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[anthraticus]

When political ideologues posing as gamers infiltrated the industry writing their opeds. When identity politics and fringe social "sciences" are being taught in schools, combined with the years of reality show conditioning and attachment to drama and social media self importance. etc., etc..

Even though I am older (mid 40s), it does kinda makes me happy to have grown up/went to school, ect.... before all this nonsense.

That and not having any kids which have to go thru it either.

 

[-MD-]

I've got dudes in my sights.

Both my mains ended up being flaming homosexuals (Tracer/Soldier)

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

Both my mains ended up being flaming homosexuals (Tracer/Soldier)

Your subconscious seems to be trying to tell you something...

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I've got dudes in my sights.

Both my mains ended up being flaming homosexuals (Tracer/Soldier)

Cheers, Love!

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Personally not at all. I have never played a video game and thought or cared about what race or sexuality a character is. People that worry about these things generally aren’t gamers, but people looking to make a talking point for their agenda IMO.

I'd personally suspect a psychological predisposition.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Even though I am older (mid 40s), it does kinda makes me happy to have grown up/went to school, ect.... before all this nonsense.

That and not having any kids which have to go thru it either.

Honest question, not being combative or anything:

What makes it nonsense to you? Is it nonsense that a character in a video game is gay, like just in general?

If you’re feeling like this kind of thing is shoehorned into games too much I can understand you, just know that this really isn’t a big deal. It has basically no presence in the game itself and is just part of a side comic book that I think a lot of OW gamers don’t even read.

I could be wrong though.

 

[CatCouch]

I think it matters. People like seeing parts of who they are and what they like represented in entertainment. It's important to some and not to others, just like most everything.

I really wish we (mostly on social media and the gaming press) could get away from over-analyzing everything. I constantly see a contradictory belief that all entertainment must represent everyone while still exclusively catering to me. I'm not even sure how possible that is. It's one of the worst traits of our current culture.

I love there are gay characters in Overwatch! The characters and art matter a lot. Lots of people write fan fiction, draw fan art and cosplay as these characters so they do matter outside of just gameplay. Of course, for others this is a competitive sport first and foremost so adding sexual preferences to backstories is at the bottom of the list of things to care about. Some seem to look at it as getting in the way. It's a tough situation.

I think we'll have to get over complaining about this kind of stuff or gaming will be an impossibly frustrating medium. It's a fairly unique dilemma since games are one of the only things I can think of that are a storytelling art medium and a full sport. Overwatch having the backstories in comics and the game be centered only on gameplay seems like Blizzard thought this out already, but it doesn't seem to matter much in this era of daily bickering.

 

[anthraticus]

Honest question, not being combative or anything:

What makes it nonsense to you? Is it nonsense that a character in a video game is gay, like just in general?

If you’re feeling like this kind of thing is shoehorned into games too much I can understand you, just know that this really isn’t a big deal. It has basically no presence in the game itself and is just part of a side comic book that I think a lot of OW gamers don’t even read.

I could be wrong though.

No, I'm not anti gay or anything, just don't even see why it should matter or be brought up in the first place.

Especially in a non story driven game where people are just running around shooting each other online and such. I don't play this stuff, but isn't that what this is ?

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I think we'll have to get over complaining about this kind of stuff or gaming will be an impossibly frustrating medium. .

Well said. This sums up my feeling regarding the “The Punisher Goes WOKE” thread in the politics sub.

Sometimes in life you just gotta pick your battles. To me a gay hero in a competitive team FPS just isn’t worth controversy.

But that’s just me

 

[Cornucopia]

I agree with that it would be a coincidence but the trust of Blizzard is getting crashed.
Suspection is acceptable after something happened,like Diablo Immortal.

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

People like seeing parts of who they are and what they like represented in entertainment.

Do you need to relate to everything about Huck Finn to realize the genius of Mark Twain? You should be able to relate to the shared humanity we all have. If you can’t, I think that makes you a sociopath.

I love there are gay characters in Overwatch!

I don’t care one way or another. I just think tokenism is the laziest form of writing, and when I see people praising lazy writing, I make fun of them because they have lazy opinions.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Do you need to relate to everything about Huck Finn to realize the genius of Mark Twain? You should be able to relate to the shared humanity we all have. If you can’t, I think that makes you a sociopath.


