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[YouTube] Shirrako's account reinstated after killing feminist NPC in RDR2 [Restored: Read OP]
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Iaterain
Member
It quite similar to Logan Paul's situation, when he had uploaded a video of dead body.
Both are popular youtubers who are trying to make the edgiest video ever for clicks and views. Both have made really disgusting and immoral videos. One got away with it, the other got punished.
If you ask me, I feel sorry for this person it is a great loss for him. But when I saw his videos on reddit my first impression was disgust. It was't just a playing a game, he has put a certain violent and political "message" in his gameplay video in order to make it "spicier". That is why his channel was terminated.
I want youtube to be place of freedom and creativity, but for some certain people, who have no chill, sadly, there should be drawn "a line".
Both are popular youtubers who are trying to make the edgiest video ever for clicks and views. Both have made really disgusting and immoral videos. One got away with it, the other got punished.
If you ask me, I feel sorry for this person it is a great loss for him. But when I saw his videos on reddit my first impression was disgust. It was't just a playing a game, he has put a certain violent and political "message" in his gameplay video in order to make it "spicier". That is why his channel was terminated.
I want youtube to be place of freedom and creativity, but for some certain people, who have no chill, sadly, there should be drawn "a line".
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Exactly! You got it.
Enygger_Tzu
Banned
Funny, in my old Greek forum from the 11' we and at least 20 other people wanted to pull down the video of a "Grey Wolf" (Turkey's hard-right extremist group) where they burn a Greek flag and chant their rhetory about murdering Greeks, it took us 9 months (!) to pull this video down with at least two persons flagging it daily.
So, forgive me for not believing or trusting YT stuff to be impartial.
ILLtown
Member
What's immoral about punching a feminist NPC in a video game?
What's immoral about calling a feminist NPC "annoying"?
So you don't want it to be a place of freedom then. You lcontradicted yourself in only one sentence, lol.
JordanN
Banned
Except the dead body in Logan's video was real.
NPCs are not real.
If we're drawing the line on morality, then again, what's going to happen to video games where you can kill Gandhi?
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You are being Entitled right now. It's Google's own servers. They have the right to say what does and doesn't belong on their own website. Not you! You are allowed to not like Youtube though and go to DailyMotion if you'd like.
The Incarnation
Member
It doesn't matter what he's pushing, it what people perceive he is pushing. He was naive, especially in this current climate and he was taken down.
It's not nice having your every move judged, and blown out of all proportion and judged extra harshly is it?. Similar to the life of a black man.
You can simply lie to the police and get someone arrested, they may not get charged, but you can do that. It's happened to me twice, so I'm well aware of the bullshit.
You know the score, so keep your head on a swivel. Best way to beat this shit is to starve the fuckers.
Tripolygon
Banned
I feel like i've gotten my wires crossed somewhere as im replying to different people so let me refresh.
In regards to youtube actions
ILLtown: But his previous "killing cops" videos were fine, it seems.....
Me: Different things carry certain connotations and draws different reactions from different people.
(no outrage from people so it did not draw youtube and social media attention)
You: Except the argument is: why is the same behaviour perpetrated against one arbitrary collection of 0 and 1s treated differently than against another arbitrary collection of 0 and 1s
And the answer is: Double standards.
Me: That's exactly what i said. Its double standards
(people reacted differently to this situation so the outcome was different)
You: Check the words I put in bold in my original comment. You appear to have mistaken one for the other.
About as ill-considered as the implicit endorsement of double-standards.
Me: You took exception to the answer i gave which is similar answer you gave (double standards) but worded differently.
I'm not for double standards, i'm for treating certain subjects and situations different depending on context.
You: I take exception to someone quoting me and stating "that's exactly what I said" and then referring to something I specifically didn't say.
Me: Take exact in the same vein as literally meaning not literally. I said certain things gets different reaction from people, his previous videos did not but these recent videos did that is why he was banned. Like people having double standards for certain things
You: A corporation or a service or a video hosting site is not a being.
