Wtf? As I expected you have a wierd way of looking at sales figures. Do you know how outstanding 5 million sales in 1 month is? For comparison you mention COD. Cod WWII sold 12 million across all platforms in 3 months. If you were to split that across the install base of the 3 platforms it released on it would be less than God of war. This is a regular attach rate. The only games that have very high attach rates are nintendo games.
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Jim Sterling shares his issues with the Xbox One (The Jimquisition)
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Wtf? As I expected you have a wierd way of looking at sales figures. Do you know how outstanding 5 million sales in 1 month is? For comparison you mention COD. Cod WWII sold 12 million across all platforms in 3 months. If you were to split that across the install base of the 3 platforms it released on it would be less than God of war. This is a regular attach rate. The only games that have very high attach rates are nintendo games.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
but isn't everybody here saying that people are buying the PS4 for the exclusives, GT sports have been out a good while now and yes I would of expected higher sales
GT sport is a major franchise for Sony, in its first month it was outsold by Forza 7 and with the huge difference in sales between PS4 and Xbox one would you of expected that? I wouldn't of.
as I said the way this forum talks is there is no reason to buy and xbox because Sony has all the exclusives and with the PS4 selling so many units is it hard to think that the games would of sold more than they have?
again not dissing the PS4 or the games
Because 'everybody' isn't one person. somebody who enjoys God of war and bought a PS4 for it who comes here and shares their opinion on how good it is isn't the same person who may have bought a PS4 for Persona 5 and came here and told you how great it is. The attach rate for a game is actually good and reflective of install base
It wasn't though. Perhaps in the US where install base may be closer but if you are mentioning 70M and the difference in install base that is a global number and where the gap exists. GTSport sells significantly more than Forza 7 with that fact. GT Sport sold 3 times as much as Forza 7 on its launch in the UK. That would be even more in places like Germany and Spain. Sim racers are bigger in Europe.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
just for your info Black ops 3 sold 11 million in the first year on PS4 alone, thats why I would expect higher sales numbers for exclusives. again not trolling as I do rate the games and the console
is that from the 22M on vgchartz halved? Regardless of where that value is from it's not in a league of its own. Uncharted 4 for example sold 8.7 Million in 8 months. So it's not too far off something you consider as a big seller here. With 1 year of sales like BO3 it may have even surpassed it. God of war is also outselling Uncharted 4 in the same period. So exclusives are selling comparably or maybe even more than some of the biggest multiplatform games out there. So what do you expect it to sell? What do you think the attach rate should be on these? Double COD, double Fifa?
Sales are an ever moving target shrouded by a veil but if you take a look at some of figures you would see that exclusives sell a lot. It's not a stretch to say they are some of the biggest sellers out there
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_4_video_games
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
ok as an example Halo 3 on the 360 sold over 14 million copies which was one of the better sellers on 360, I would think some of the great games on PS4 like uncharted would be those type of numbers, it will prob get there but I thought it would be sooner.
as a side note GTA V sold over 17 million copies which is ridiculous lol, I bet its sold more than that on PS4 now
Thiagosc777
Member
Uncharted 4 was bundled with the PS4 slim. I got a Slim a couple of years ago and there was no "without game" option for it. I am pretty sure it helped to boost those numbers, because I ended up with two copies of Uncharted 4, one that I got at launch and the bundle one.
TheWatcher
Banned
Because 80 million PS4 players are not drones, they're different people who love different types of games....They're 80 million strong primarily because there are exclusives catering to everybody and every taste....
Wrong, and you should not even argue this....PS4 has much more games than XBOX, so many games are not even releasing on XBOX. A million Japanese games, much more exclusives from Sony first party, much more third party exclusives. Over 600 games on PSNOW, 100's of games on VR, a boatload of PC/PS4 only titles. You are just wrong.