I don’t care one way or another. I just think tokenism is the laziest form of writing, and when I see people praising lazy writing, I make fun of them because they have lazy opinions.

In your opinion.

 

[Ridaxan]

I don't really care much for representation in videogames (or any form of media) and I've never encountered a character that I'd deem "relatable". I think it's cool if it does matter for some people, but it simply doesn't for me. I'm glad that there's things like this that make people happy.

 

[Wunray]

 

[Wulfric]

No, I'm not anti gay or anything, just don't even see why it should matter or be brought up in the first place.

Especially in a non story driven game where people are just running around shooting each other online and such. I don't play this stuff, but isn't that what this is ?

That's the whole point. It doesn't (or shouldn't) matter in real life.

It doesn't even need to be part of the plot. There doesn't need to be a special reason for inclusion. People simply like to see others like themselves in the games they play.

 

[CuNi]

I think there is also the topic of inclusion or change made to a character that seems unnecessary or done afterwards to look like you include certain communities. With that I don't mean overwatch, as the game obviously tells its story in comics and shorts outside the actual game. But there are many examples of this, with a prominent one being Dumbledore being portrayed as gay well after the stories have been told. That and inclusion that feels forced are sadly mostly prominent and they are a problem as they anger the player base and don't really satisfy anyone as it feels rushed, half assed and done just to "be part of the crowd". I also think that forced inclusions in games and other forms of entertainment fuel a distrust and negative stance against all forms of inclusion because the majority simply feels forced upon you. While I do think that the way they did it does not meet their standards like with zarya and tracer, I still think it's a good way to include them into the narrative. But there is a way larger amount of shitty or rushed inclusion that just piss of people and promote the image of bad quality and force then there are good ones sadly.

Tldr I think forced inclusions in media and entertainment fuel a negative attitude towards general inclusion because of forceful precedents.

 

[CatCouch]

Do you need to relate to everything about Huck Finn to realize the genius of Mark Twain? You should be able to relate to the shared humanity we all have. If you can’t, I think that makes you a sociopath.

I like seeing the type of art that represents my interests in games. Some of it is tied to my sexual preferences. It's hard to separate that from from my interests. For some people gay characters is what they want to see, some like attractive women, others like idealized male power fantasy characters. Maybe some only care about guns and combat. It's all preference and there is no "one size fits all" solution.

I think there's a misunderstanding that everyone wants content purely to represent their real life selves. I think there is more than one way to relate to characters in games. I want gay characters but not because I'm gay. I'm not a woman but I will always play as a woman if given the chance. I particularly like sex appeal, male or female, human or anthro! I don't ever want to see those things go because others don't care.

I think it does more harm than good to try to police content in games. I hate seeing people argue against a game for including gay characters just as much as I hate seeing people argue a game is offensive for sexy women or bad just for not including a gay character. We're stuck in "damned if you do, damned if you don't" territory.

Inclusion is a good thing when people don't over-analyze it to find fault, which is what happens pretty much every time a game that has women, minorities or gay characters is shown. It's not about realizing the genius of a work, but more about accepting all different kinds of work. Having gay characters in OW is part of our shared humanity!

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

It does not effect me either way the characters can be whatever blizzard want them to be it is perfectly fine.

The only time I have issues with things like this is when they change established lore/history to fit their new narrative, for instance if BFV was not based on WW2 would anyone of cared? Nope, would of been awesome as a Bad Company.

 

[Xiaoki]

Good things kids won't see a comic book for their favorite game and feel inclined to buy it. It's a FPS, not a David Cage game...

 

[Dacon]

I’m glad blizzard have stopped developing single player campaigns.

After what theyve done to the story/lore in Starcraft 2 and WoW I think I'm on board.

 

[Zaffo]

Just stop giving blizzard attentions for this kind of lazy attempts at making internet drama, best way to make attention hungry sjw stew is to ignore them.

 

[MilkyJoe]

How do you have a gay character in a game without a story? Does he yell "yoo hoo, sailor" before you shoot someone?

