo
Exactly my thoughts, I hear the Fanboys from the other side saying that what ever game aint exclusive because you can play it on pc if you buy it on Xbox.
Imagine if this was the other way round and Sony did play anywhere it would be like that best thing ever from the fanboys, a bit like backwards campat being not wanted by anybody. Simply it aint being offer on the Sony console so people don't want it lol
Lort
Banned
My point was sales dont matter .. so long as Xbox sells enough to get all the multiplatforms which it does, then total sales make no difference to actual gamers. This whole thread is a lot of people getting upset of MS selling maybe 5 million more consoles .. its hilarious.
Edit: Not meaning this as a dig
Lort
but the Xbox doesn't get all the multi plats. If it gets the ones you want then good, that just illustrates that the consoles cater to different markets, which is no bad thing. But if the sales numbers were reversed it'd probably get more
I'm not sure how much money Microsoft are making from game pass on pc. It's £1 for a month at the minute, I picked it up to play Gears, but there's only 10 games in total, and maybe only 4 of them are games you'd seriously consider playing. If they can improve the selection then maybe, you've already got Humble doing something similar
Lort
but the Xbox doesn't get all the multi plats. If it gets the ones you want then good, that just illustrates that the consoles cater to different markets, which is no bad thing. But if the sales numbers were reversed it'd probably get more I'm not sure how much money Microsoft are making from game pass on pc. It's £1 for a month at the minute, I picked it up to play Gears, but there's only 10 games in total, and maybe only 4 of them are games you'd seriously consider playing. If they can improve the selection then maybe, you've already got Humble doing something similar
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DynamiteCop!
Banned
I don't know why anyone would be shocked by this, it doesn't seem high, it doesn't seem low, it seems to be just about where it should be given everything we know. With all NPD data compiled LTD the Xbox One is at 21 million in the United States, just the United States.
Is it really so far fetched to think the rest of the world made up of 194 other countries is at 19 million or 47.5% of the Xbox One's market share?
Is it really so far fetched to think the rest of the world made up of 194 other countries is at 19 million or 47.5% of the Xbox One's market share?
Hayfield
Banned
God this reads like a Phil Spencer monologue, so forced and fake, many by far prefer the PS4 this generation, no amount of corporate approved monologues are gonna change that. Just be happy with what you got and stop acting like you're a missionary trying to convert a lost flock.
FranXico
Member
The bulk of the revenue will come from console, I guess.
Can we avoid this thread turning into a pulpit for 'my console is the best console' declarations please? All consoles are doing well, one brand is clearly leading the field. Partly because of poor marketing by their competitor and partly because of an initial great price point and hardware strength. Competitors have come back with a strategy that seems to have stabilised the early problems and allowed growth of their platform and services.
The flip side to this is that in a thread about sales figures there will naturally be a tangent on the current climate around game releases, future game releases, what the current forecast looks like for growth to close the gap etc. It is expected that whatever console you have you can chat about this objectively without your personal preference/consumer choices causing abrasiveness to the topic at hand.
Speculation on business decisions like acquisitions of studio's, new IP's, new services and how they will affect these figures is also welcome.
The flip side to this is that in a thread about sales figures there will naturally be a tangent on the current climate around game releases, future game releases, what the current forecast looks like for growth to close the gap etc. It is expected that whatever console you have you can chat about this objectively without your personal preference/consumer choices causing abrasiveness to the topic at hand.
Speculation on business decisions like acquisitions of studio's, new IP's, new services and how they will affect these figures is also welcome.
yeah, and I think it will for a long time. You can see why they're trying it though, I think it will be a slow build but I could see it being worthwhile if they improve the library and the store
TannerDemoz
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Let's talk about next gen: XB(whateverthefuckitscalled) is gonna have an insanely strong start because it's gonna launch with GamesPass. I think we'll see a big flip.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Zhuge has already refuted EA’s Numbers. By I’m well aware why you’d like to continue perpetuating how right they are. EA’s numbers had Xbox selling less than 3.8 million in 2017 worldwide when it’s already Beene confirmed they’d sold over 4 million in the US alone in 2017.
DasPenguin
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Really really confused by that statement. By the end of the 360 era Xbox from start to finish hadn't generated any profit. Now it's a money making machine? Are you counting the R&D costs, selling the machine at a loss for years because it wouldn't move the needle otherwise?