And no one cares about Mass Effect a million years later, I have them on PS3, I have them on Origin (where I can play at 60fps at 4k)....., I think I have the first two on Steam as well. I even forgot I had this on so many platforms, because I have so many new games to play this generation, that playing ancient games is not a priority. For people to believe or even suggest they bought an XBONEX to play Masseffect at sub 30fps is not fooling anyone, going back to such a game in 2018 with dips to 22fps, when any potatoe can run this at 60fps at 1440p is no reason to buy an XBONEX..
I'm not trying to convince you of anything, the proof is in the pudding. Sony is the Crossplay King at the moment, facts don't lie, so you can convince yourself of whatever you need to, outside of the facts.....Where is PUBG Crossplay on XBONEX+PC?.... Sony does not have that game, who are they blaming for this then????
Also, research has been done on BC, no one cares barring a vocal few, and people generally buy new consoles for new experiences, tailored to the new console spec. So saying you're playing old games is meaningless, because I can play old games on other platforms too, and on PC at a much better clip and rez, it doesn't make XBONEX stand out in any way, especially if the games are the same subpar framerates with no remake quality therein.
You know what people are willing to play or care for, remakes of old games (crash cant stop selling, sotc, RE2 remake (everyone is stoked), just as they are for ff7 and spyro), and if persons really want to invest in ancient games otherwise, they will play them cranked up at 60fps on potatoe PC's with mods even, rather than play Oblivion at sub 30fps with dips to 21fps in 2018...or Fallout 3 at sub 30fps framerates with judder, because clearly, there's no where else I could play this... I mean the XBONEX is such value, that I will suffer these games with such performance because it doesn't have any new and compelling new gen content...So yes, it's fine if you wish to reinvest 100's of hours into these old games at these subpar framerates and call all new gen games crap, it's your prerogative really....And if you're so willing to defend this, then Sterling's point is made, because yeah, I'm just frothing to get an XBONEX due to BC.....I don't care for new games, no wonder XBONEX is lighting the charts on fire!...At the end of the day, you guys will be the death knell for the XBOX brand for giving MS a false sense of security.....
How much is Sony paying you? Seriously?
In one breath you mention that gamers have diverse tastes, and on the other you mention that playing old games is irrelevant because 'nobody' cares. Where did I mention I don't care about new games?
You have no clue what people care about and are making tons of baseless assumptions based on your tastes. Okay, so Oblivion is sub 30 FPS on the Xbox One, can you play it on the PS4? Can the PS4 Pro even do actual native 4K gaming? Or am I imagining things when all the multiplats coming out are far superior on the Xbox One X?
flashfire926
Member
Total number of games doesnt mean shit to me. Infact, I would rather prefer more quality control to prevent random ass shovelware/indies flooding the storefronts.
thelastword
Banned
How can you equate a remastered game that usually gives you improved visuals, more often than not 60fps framerate or stable framerate, less bugs, all the dlc as being the same as playing your old games with sub 30fps and judder.
Remasters and remakes are not BC by default, you have to buy the games again, because they have been reworked and improved (visually, framerate wise, sometimes gameplay and bugs). It's not the same as playing the same 360 and PS3 version uprezzed with framerate issues et al. Outside of remasters, the best way to play old games is on PC, not even a high end one at that. Crank up the Rez, AF, AA, apply some mods if you wish and voila, play at 4k 60fps.....Outside of that, if the developer goes back into the code and improves everything from character models, to shadows, to textures and framerate like was done in TLOU remastered or other remasters or even moreso for remakes, that's valid inspiration to reinvest in an older franchise or game...Yet, reinvesting in old titles (100 hr RPGs's) at sub 30fps with judder is just not an exciting proposition....
Gamers are weird though, some guy said that he prefers playing PUBG on XBOX over his souped up PC, because it's more fun to him there, I don't know if XBONEX has a fun chip that MS did not let Leadbetter reveal, but people are willing to forgo stable framerates, where they can actually shoot a target without getting an aneurysm, so maybe XBOX has a sauce somewhere...