 

[Conan-san]

 

[DynamiteCop!]

I'm getting sick and tired of this stuff infesting our video games. Look, I don't care if you're gay, straight, bi, he, she, they, them whatever, it doesn't matter. I'm tired of games thinking that characters need sexual representation or that people need to know their orientation, gender or biological makeup.

Do I know what Master Chief's gender identity or sexual preference is? No, and I don't care because it doesn't matter. Do I know if Lara Croft is a lesbian or not? No, and I don't care because it doesn't matter. Do I know whether or not Princess Daisy is a female or a trans-woman? No, and I don't care because it doesn't matter.

These are video game characters, I don't need to be clued into what they have between their legs, what they believe themselves to be or who they have sex with. This shitty political agenda trying to brute force ideals onto the populous of gamers through games is reaching a breaking point, someone needs to put an end to this crap.

 

[Halo0629]

How do you have a gay character in a game without a story? Does he yell "yoo hoo, sailor" before you shoot someone?

Ikr. I can understand when it's a story driven action or rpg but doesn't really make sense to me when it's a mp driven shooter without a story. Feels just like pandering.

 

[Bonfires Down]

Why don't we flip it around and pretend that the norm was for video game characters to be gay. Would you then enjoy having a few straight characters here and there? I know I would.

 

[Yoshi]

There needs to be one of two things:
1. A dinosaur (then I choose that)
2. A default selection (then I choose that, if no dinosaur is available)

The only exception to that rule is that in traditional fighting games, I always play a female character because they tend to be the fastest.

So basically what I care about is
- How does the character play?
- Is it a dinosaur?
- Can I select it without moving the analog stick or d-pad?

Since most of the time in games with bigger selections of characters the first point is irrelevant (the all play alike), it comes down to dinosaur or not dinosaur.

 

[dispensergoinup]

Some of you guys are overreacting, if you'd played the game you'd be like oh ok that makes sense....

 

[guggnichso]

I'm getting sick and tired of this stuff infesting our video games. Look, I don't care if you're gay, straight, bi, he, she, they, them whatever, it doesn't matter. I'm tired of games thinking that characters need sexual representation or that people need to know their orientation, gender or biological makeup.

Do I know what Master Chief's gender identity or sexual preference is? No, and I don't care because it doesn't matter. Do I know if Lara Croft is a lesbian or not? No, and I don't care because it doesn't matter. Do I know whether or not Princess Daisy is a female or a trans-woman? No, and I don't care because it doesn't matter.

These are video game characters, I don't need to be clued into what they have between their legs, what they believe themselves to be or who they have sex with. This shitty political agenda trying to brute force ideals onto the populous of gamers through games is reaching a breaking point, someone needs to put an end to this crap.

So, you say you don‘t care and then post a three paragraph rant about how you do care?

 

[DynamiteCop!]

So, you say you don‘t care and then post a three paragraph rant about how you do care?

That's not how logic works, bud.

I don't care to have these irrelevant leftwing socio political agendas injected into my video games, that doesn't mean I don't care to criticize it.

 

[Orta]

End of the day, we're talking about pixels on a screen ffs.

99% of players don't give a toss, we don't need to know who puts his virtual penis where.

 

[Orange_Man_Good]

That's not how logic works, bud.

I don't care to have these irrelevant leftwing socio political agendas injected into my video games, that doesn't mean I don't care to criticize it.

Because you do care, you can't stand the idea of a gay person existing in your favorite game. Most videogame characters have their sexual preference set as straight and they tell you, but you don't care. But a character mention a gay love, and you lose your mind.

There was no outrage over Torbjorn having a family after all.

Or Widowmaker's ex-husband.


It's only when a character mention a same-sex lover that you and people like you lose your shit, because you do care and you start to rant about "why does it matter???" while at the same time avoiding this kind of content.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Because you do care, you can't stand the idea of a gay person existing in your favorite game. Most videogame characters have their sexual preference set as straight and they tell you, but you don't care. But a character mention a gay love, and you lose your mind.


There was no outrage over Torbjorn having a family after all.


Or Widowmaker's ex-husband.