39 million sounds like a lot. It's almost dead in Europe and Asia, so it's mostly U.S. sales then? Pretty amazing change: most of us Europeans were playing with the 360 last gen. It was the perfect storm: first on to the market, great online ecosystem right off the bat, great controller. Only problem was the red ring of death (which also cost a ton by the way). Still it couldn't beat the PS in Europe. Now? Everyone has switched back to PS here. MS lost all their momentum outside the U.S. and I don't think there's a way to get it back.
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DasPenguin
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Germany was a dominant market (as for many others) last gen. Are you really trying to say that Germany is still a strong market, and Xbox hasn't fallen behind Sony significantly? And yes, dead in Europe is a perfect term when you compare it to last gen.
What?
They made a lot of money. But it took a while until they reached break even, but that was many years before xb1.
PS3 on the other hand … as far as I remember they reached the break even right before PS4. The hardware was just to expensive to produce. That's why the PS4 was sold from the beginning with a small profit in mind.
SaucyJack
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It would be interesting to see the actual Markit paper and the assumptions behind their estimates.
3 million gap between reported shipped and estimated sold seems too high for PS4. I don’t believe they have that many units in the supply chain.
Xbox numbers seem infeasibly high, not least given NPD numbers for their best market. However, opacity of reported Xbox numbers over a long period make it hard to tell with any certainty. I’m inclined to view this as an outlying estimate. I find it hard to believe a number above 35 million.
3 million gap between reported shipped and estimated sold seems too high for PS4. I don’t believe they have that many units in the supply chain.
Xbox numbers seem infeasibly high, not least given NPD numbers for their best market. However, opacity of reported Xbox numbers over a long period make it hard to tell with any certainty. I’m inclined to view this as an outlying estimate. I find it hard to believe a number above 35 million.
Just think about it a moment.
How many stores have PS4/XB1 consoles available. How many units have they available?
So my local "Media Markt" (Germany) has ~20-40 Units available all the time (and we have multiple retailers like this here in my city). Those consoles are sold worldwide, so almost every electronic store (the bigger ones) have more than just a few consoles available. This is quite a big number.
Nikodemos
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Given the devastatingly catastrophic reveal and generally lacklustre launch (price v/s specs), the fact that they managed to claw back a decent bit of marketshare is impressive.
The Game Pass, their BC efforts, FreeSync (though you need to play it on a monitor for now in order to get the benefits), new studios... They're doing a lot of good moves.
Meanwhile Sony get pissy about using your PS4-linked Fortnite account on the Switch.........
I'm a Sony guy (plan on buying a PS4Pro+PSVR), but even I can see MS putting in a lot of effort in their product/service.
The Game Pass, their BC efforts, FreeSync (though you need to play it on a monitor for now in order to get the benefits), new studios... They're doing a lot of good moves.
Meanwhile Sony get pissy about using your PS4-linked Fortnite account on the Switch.........
I'm a Sony guy (plan on buying a PS4Pro+PSVR), but even I can see MS putting in a lot of effort in their product/service.
SaucyJack
Member
3 million units is > 2 months sales at this time of year, which would seem a lot to be held as stock.
DasPenguin
Member
And they used a lot more. Please link to financial numbers that state that after the 360 era Xbox had become a profitable enterprise.
Just to edit, I’m sure with the XBox Live fees XBox right now is making plenty of money, but if you look at XBox history from start to finish and call it a money making machine you are kidding yourself. R&D costs, RROD, selling consoles at a loss etc.
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you started this argument. So link the numbers, please? Why should I prove something you have claimed?
All, not just hardware, but revenues through software + xbox live gold, accessories (e.g. controllers), ...
according to data xbox 360 is sold profitable since 2008 (just the hardware), so add everything else to this. xbox one was sold at profit (or at least not at lost) like PS4.
The RROD is something extra, but be sure, MS never payed anything for that. The "costs" are only on paper, the manufacturers payed for this, everything else is written-off from taxes.
Also you can't make "profit" if the money is invested (e.g. into games), but well the shareholders also want there share, that is why at some point they have profits that are not invested anymore.
thelastword
Banned
You really think IHS has more information than EA as far as sales and console penetration is concerned....Ubisoft or Activision? MS has not been forthcoming at all with numbers, it's easy to extrapolate from Sony's declared shipped numbers for such a company, why? Just deduct a few million from Sony's 79 million figure and voila! your figures don't look insane....On the flip, what information is IHS using to get the MS figure......So you mean to tell me, the whole time Sony was comfortably ahead of MS in excess of 2:1, but it's not quite so anymore? What gave MS that momentum? Do you realize that apart from NA, which XBOX is being outsold in by a good bit (I mean just last NPD PS4 outsold the XBOX and Wii combined), the xbox brand is not doing stellar sales anywhere else. Spain, UK, Germany, France, Italy, Switzerland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, Greece, Africa, India, South America, Larger Asian continent and then Japan?