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Kagey K
Banned
See this is why I said 3 or 4 pages ago that this doesn’t deserve the attention of anyone. All it does it stoke the flames and promote toxicity and divisionism in the gaming community.
This shit should have died forever ago and people like Jim need to focus on the real issues (and he does occasionally) instead of this flamebait shit.
The 2 posts I made earlier, combined with skimming this last page, and writing this post is more attention from me than the topic deserves.
Everyone else should do the same and let this shit die already. It’s a freaking pathetic attention grab and obviously it worked for some.
This shit should have died forever ago and people like Jim need to focus on the real issues (and he does occasionally) instead of this flamebait shit.
The 2 posts I made earlier, combined with skimming this last page, and writing this post is more attention from me than the topic deserves.
Everyone else should do the same and let this shit die already. It’s a freaking pathetic attention grab and obviously it worked for some.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
A lot of times when the back compatibility on xbox one or X does improves the frame rates, the textures are improved by the X version of a lot of games and even on the standard one it improves them by offering better filtering.
Now as to the FUN chip you go on about maybe you should actually try playing on an X to see that it can be FUN and that FUN isn't just in Sonys camp!!!!
What is more weird is your continued bashing of any post positive of xbox its kinda like an obsession for you
Well, he wasn't wrong. I have nothing against Microsoft or the Xbox, but the system has no identity. You can get everything you want from the console, elsewhere. Forgive me I'm missing some obvious exclusives, but apparently I don't want them bad enough because I don't have an XB1. I think a lot of people feel the same way. It's simply about appealing to audiences outside of the current genres they favor and making sure you can't play those games anywhere else, really.
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Toe-Knee
Member
Well you arent taking into consideration the fact that the general consumer only buys 2-3 a a year which is what a large portion of the ps4 user base is.
One of my friends had a ps4 since launch and has only bought cod ghosts bf4 and gtav but he plays those same games for a couple of hours a day usually. We'll currently he's been playing nothing but fortnite and blacklight.
cormack12
Gold Member
Like a few people on here, I've actually considered an Xbox One X in the last couple of months. I do have a PC as well, but things like gamepass are tempting and I'd like to have Gears Horde in the living room. Plus FH4 looks immense. There's just no room in my living room for my PC in there without looking cluttered.
Having said that Microsoft have bookended the console market, they have an entry level device and a premium device
Xbox One (S)
PS4
PS4 Pro
Xbox One X
I think if Microsoft dropped the console price to £350-£375 then they'd shift units. At the moment the price (just like the original Xbox One), is too high. I'm not arguing against the tech. It's great hardware. But it's like they don't understand how to price the market. If they want more people attached to the ecosystem then they need to drop the price, it's as simple as that.
Third parties move consoles as well. Sure Sony have a great number of first party exclusives. But the 360 was the console for competitive COD, which was huge. It was the console for FIFA players. You can't spend the latter years of your consoles lifecycle resting on the laurels of third parties, and then release your next console where the third parties look and perform significantly worse than the rival.
No one wants to jump in on a premium device this late into the generation without a hint of what the imminent future looks like for the Xbone One X
Having said that Microsoft have bookended the console market, they have an entry level device and a premium device
Xbox One (S)
PS4
PS4 Pro
Xbox One X
I think if Microsoft dropped the console price to £350-£375 then they'd shift units. At the moment the price (just like the original Xbox One), is too high. I'm not arguing against the tech. It's great hardware. But it's like they don't understand how to price the market. If they want more people attached to the ecosystem then they need to drop the price, it's as simple as that.
Third parties move consoles as well. Sure Sony have a great number of first party exclusives. But the 360 was the console for competitive COD, which was huge. It was the console for FIFA players. You can't spend the latter years of your consoles lifecycle resting on the laurels of third parties, and then release your next console where the third parties look and perform significantly worse than the rival.