It's only when a character mention a same-sex lover that you and people like you lose your shit, because you do care and you start to rant about "why does it matter???" while at the same time avoiding this kind of content.

This is a bunch of bullshit and you're projecting your perceptions of what you think as my ideals. Absolute nonsensical post.

 

[Dacon]

Some of you guys are overreacting, if you'd played the game you'd be like oh ok that makes sense....

I play the game every day and I have no idea wtf youre talking about. In fact these days Soldier is pretty irrelevant tbh, he's been pushed out of the meta so hard no one really plays him outside of quickplay and the occasional streamer, and when they do they bitch about him all the time.

 

[Whitecrow]

I dont care, but I dont like the need of talking about videogame characters sexual orientation just to please a small minority of people with mental disorders.

 

[Orange_Man_Good]

This is a bunch of bullshit and you're projecting your perceptions of what you think as my ideals. Absolute nonsensical post.

Good reply.

Did you cry during every FF story ever in which the characters informed you they liked the other sex?



Omg, why does it add to the story??? They are just pixels??

A love story on the cover? Stop virtue signaling!!! Also stop pushing sexuality on kids, you sick fuckers.

A wife and multiple kids??? Why aren't you mad about this. They are PUSHING his sexuality on you and has ZERO to do with the story. It feels FORCED. What does it add to the game?

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Good reply.

Did you cry during every FF story ever in which the characters informed you they liked the other sex?



Omg, why does it add to the story??? They are just pixels??

A love story on the cover? Stop virtue signaling!!! Also stop pushing sexuality on kids, you sick fuckers.

A wife and multiple kids??? Why aren't you mad about this. They are PUSHING his sexuality on you and has ZERO to do with the story. It feels FORCED. What does it add to the game?

How do you know they're the other sex? Are you presuming to know their biological makeup and gender identities and then project? Maybe the mom is the dad, maybe the dad is the mom, maybe Tidus is a girl.

Slippery slope my friend, this is what this dumb shit leads to.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

O Orange_Man_Good

No. Most games you just get a male or female character and thats it. Dont confuse a deep story driven rpg like the Witcher where they have to tell you a full story of your character and its surrounding world,with an online shooter where its irrelevant what the sexual orientation of the character is because its just a fps. If his clothes/appearence dont say enough then you are trying way to hard "hey, guys we made a very special gay character".

Like so what? Obviously they are trying to just get extra points from lgbt when no one even complained. They recently made so many fuck ups so they are trying their hardest to be cool again. When i play a FPS or beat em up i dont think who my character will fuck. I chose one based on appearance that I think beat suits me or my "fashion" style. Unless you are trying to tell a story that affects sidequests and interaction with other players, saying a character is specifically gay in an online shooter is obvious political cringe.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

O Orange_Man_Good

No. Most games you just get a male or female character and thats it. Dont confuse a deep story driven rpg like the Witcher where they have to tell you a full story of your character and its surrounding world,with an online shooter where its irrelevant what the sexual orientation of the character is because its just a fps. If his clothes/appearence dont say enough then you are trying way to hard "hey, guys we made a very special gay character".

Like so what? Obviously they are trying to just get extra points from lgbt when no one even complained. They recently made so many fuck ups so they are trying their hardest to be cool again. When i play a FPS or beat em up i dont think who my character will fuck. I chose one based on appearance that I think beat suits me or my "fashion" style. Unless you are trying to tell a story that affects sidequests and interaction with other players, saying a character is specifically gay in an online shooter is obvious political cringe.

Just a question for you that should resolve how much this stuff is being injected into video games. How many characters are there in Overwatch and how many are LGBTQ?

 

[Orange_Man_Good]

Slippery slope my friend, this is what this dumb shit leads to.

Yeah, this post was pretty dumb. You should have thought it more.

O Orange_Man_Good

with an online shooter where its irrelevant what the sexual orientation of the character is because its just a fps. .

That's why there is no in game-CS, it's just a side comic among many side comics that casually reveal he was into the same sex as well other details about other characters.

Just like when they revealed Torbjorn had a family and he's married. Which mean he had sex. THEY ARE PUSHING SEXUALITY ON KIDS!!!