And, on contrary to an inconsistent being, it governs its content by a (supposedly) uniform code of conduct and terms of service.
If it doesn't do this uniformally then people cannot know what the rules are.
If the rules are not known, people cannot comply with them.
Me: I wasn't talking about corporations, i was talking about the situation that led to a corporation taking an action. People reacted to his video which led to Google the corporation banning him.
You: So, once we move the goalposts back into their original position, you'll find the specifics of the concerns are not addressed by your casual re-wording and misrepresentation of them.
Me: I haven't moved the goalpost, i still maintain that people didn't react to his other videos the same way they reacted to his feminist videos. Again like people having double standards to certain things and topics.
You: Not only are you espousing endorsement for double-standards, you're fooling yourself by treating "same" as "different" and giving sentience to lifeless entities in order to justify it.
This is the path of distortion and misrepresentation that simply leads to more distortion and misrepresentation as the double-standard hole you start to dig for yourself gets deeper and deeper and deeper.
Me: I am not espousing double standards. I am saying certain contexts will change my reactions to certain things. If his title was killing whites, blacks, women, children, it would get a different reaction out of me than killing nazis, men, people, npcs. If the channel however was owned by a girl and her title was killing men, it would have gotten a strong reaction out of me.
I do not and have never proclaimed my views were universal because they are not. My views change based on contexts. My reaction change based on contexts as well, if that means i have double standard then i suppose it is but my views on double standards is if every things remain equal but the subject is different then they ought to be treated equally. But then again that does not hold true in every situation for me.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I have to assume that being it was 7 years ago, that's why it took that long. YouTube has changed since then overall when it comes to banning videos of certain types.
rubenburgt
Member
His channel seems to be unbanned and those videos are available again.
Enygger_Tzu
Banned
So, you try to say you are not hypocrite by being hypocritical?
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Enygger_Tzu
Banned
I love it when stories end well!
Helios
Member
He's still leeching off drama since that's the thing bringing him money, but honestly he's been helping a lot of people with issues similar to this.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So how do we all view Youtube now?
Stuart360
Member
Fuck you SJW's.
Enygger_Tzu
Banned
Reversing a bad, unfair decision that exposed their double standards, why you are offended about it?
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
TFW Gay Retard's video didn't destroy keemstar smh.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I'm not offended at all. Seems there were some people wanting to boycott YouTube over this. Now I'm wondering how they feel about YouTube now after the reversal.
they still suck. this shouldn't have happened in the first place.
Enygger_Tzu
Banned
I thought your stance was that "YT can do whatever they want with their property to avoid image damage." Well it seems that the damage from catering to some insignificant minority is bigger than silencing a dissenting voice.
Tripolygon
Banned
Pixels that represent people. Even if said pixels do not represent people but animals, people still form emotional attachment to them. It is simply reductionist to say they are pixels, they're not just pixels. Those pixels mean something that is why we are able to get emotional reaction from words in books, paints on canvases, notes in a song and pixels on a screen
But it doesn't to different people, if it did, it would have gotten similar reaction.
It is the mere fact that something is different that elicits different response from people.
Inciting violence against people is wrong. That does not change that people will react differently depending on who.
I don't see anyone in this thread calling for that.
macfoshizzle
Member
if i remember correctly, there is a mission in this game where you break out a criminal from jail and basically shoot and kill the entire town's police.
Schrödinger's cat
Banned
No. The same act remains the same, regardless of a third party's interpretation of it.
And if such delicate context matters, it does so at remarkable expense to significant details such as, oh, I don't know.. ..say.. distinguishing reality from fantasy.
ILLtown
Member
My opinion on YouTube is unchanged, because I've seen this happen before more than once.