No one wants to jump in on a premium device this late into the generation without a hint of what the imminent future looks like for the Xbone One X
You picked up the black friday deal I assume. There were without game options but you went with the deal price. It's clear that phil/you are trying to somehow discredit those sales figures but all the games mentioned were bundled and in several black friday deals too
Black Ops 3 had a bundle
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B015MSRAIE/
GTA5 was bundled with PS4 on black friday too. So was forza 7 and horizon 3 on multiple black fridays for the cheapest price ever:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-06-06-best-xbox-one-black-friday-deals
Halo 3 was also bundled with the elite. So I'm not sure what the value of mentioning bundles is when every other game brought up in comparison had similar bundles.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
so we saying the attach rate is not great this Gen?
Damien Crowley
Member
I stand by my comment some pages ago... it's C(onsole) W(ar) 2 (3? 12?) in here. So funny, so lame.
Thiagosc777
Member
Not discrediting anything, I am just pointing out what happened. Xbox has bundles, but there are many options to choose from. At the time I couldn't find a PS4 Slim without it, so I presume that everyone who bought one (right when it launched at the end of 2016) got a copy of this game.
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Toe-Knee
Member
Well he was actually saying pubg is more fun on pc so I have no clue where you are going here.
BANGS
Banned
That's just simply not true. Not everybody enjoys the same exclusives, but casuals love to flock to the same multiplats like sports games and calladooties and such. If you enjoy both calladooty, sports games, fortnite, etc you can play those on either console. What finalizes your decision on which console you buy is whether you like the exclusives on one console or the other. Also in the case of xbox which has very few true exclusives, that gives it a much lower chance of being bought as an ancillary console to PC gamers... Where as PC gamers will still buy switch and PS4 so they can play their exclusives...
Woo-Fu
Banned
I think when it comes to things a lot of people want to look at the top 5% of a graph and ignore the rest. The Xbox One can still be a good console even if it isn't the best console for the majority. When people have to classify everything at either the bottom or the top of a particular scale---like Jim is doing here---they're being intellectually dishonest for one reason or another.
On another point, I think the PC+console gamer is a relatively small minority of the market itself, regardless of how well represented they are on forums. I am a PC gamer and sure, if I were to buy a console to supplement that it'd be anything other than an Xbox One, but I don't think we're a large portion of the market. So I don't think Xbox One games being on PC is hurting Microsoft or the Xbox One in a meaningful way, certainly not enough to overcome the benefits they're getting from it. I also think we probably have the lowest attach rate of console owners since we only buy the outstanding exclusives.
Considering how I felt about the Xbox One after that initial, abysmal announcement, I'd say Microsoft has done a pretty good job after shooting themselves in the foot so spectacularly. Long as they stick with the plan of rebuilding their studios to compete favorably with first party efforts from their competitors I think they're in a good position going into the next console generation.
On another point, I think the PC+console gamer is a relatively small minority of the market itself, regardless of how well represented they are on forums. I am a PC gamer and sure, if I were to buy a console to supplement that it'd be anything other than an Xbox One, but I don't think we're a large portion of the market. So I don't think Xbox One games being on PC is hurting Microsoft or the Xbox One in a meaningful way, certainly not enough to overcome the benefits they're getting from it. I also think we probably have the lowest attach rate of console owners since we only buy the outstanding exclusives.
Considering how I felt about the Xbox One after that initial, abysmal announcement, I'd say Microsoft has done a pretty good job after shooting themselves in the foot so spectacularly. Long as they stick with the plan of rebuilding their studios to compete favorably with first party efforts from their competitors I think they're in a good position going into the next console generation.
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BANGS
Banned
You are correct. It's definitely the minority. But it's still a big chunk of the market... big enough to take seriously and cater to anyway...
phil_t98
#SonyToo
read what he said, he was dissing somebody because they prefferd to play something that was on xbox rather than PC, it was him who brought up the FUN chip,
Toe-Knee
Member
Well yeah there's that bit but he never mentioned the ps4 in that specific post he was just saying he can't understand someone liking it more on xbox where its objectively worse.