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Yeah, this post was pretty dumb. You should have thought it more.




That's why there is no in game-CS, it's just a side comic among many side comics that casually reveal he was into the same sex as well other details about other characters.

Just like when they revealed Torbjorn had a family and he's married. Which mean he had sex. THEY ARE PUSHING SEXUALITY ON KIDS!!!

How do you know he had sex? How do you know he's not a sperm donor and she was artificially inseminated? I'm seeing a lot of presumption from you right now.

Like I said you're on a slippery slope where your own leftist agendas can be flipped and thus turned on you.

 

[Orange_Man_Good]

How do you know he had sex? How do you know he's not a sperm donor and she was artificially inseminated? I'm seeing a lot of presumption from you right now.

Like I said you're on a slippery slope where your own leftist agendas can be flipped and thus turned on you.

You are trying too hard for someone who doesn't have an argument and just resorts to buzzword.



Holy shit, they are literally putting SEX in games now. This is FORCED. Stop pushing sex on kids.

Just a question for you that should resolve how much this stuff is being injected into video games. How many characters are there in Overwatch and how many are LGBTQ?

Oh, you don't even know what you are talking about?

Reactionaries gonna reactionary I guess.

 

[Alexios]

OW lore is pretty easy to ignore, how's it being forced any kind of argument? You have to go out of your way to see any of it as pretty much none is in the game itself, sadly enough as I do wish there was some SP campaign and even more context within the multiplayer matches like having the two teams comprise of actual opposing forces rather than a mixture that ignores their alignment. At the same time I don't wanna censor Blizzard's creators and writers either so if they want to have such material in or out of the game they can do so and people are free to avoid their super successful games, not to demand censors. Plus their audience clearly wants to keep seeing more of these outside the game lore bits and keeps asking for more, thus they're made to keep them engaged, if they're not for you just steer clear, it's easy.

 

[Dacon]

OW lore is pretty easy to ignore, how's it being forced any kind of argument? You have to go out of your way to see any of it as pretty much none is in the game itself,

This isnt necessarily true, if you follow the game or even gaming at all youre going to see this stuff at a glance at news articles and tweets. I got up pretty late today and got on twitter, looked on a few games sites and a lot of the posts/threads were just SOLDIER IS GAY everywhere.

 

[guggnichso]

That's not how logic works, bud.

I don't care to have these irrelevant leftwing socio political agendas injected into my video games, that doesn't mean I don't care to criticize it.

Being gay is now a left wing socio political agenda? You learn more every day.

It’s a shooty shooty pew pew game. You‘ll be able to play it and completely ignore if a character in there is written as being gay in a comic.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Being gay is now a left wing socio political agenda? You learn more every day.

It’s a shooty shooty pew pew game. You‘ll be able to play it and completely ignore if a character in there is written as being gay in a comic.

Being gay is not, but forcing LGBTQ narratives and left wing ideological standings into video games exceeding the statistical standards for their existence is.

The national percentage of people that identify as LGBTQ is 3.8%, this games player percentage that are LGBTQ is 11.5%, three times the statistical standard for existence.

It's an agenda and I will remain that it's an agenda.

 

[guggnichso]

Being gay is not, but forcing LGBTQ narratives and left wing ideological standings into video games exceeding the statistical standards for their existence is.

The national percentage of people that identify as LGBTQ is 3.8%, this games player percentage that are LGBTQ is 11.5%, three times the statistical standard for existence.

It's an agenda and I will remain that it's an agenda.

So you actually care a whole fucking lot about pixels being gay.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

So you actually care a whole fucking lot about pixels being gay.

I care about social norms being represented, not ideologies.

 

[guggnichso]

I care about social norms being represented, not ideologies.

In a shooty shooty bang bang game with talking monkeys.

 

[Orange_Man_Good]

I care about social norms being represented, not ideologies.

No, you don't care about it, you don't even know what the game is about:

Just a question for you that should resolve how much this stuff is being injected into video games. How many characters are there in Overwatch and how many are LGBTQ?

You don't want gay people in games and hide behind buzzwords like "agendaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" and "Muhhh leftiiiiiiiiii".

Also L LOL at using "statics" seriously.