Consistency and clarity is what's needed. Here's 2 things that I think are likely true: -
1. If it wasn't for the media and outrage mobs, this guy's content would never have been touched in the first place.
2. If it wasn't for big name YouTubers starting to go to bat for this guy, I don't think the outcome would have been the same.
It's not just YouTube either that has these problems. Several other large platforms do as well.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Thanks pc yoshi
EDMIX
Member
Agreed and when it comes to that type of support, of course they are going to stand by the sponsors. That type of platform for as big as it is, also means that type of content is clearly going to be......frowned upon lol
Helios
Member
Same as before. There shouldn't be a public outrage needed to restore a channel. Give them time to dispute the claim or to take the video down.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The funny part is all three of those are the same company. It's the very reason that regurgitate the same bullshit.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You're missing the point. Think about it and my point that you just repeated. YT literally did just that. They did what they wanted. At first they took it down. Then backlash happened and they put it all back up with some age restrictions. I call that a smart company that understands how to maneuver in today's world. It's great.
Tripolygon
Banned
Good for you but doesn't work like that in the real world. We apply different standards to different people in similar situations all the time.
Tripolygon
Banned
Free market is a beautiful thing. Sometimes. Still fuck you ATT and Comcast.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
LOL!
It didn't matter to me if he was banned or not. I didn't lose my mind when he got banned. Nor did I lose my mind when I learned that he posted those video killing women NPCs. *shrugs*
Musky_Cheese
Banned
Shouldn’t have been banned in the first place. Good for YouTube getting this right.
Tripolygon
Banned
Since things have blown over sort of with regards to this situation, i would just like to say thanks to
Schrödinger's cat
ILLtown
and
nkarafo
for a semi respectful heated debate, cheers. See you next time. Lol
Schrödinger's cat
ILLtown
and
nkarafo
for a semi respectful heated debate, cheers. See you next time. Lol
ILLtown
Member
I don't think it's smart at all, because it creates an air of uncertainty and erodes trust. That's the last thing you should want content creators to feel as a platform holder, cos they're your bread and butter. I wouldn't want to feel like my content can be taken down if a video of mine attracts the attention of some wanky video game websites and they start clutching at pearls over it, nor would I want to feel like my only chance of getting my content/channel back is to hope that I can tweet at Boogie or Keemstar and have them help me it. That's not great. It's fucking garbage.
I want clarity and consistency, not mob rule.
Barakov
Gold Member
You know what, I can see those videos getting flagged but nuking the entire channel? Ridiculous. This is youtube showing their hypocrisy again. If they did this to a male character they wouldn't even blink. They might even promote it actually.I don't think he got banned for just one video:
nkarafo
Member
Videogames are entertainment. This particular game is also not for everyone. It's a very violent game. If you can't handle the depicted violence you are free to avoid it and play something else. You are also free to avoid videos about said game. Endorsing it's censorship just because you don't like it is just bullshit in my eyes.
Anyway, thanks for the debate too man.
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Javthusiast
Banned
Pointed out what hypocrites people on ReeeEra are for giving zero shit about all the men and women getting killed in the game in tons of videos, but making a big fuss about this feminist npc video and game bloggers going on a triggered spree.
Promtly got banned till november 14th, lmao.
Once I have access again I am going out with a nice little post there to be released from that hivemind for good. xD
Promtly got banned till november 14th, lmao.
Once I have access again I am going out with a nice little post there to be released from that hivemind for good. xD
HagglesworthMD
Member
NPCs are real people guys, unless they are male NPCs, in which case you can do whatever you want with them!
People who say he deserved to get banned over this are no better than the people that say videogames make kids violent. Get a grip.
They don't like differing opinions, that's for sure! I was banned (reason they gave: transphobia) for saying how someone sees gender is subjective and different to every person.
People who say he deserved to get banned over this are no better than the people that say videogames make kids violent. Get a grip.
They don't like differing opinions, that's for sure! I was banned (reason they gave: transphobia) for saying how someone sees gender is subjective and different to every person.
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