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Brie Larson Isn’t Letting Her ‘Captain Marvel’ Press Tour Be ‘Overwhelmingly’ White and Male

mckmas8808

Banned
Of course, it's a feminist movie!

It's Ghostbusters 2016 over again. The mainstream media is going to go with the "so brave" and the world "needs" this movie.

And the rest of the world is going to be: meh.

So lets say the movie makes $105 million in America the first weekend, and makes $125 million internationally the first weekend? How would you view those numbers?

mckmas8808 mckmas8808 , "failures" as in areas where the film fell short.

The general Consensus is that the film is average nothing amazing, that could be considered a failure,

The other consensus is that Larson is just kind of flat in most of the reviews not much personality that could also be considered a failure

You can have more than one weakness in a film, these "failures" don't mean the film is an overall failure...

That makes a lot of sense.
 
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Barnabot

Member
It's a newish thing called "Outrage Marketing". Purposely put something out there to piss off the so-called "other side" then sit back and watch them market your product, article, brand, etc for you. Like this Gucci Blackface sweater.
I think you are overestimating Disney 's PR and Brie Larson hence giving them too much credit. When you say Outrage Marketing I'm only seeing Brie Larson's hubris trying to tell to anyone that she wants to score as activist and that she also knows which target is the newest chewing toy which some "feminists" like to play with.

Some people are just stupid sometimes. Not a mastermind at all. Sometimes they just have luck for having some kind of "company armor" trying to save her and also their product from being damaged.
 
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mckmas8808

Banned
I think you are overestimating Disney 's PR and Brie Larson hence giving them too much credit. When you say Outrage Marketing I'm only seeing Brie Larson's hubris trying to tell to anyone that she wants to score as activist and that she also knows which target is the newest chewing toy which some "feminists" like to play with.

Some people are just stupid sometimes. Not a mastermind at all. Sometimes they just have luck for having some kind of "company armor" trying to save her and also their product from being damaged.

Oh I'm sorry, I wasn't talking about Brie at all there. I was talking about bloggers and website authors writing reviews saying things like "incels & dateless white males want to hate this movie". Those people clearly are trying to piss you off, in order to motivate you to talk about how terrible they are and hopefully link to the review for others to read.
 

#Phonepunk#

Banned
^otm. it is marketing a product by showing how much your enemies would hate it if you bought it. you see the results in comments like "I hope this does really well so that manbabies shut up."

IMO if you want to buy a product, do it for yourself, not for some "cause" and not to make some unseen enemy angry.
 
Chris' review is up



He praises the CGI deaging effects

Says movie feels like a phase 1 film

Sounds like the beginning is the best part of the movie to a lot of reviewers

Says Larson gives an uneven performance

Grades it a

C
 
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Javthusiast

Banned
Chris' review is up

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mckmas8808

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Chris' review is up



He praises the CGI deaging effects

Says movie feels like a phase 1 film

Sounds like the beginning is the best part of the movie to a lot of reviewers

Says Larson gives an uneven performance

Grades it a

C


Sounds like Captain Marvel is a good appetizer meal, before the real dinner is served.
 

plushyp

Member
I feel like Captain Marvel would have been better positioned had it been released a few months after Infinity War. Basically, swapped positions with Ant Man & the Wasp.
 

mckmas8808

Banned
Ahh yes? What the hell do you think marketing teams are for? Do you think it's just a coincidence that studios move their release dates around each other?

Do you actually think these studios never talk?

You said something about RT being influenced by money. And it seemed as if you were claiming Disney paid RT to confuse us or change the movie scores.
 

LMJ

Member
The real shame here is that this is Marvel's 1st major attempt at a female lead movie, And because of their shall we say "woke" advertising and their vocal starlet it gained a lot of attention that it didn't need.

This is the one area I would argue that DC has destroyed Marvel because the Wonder Woman movie didn't feel the need to beat us over the head with "women are amazing" and "she's a her-o" and all this other stupid feminist jargon (The director of the CM admitted it's a feminist film)

They just let Wonder Woman be amazing in her movie, They let her show that she could carry her own by amazing characterization and excellent writing...

It's no secret that Marvel wants to take its movies in a more female lead direction...they've admitted to this multiple times, hopefully this will be a wake up call for them and they'll realize strong characters, excellent writing, and an actual personality make for great characters not some silly agenda
 
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oagboghi2

Member
You said something about RT being influenced by money. And it seemed as if you were claiming Disney paid RT to confuse us or change the movie scores.
Of course they are influenced by money. Look at the home page. It's covered with advertising.

Is it a coincidence that Rotten Tomatoes changed their frontend UI and backend data just in response to Captain Marvel?
 

mckmas8808

Banned
Of course they are influenced by money. Look at the home page. It's covered with advertising.

Is it a coincidence that Rotten Tomatoes changed their frontend UI and backend data just in response to Captain Marvel?

What frontend UI? Are you talking about the removal of the "Want to See" percentage?
 

fantomena

Member
I just watched it and Im really happy I did as one of my reasons was to prepare myself for Endgame and the movie (especially the mid-credits scene) did exactly that. Pretty simple, I have another theory regarding the Endgame Superbowl TV spot.