I have no issues if XBOX has a solid base, but let's do it based on solid info, the information here are just guesses and more so of a guess in MS's case because there's less to work with. So in that case it's all up to who is feeling generous or perhaps not so generous when giving MS a figure.....with the exception being EA.....
You guys keep laying it thick that EA access is the second coming, but guess what, who's providing that servcie to MS, is it not EA? Don't you think they will have more info than you, IHS, Pachter etc...They know how much of the XBOX base they've penetrated with their service, they know the total installbase they're targetting on XBOX and they know the installbase of the PS4 base they have no access to. For XBOX, you don't think EA knows that they only have say (3-5%) penetration of the XBOX market and are privy to information you would not based on their status and business deals?????
Let's be clear here, EA did not give an MS figure directly, it was extrapolated, it's business in the sense that; MS is their partner and has a stance on figures, so they would never betray that. However, you can ride the lines and do nothing wrong...In essence, most of the information deduced was done so primarily because of ONE thing....The fact that we all know Sony's numbers. So yes, Information can only be accurate and deduced if you have some info to work with, without knowing Sony's numbers we would not even be having this conversation, but then, here we are....
It's a simple thing really, all MS has to do is to give numbers directly and I'll believe it. Does Zhuge have MS numbers and EA doesn't, come on now. What is his breakdown per region, what does he have? I tell you what, he's guessing just like IHS. The company which has EA access on XBOX knows how many XBOX consoles they're dealing with, they have info on the installbase. I'll take their word over any guessing game anyone else does.....It's strange too, because XBOX fans said they like the way MS is reporting numbers (which is nothing substantial, this gen), then the minute someone gives a more favorable estimate than the other million estimates before it, they're now stoked with numbers and it's the one to believe over more credible sources....So do you want real numbers or not? The only people who have the latest up to date number is MS, tell them to give it and all is solved, because you can't be over-generous as in estimates or lie on official numbers. At this point, the only official numbers we have is from Sony and EA is the closest thing to official numbers from MS you are going to get...
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So now not only are we arguing which console has sold the most but we have now moved on to by how many units? I hope Microsoft never releases their sales numbers again just to keep triggering people lol this is ridiculous. Why do people care about this? I do not care at all beyond knowing that the gaming industry as a whole seems pretty healthy, which is a great thing for the hobby I love.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
Xbox One has sold 21 million in the Unites States, that would mean the remainder of the world is roughly 19 million sales or 47.5% of their market share.
it_wasn't_me
Banned
79 mil. shipped vs. 39 mil. shipped. 2 : 1 seems about right. Although, Xbone numbers maybe are little bit higher. 4 mil. Xbones in 3 months? LOL. Xbone is selling like crap outside US/UK
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demigod
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I'd believe EA numbers over the other analyst firms. The only problem with the EA numbers is that they didn't account for some regions that's why the Xbox One numbers were low.
That's what i've been trying to say! Even if we believe they sold 4mil in 3 months, why don't we add 8mil to PS4 in those 3 months, would that be fair? So 8mil x 4 quarters, add in a few extra million to the holidays and PS4 is projected to sell 36mil this year!
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
In all this rambling you forgot one thing. MS already said EA was wrong. So who knows more about sold numbers? EA or MS? Oh, i forgot. That doesn't count because it's all lies, right? So we have MS and IHS saying the numbers are higher than what EA has estimated. It's a wrap...eh.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
Did you guys ever consider the possibility that Zhuge's numbers weren't completely accurate and were lower than actual sales? It seems as if none of you ever consider this possibility.
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Maybe IHS thinks that Xbone is selling at the same pace like PS4 globally since beginning of 2018. LOL
Mat Piscatella said that Xbone has 40% growth in US in first few months in 2018. That means ROTW for Xbone is 25% decline in sales.
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Did you ever consider the possibility that IHS's numbers weren't completely accurate and were HIGHER than actual sales? Beside launch months in 2013, Xbone was never in same selling pace like PS4. NEVER.