But to be fair it also runs like crap on a decent spec pc but that's to be expected with unfinished content.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
if you are on here a fair bit you see he Bashes the xbox at every opportunity and that was another dig, he is all for the PS4 which is a great console but the xbox bashing is tiresome.
The guy who said he enjoyed PUG on xbox more aint a bad thing, and he may have his reason such as friends have it on xbox, but then to say does the xbox have a FUN chip is just a cheap dig at the xbox again
Toe-Knee
Member
Well yeah that bit is a bit naff.if you are on here a fair bit you see he Bashes the xbox at every opportunity and that was another dig, he is all for the PS4 which is a great console but the xbox bashing is tiresome.
The guy who said he enjoyed PUG on xbox more aint a bad thing, and he may have his reason such as friends have it on xbox, but then to say does the xbox have a FUN chip is just a cheap dig at the xbox again
One thing I've never understood about 'gamers' is their desire for people on specific platforms to have a bad time.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It all comes down to tribalism.
Horsemama1956
Member
I don't agree with this at all. A tonne of compatibility issues could come up in the 90s. Windows 98 could be problematic as well. Configuring games in DOS could sometimes be a chore. Sound Cards were especially a pain in the ass.
I guess if you just played the huge releases.
Toe-Knee
Member
Gotta love those IRQ issues.
BigLee74
Member
Crap video. Anybody that moans so hard about a perfectly functional interface just comes across as an idiot. Games are never more than a few button presses await - it's not rocket science. And the old "it's not exclusive because it's also available on a PC" line. It's exclusive amongst all consoles, and that's what counts. Not everybody wants a PC. Every owned PC is not a gaming PC. Even people with gaming PCs might just want to kick back on a sofa for certain games. Irrelevant nonsense.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
basicly comes across as if he has an agenda against somethings just to be contraversal. Xbox is a perfectly good console and just because it doesn't have the sales numbers it seems ok to shit on it
FF:Enhanced_Reality
Member
Mmm, that must be it. People bought 2 copies to inflate those sales numbers. Sneaky,
Sales numbers aside, I've never really seen the point in the XBOX and never more than today. My semi-decent PC will run a lot of their games at low or medium settings, so if I really wanted to enjoy their games, I'd just play them on PC. They really don't give you a reason to need to buy an XBOX if you aren't a big fan of their first party offerings or you already have another console. I genuinely thought Microsoft blew Sony away in terms of the E3 conference, but when reflecting on the content, there wasn't very much there that made me think I just have to buy an XBOX. The beauty of SEGA being the third console back in the day is that it gave me the opportunity to play all those arcade games I loved at an affordable price and it made it a worthwhile second console because those games were never going to come to PlayStation whilst SEGA was a platform holder. SEGA just never grasped when arcades were dying that content is king and it can't get any better than an exclusive game. Perhaps they realised it too late after many, many, many bad decisions.
I just feel as though the console business isn't necessarily the most profitable way to use Windows for gaming. I actually think that Microsoft could build a platform like what Valve proposed with their Steam Machines and they could make a ridiculous amount of money that way. By being platform agnostic, allowing hardware companies to licence the XBOX brand and turn it into a hardware family, they could rake in the money from licence fees. They could reach such an audience that XBOX One probably just isn't going to reach.
The only thing that will really force people to buy an XBOX is to become anti-consumer, as people say. Make decisions that prioritise your platform. Accept that the world isn't made out of sunshine, rainbows and daisies. That quite honesty the video game grave yard adds more developers, publishers and consoles every year. More developers than most. But if Microsoft went as far as to say, buy Konami. They suddenly own such a vast wealth of IP that some people would simply have to buy an XBOX, but that would be anti-consumer and in todays current climate would lead you into a gigantic shit storm.