The movie does indeed set up Endgame.
 

mckmas8808

Banned
I just watched it and Im really happy I did as one of my reasons was to prepare myself for Endgame and the movie (especially the mid-credits scene) did exactly that. Pretty simple, I have another theory regarding the Endgame Superbowl TV spot.

The movie does indeed set up Endgame.

Thanks for keeping your comment to the point without spoiling. Hype rising.
 

Javthusiast

Banned
It is a mediocore movie and I am totally fine with it topping out at 600 million worldwide. They would still make profit, but less than the deadpools, guardians, suicide squad or wonder woman and that would send a nice message.
 

sol_bad

Member
I just watched it and Im really happy I did as one of my reasons was to prepare myself for Endgame and the movie (especially the mid-credits scene) did exactly that. Pretty simple, I have another theory regarding the Endgame Superbowl TV spot.

The movie does indeed set up Endgame.

Two more days for me, God damn I am getting hype for Captain Larson.

Seeing how Dunki liked my first post in this chain, I'm going to assume my interpretation of his statement is right.

So, the point we're trying to make is that the ticket sales are helped a bit by there being no new movies showing this week, in some locations.
Some people like going to the movies weekly. Some like to watch something new when they do.
So without other new movies to watch, they'll watch this.

To what extent that's true or not, who knows.
But that was the point being made.

I hope that's cleared it up :)

Yes, that is what I thought you guys were saying. It's like you're saying "it's only going to do well financially because there are no other new films this week, people have no other choice". But like I mentioned in one of my previous posts, this is always the case for big budget films. Captain Marvel is not the exception to the rule, it's always been the rule. All the comic book / big blockbuster movies try and premiere on their own so there is no competition between each other.

Captain Marvel, Dumbo, Shazam!, Hellboy, Endgame, Detective Pikachu, Godzila: King of Monsters, Dark Phoenix, Men in Black International, Toy Story 4, Far From Home. They are all premiering on their own with no other big budget film competing. Yes, smaller low budget films will premiere in the same week but they are by default not competition.
 
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DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
was like who is Captain Mabel? lol ok:



one of the posted artworks is Rey making out with Kylo Ren. isn't that throwing mixed signals here? Kylo Ren is a toxic male Nazi. he was in command watching an entire star system of planets destroyed. he spent the last movie manipulating the strong female lead into being a whimpering lovestruck puppy. i guess "You are nothing, but not to me" is perfectly cool behavior, not abusive at all /s

is this an ironic toxic male pretending to be a SJW or something? idg these people, they make no sense.


Looks like a satire or troll account ... Everything about it screams fake and trollish.
 

Dunki

Member
You said something about RT being influenced by money. And it seemed as if you were claiming Disney paid RT to confuse us or change the movie scores.
I doubt it is a money hing but rather an ideological thing. They also try to hide everything negative, trying to put up reviews which talk how feminist this movie is etc.
 

Azula

Neo Member
Wonder Woman was for the most part great (it had flaws), because it treated her as a normal person. She had flaws. She was vulnerable. At the same time, she worked with the Men on equal grounds. Hollywood has this obsession, with thinking strong female leads = super strength, no flaws, a lack of emotion/ relationships with other people (particularly with Men). Whereas all the vibes I’ve been getting from Captain Marvel is the opposite.

Now that I’m seeing a lot of the reviews, it seems my fears were warranted. I can’t stress enough, how much diversity is a great thing. But it’s a huge mistake, when you focus solely on that, or make that the sole priority. You need to find the right collaborators, and people that want to make a great film, first and foremost. Then you let diversity inform your story and acting. You let it enhance it.

I just don’t get why these major companies who are supposed to exist to make profit, are using their companies for activism. If you want to change peoples minds, or expose people to things you feel they are lacking, you make a great film, with a story that connects with the audience, where the message is cleverly ingrained. Film can be such a powerful medium. Because people can connect with them. But all of this, just seems so sloppy and disingenuous.

I’m surprised this is still in the 80% range on RT, given how many reviews I’ve seen, that say this film is really flawed. Like even if you ignore the social/political stuff, it seems like a flawed film at is core.
 
Wonder Woman was for the most part great (it had flaws), because it treated her as a normal person. She had flaws. She was vulnerable. At the same time, she worked with the Men on equal grounds. Hollywood has this obsession, with thinking strong female leads = super strength, no flaws, a lack of emotion/ relationships with other people (particularly with Men). Whereas all the vibes I’ve been getting from Captain Marvel is the opposite.

Now that I’m seeing a lot of the reviews, it seems my fears were warranted. I can’t stress enough, how much diversity is a great thing. But it’s a huge mistake, when you focus solely on that, or make that the sole priority. You need to find the right collaborators, and people that want to make a great film, first and foremost. Then you let diversity inform your story and acting. You let it enhance it.

I just don’t get why these major companies who are supposed to exist to make profit, are using their companies for activism. If you want to change peoples minds, or expose people to things you feel they are lacking, you make a great film, with a story that connects with the audience, where the message is cleverly ingrained. Film can be such a powerful medium. Because people can connect with them. But all of this, just seems so sloppy and disingenuous.

I’m surprised this is still in the 80% range on RT, given how many reviews I’ve seen, that say this film is really flawed. Like even if you ignore the social/political stuff, it seems like a flawed film at is core.

That’s one thing that I found almost hard to believe. Wonder Woman seemed to be a great blueprint for how to handle “strong woman” without going “full feminist.”

Like a few days ago I said something like “I don’t think identity politics are the core of the movie” but A.) I was wrong and B.) I didn’t realize the execs themselves said “this is about feminism.” According to Grace Randolph that’s an actual quote. Personally that doesn’t bother me, but combining that with Larson’s comments and I finally understood why the heat surrounding Captain Marvel grew to the lebel it did over the last couple weeks.
 

Azula

Neo Member
That’s one thing that I found almost hard to believe. Wonder Woman seemed to be a great blueprint for how to handle “strong woman” without going “full feminist.”

Like a few days ago I said something like “I don’t think identity politics are the core of the movie” but A.) I was wrong and B.) I didn’t realize the execs themselves said “this is about feminism.” According to Grace Randolph that’s an actual quote. Personally that doesn’t bother me, but combining that with Larson’s comments and I finally understood why the heat surrounding Captain Marvel grew to the lebel it did over the last couple weeks.

Yeah. Being a feminist film itself is not the problem. Altho from what I’ve seen in reviews, its handled really poorly and is clunky here. Again, if you want to have a feminist film, you have to let the story carry it. It should be integrated naturally, where its shown not told by the character’s actions (and role in the greater narrative of the film).

I just have to believe, that in most of these cases, these things are either A) disingenuous or B) Misguided and Rushed.
 
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Javthusiast

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A quote from a reviewer on rotten tomatoes.

''While it may be a Marvel movie, it shares a deeper spiritual DNA with movies like Memento and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, than it does, say, Ant-Man.''

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slugbahr

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A quote from a reviewer on rotten tomatoes.

''While it may be a Marvel movie, it shares a deeper spiritual DNA with movies like Memento and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, than it does, say, Ant-Man.''

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2020 Best Film Oscar winner confirmed.
 

Von Hugh

Member
8/10 as a Marvel movie, 7/10 as a standalone film.

I had slightly below average expectations, almost zero hype aside from just seeing a bit of glimpse of the next Avengers movie, but I was pleasantly surprised.

The start of the film was the worst part of it. I guess I am going against the grain with that opinion.
 
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Trogdor1123

Member
Sounds pretty decent to me. I need to see it before infinity war too. I wonder if this will change the viewing order of the MCU...
 

MilkyJoe

Member
I don’t think an MCU film will ever truly bomb. Expecting a legit bomb was unrealistic, imo

I’m totally accepting that some reviewers are giving it artificially high scores, but I also accept that it also receives unwarranted trash scores from the other side as well. It’s like anything political, in general, the truth is somewhere in the middle

A Star Wars film did...
 

Barnabot

Member
Shit . Now there's a movie happening here in real life where some people are asking the government to step up and protect both Captain Marvel's movie review and Brie Larson speech from ... from what?
 

ruvikx

Banned
I still can't wrap my head around the fact a character who shoots laser beams from her hands (with glowing eyes as well) is now heralded as a major influencer for "womens" of all ages & is (according Disney & their acolytes) a pivotal cultural moment. At this point, I'd probably rather watch Halle Berry's Catwoman.

Remember that? Yep, a female (African-American as well!) superhero movie from 2004. Disney want people to believe they invented "strong womens" (also give them $$$ for the movie ticket, just to be thankful).
 
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pramod

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So it's 4PM Thursday afternoon, and I check online and none of the 6PM or later showings in my local area are sold out.
 
Not being funny but what the fuck are these 'reviews' (shamelessly taken from era).

Marvel has been churning out million-dollar superhero blockbusters for over a decade now. They know how to do them - and you know how to watch them.

Like its tough, smart heroine, "Captain Marvel" dances to its own beat; it's an origin story that isn't structured as an origin story but gets there all the same

It's not only heroes who can have superpowers, movies can have them too, and you can add "Captain Marvel" to the small list of those that do.

Brie Larson [as Captain Marvel] proves all the doubters wrong...while continuing her ascension as a cultural and feminist icon

Absolutely grounds itself in the '90s, even evoking a riot grrrl-adjacent feeling, buoyed by a soundtrack that features almost exclusively rock fronted by female voices - a reminder of an era that showed so much promise for brash, loud women.

A lot of words that don't really say anything at all about the quality of the film. I'm looking forward to Kermode's review, though.
 

Manus

Member
Has a 65 right now on Metacritic. Hell Time Magazine gave it a 40/100.

I can't believe at one point in the film No Doubt’s “I’m Just A Girl” plays during one of the fight scenes. Its like satire.
 
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Stuart360

Member
I think it was Solo that bombed, which is unfortunate because it was a fun film.
I always find it hard to call a film that made over $200mil in the us alone, a 'bomb', but yes in Star Wars terms, it was a bomb.
I actually liked the film a lot, prefered it to The Last Jedi.
 
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